MP vulching scumbags..
 

Just to let everyone know who's getting down low to this kind of dirty playing.

This night on ATAG server, the scumbags were ATAG_Torian and ATAG_Doc, both vulching my sitting plane, the first while warming up for take off, the second after a landing stop.

Both of you scumbags will be on my ignore list from now on.

Um.... wow, that's fairly strong stuff bro. After all, it's just a game for god's sake. If you're getting whacked during takeoff just spawn at another field. Aircraft did get attacked on the ground and while taking off during the war you know. In fact, I think most of us have been chopped on the ground at some point. I certainly have.

Of course, that said, I must put my hand up and confess that I love nothing better than orbiting Hawkeing and attacking Spits just as they go wheels-up. It's just fantastic! OMG...I think I'm developing an erection...

Wow, I can't imagine the horror!!! Those low down.....scalliwags!!!!!!

the last guy caught vulching...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziaowqVsPk4



~S~

well, I know vulching is accepted in ATAG rules, and I know I can just switch to another airfield, eventually further away too, but those practicing it are still scumbags. as simple as that. specially against sitting targets, which are not at least moving in the takeoff or landing process. After the ATAG_Torian did his thing and destroyed my first plane, I've re-spawned in another plane immediately, right next to the old just-destroyed one, hoping the scumbag got his erection from the first destroyed aircraft and the message to stop doing it..

you might mock it, and call it whining, baby cry or whatever you like, it won't minimize the deed, which is still the same, and shows the "quality" of the people practicing it, and their total lack of moral, empathy, compassion or respect.

the same type of human being saying "in war everything's fair" and pressing the trigger shooting at parachutes, dropping phosphor or napalm bombs over cities and villages, beating and raping women or driving their tanks over children.

the lowest scumbags of them all.

+1

Please put me on your ignore list.

with pleasure

War is hell.

When it comes down to it the first rule of war is to inflict the most amount of damage to the enemy with the least amount of risk to yourself.

In his best seller "The Art of War", Sun Tzu clearly states "The musical notes are only five in number but their melodies are so numerous that one cannot hear them all"

Which I have alway taken as meaning "shoot the b&5tards on the ground!"

Or maybe Ts'ao Ts'ao was closer with "Use the most solid to attack the most empty"?

Who knows?

:confused:

Wow Skoshi, I'm surprised at you, suggesting we throw things at the devs like that. Shame on you.

Anyway, vulchers. Annoying after spending 10mins starting your engine, only to have to start all over again at a different field. But a necessary part of the re-enactment of war which we are trying to achieve.

Vulchers. I love 'em. It's the most satisfying of kills when you bring one down......

+1

Love hearing over Teamspeak "Vulchers at Hawkinge (or Manston, Lympne, etc)". Climbout to 6K or 7K and head over for some good fun! :)

Quality of the people doing it? No - It shows the intelligence of the people allowing it to happen. War is hell.

You are trying to compare a fighter / bomber (plane designed to shoot at or bomb enemy targets on the ground or air) to innocent people being raped, people hanging in chutes, tanks driving over civilians? You must really have a screw loose. You're in a plane who's whole purpose is to shoot down the enemy. You weren't a civilian on the ground. You weren't playing daddy in a video game house. You were playing an enemy soldier and were sitting in an enemy plane. Expect to be shot at, bombed, or w/e by the opposition.

Just because you weren't smart enough to pick an airfield away from the front lines doesn't mean you have to come on here and cry about it like a 5 year old. Avoiding being vulched is as simple as a mouse click on a different airfield. I will NEVER understand why people cry about it. If you get vulched blame yourself. It is your fault.

Its not war - its a game.

There is neither enough ack nor standing CAP on your server to make "vulching" what it was during a real war. Not to mention the issues with getting some aircraft warmed up / started in CLoD.

Its your server - do what you want. The few people who actually still bother to fly this game on line do not need to fly there if they don't like it. However, making stupid comparisons to some half arsed cartoon computer game to a "war" makes you look like an absolute joke.

Wotan

this totaly cracked me up!!I laughed my ass off.hehehehe and enjoyed the three stooges slapping each other around too for the headache cure.damn funny and i thank you.

as for the vulching? its all part of the game, get over it twinkle toes.

Lol..what a hilarious thread..

one word...

CAP, stop being xxxxxx lazy and take off somewhere in land

Yeah me too ,as i see it, it is a part of the game. for the most part red takes a worse beating on this issue becouse of long start up times. Maybe you missed the alambash days ??? The most common thing said on TS, cmon guess?? flak on hawk. , The smart ones go else where to take off. Just last night warming up a 109 at manston turning off the lights of many a pilot, big deal! eastchurch it is , let them hunt me down. then after a good long warm up we fly to france looking for any 109s on the ground , taking off landing , we dont care couse the 109s were just at our base for 2 mins of ammo. Thats a lot of vulching we have 13 seconds to make our point. Now while you are vulching or vice versa the flak guns are getting closer so its time go. But i to must raise my hand I have vulched an i must say DIE YOU HUN DIE!

Well, JT, you may vulch a little on occasion, but I have it on good authority that you spend most of your time running children over with TANKS!!!!!!

In the end it is all down to the way people want to play this game.

Some people prefer to play the game in the "enjoyable" way, having fun in a WW2 environment, because they like it that way (Su 26 is so cool :grin: ), and some other people prefer to play it "historical", "like it was back then", because they enjoy it like this (wtf, SU26 :confused:).

It could be resolved if more servers can emerge. But that will only be achieved if more people are here to populate them.

Yelling over each other won't make a good impression for these newcomers.

Hope you've all catched my drift here :eek:

Errr ... I'm led to believe there's some "raping" that goes on somewhere on the ATAG server, but I can't find the place where you sign-up. If anyone knows anything.......

LMAO SHHH Nobody else has a working tank . now everyone will want 1 ;) And 1 other thing scumbags is such a harsh word .We the allied call it BASE RAPING . much nicer :grin:

Wow, thats hard man. Imagine being on the ignore list of an internet loony.:shock:

It is a full real server...I get my arse handed to me everytime I go in there...but I continue...because it is full real and immersive...but I don't complain...cuz I just suk ....DF skills? I have none..

practice somewhere else is the answer to your problem

My three cents:
- It is ATAG server, so it is ATAG rules.
- I like vulching, but do not enjoy it.
- I enjoy the risk of getting vulched.

Hmmmm,
Wasn't it Einstein that said something like: "Doing the same thing over again and expecting different results is a definition of insanity."

Don't respawn in the same place right away.

I think this partially applies to anyone who plays CloD after new patch updates :P

Geeze:
Torian and Doc - welcome to the exclusive club of scumbags. Must be about 100 strong now I would imagine - both red and blue. Getting a bit crowded though.

Welcome anyway - please leave your scruples at the door and have a pint on me. :grin:

Good one Wolverine.
From one madman to another.

He ran over my toe once! But that's another story.

Nearly PMPL hehe. Now I have a new image to think of when I hear people complain about vulchers, grassy-ass.

I remember the people in IL2 that complained about vulching aswell.. No vulching allowed would be the same as having trees you can fly through without being damaged.. It just wouldn't "feel" real. It's nice to be under attack. Gives you that feeling of urgency, panic, all the good feelings in life :).

I could have vulched about 10 people last night but I didn't, its very annoying when it happens to you but it is part of the game Adonys :D

I know COD is actually a game, but could you imagine the reaction to the debriefing reports?

"Over enemy airbase, No efective air defences in place. During the sortie I observed aproximately 10 E/A aircaft starting up or preparing to take off, although I had ammunition remaining I refrained from attacking the enemy to give the E/A's a sporting chance."

I think that in Real Life(tm) the pilots superiors would have taken a dim view of that account! :)

Cheers!

+1 !

I like the "vulch only with bombs or rockets" rule (very often used in Il2 46 servers), as in WW2 airbases were often well protected by flak and you could only survive one pass (or not, german 20mm used to scare the sheer out of english ground attack pilots).


Can't the abundance of flak be mimicked with a trigger enabled randomly after a certain amount of time in an area, like a 80mm shell explodes right near your plane if you circle too long around given coordinates?

Thing is with the FLAK of any kind is that it cant be made to hold fire until a certain distance like old IL2. Nor can you change the skill of the gunners. The smallest gun the Brits have is a 40mm Bofors that fires upto 3.5 KM's. The smallest the Germans have is a 20mm...

We need some AA machine guns and to be able to change the accuracy and distance that the guns fire at.

If you dont like getting vulched take off from a rear airbase...

Vulchers
 

What we need to end the vulching problem is both side have controlable flax: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QArJn...feature=relmfu
After a few long sorties I love to unwind with a bottle of scotch and a little skeet shooting :grin:

I agree, but I really didn't want someone giving me an earful...

Sod it next time I will mow them down like sheep :twisted:

One was a spit at manston in a hanger I flew right through it, would have loved to see his reaction :lol:

The amazing thing is ATAG asks for donations so you can get vulched while warming up your engine so they can boost their stats. Sums up pretty well why they are against a proper co-op gui....it would take away from their skill-less vulch sessions where they high five when they exclaim" Wooohooo....vulched another noob!!"..." Nice job Maverick!...Thanks Goose!" lol

That is so much bollocks, it doesn't even warrant the dignity of a response. Pillock.

You can't be flippin' serious! :(

I honestly think this would be hilarious, can you imagine how good it would feel to shoot down someone if you were running the AAA. The chat alone would be priceless.

JD
AKA_MattE

Just like saying "Vulching is realistic and part of BOB" You guys are kidding yourself. Show me some stats that show planes had to take off inland because there were enemy planes circling the coastal airfields for 80% of the war. Whatever....if thats what you guys like...it's your server. For those pilots that want a little more realism and think dogfights should take place with planes in the air...look for a server elsewhere.

Its really a solution rather than a cure. Front line airbases are dangerous places. Also not all combat flights resulted in action... - So thats not correct in multplayer either.

https://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sa=X...w=1760&bih=790

From here:
http://www.field-recording.org.uk/ba...raf-manston-2/

Although I get your point. Seems players do bee line to them. You can lead the community to a briefing but you cant make them follow it! ;) So naturally where are enemy fighters going to be? - at airfields...

Just from my own opinion: I think allot of it stems from the poor red FM's were allot of red pilots have decided hugging their AA is a great idea, therefore bringing the fight closer to home and lower but you can't blame them. The blue pilots main ride is the 109 which we all know favours the boom and zoom tactics which favours flying at altitude... Its just cause and effect and it all starts with the mission making and then the players which work out the stratergies..

People seem to seek instant action over Hawkinge, Lympne and Manston but the best fights Ive ever had have been over Deal.

Krupi lmao that was 71st guys all around airfield an in hangers ,we were saying how well you flew , some shut engines off an didnt move ,hoping to blend in to the field ! the guy in the hanger was amazed , but with us you might a got a lol war is hell salute ! baaaa baaaaa

+1

Look up your history old chum. In the Battle, squadrons were scrambled according to the information disseminated via the RDF stations to Fighter Command, to sector stations, to airfields, to squadrons.

We don't have such a comprehensive command and control system in the game, but we do have 'Arthur' telling us periodically how many aircraft are heading in which direction, in which grid reference and at what height. If you can't be arsed listening, and working out the fact that Alambash is heading for Manston/Hawkinge, then expect some lead up your bum.

This is true, public multiplayer is always going to be a "mad house" they only time its not going to be like that (mostly :-P ) is if your in passworded servers flying against other like minded people... Or unless the server likes to bann people. - but with less than 100 in MP everynight your not going to bann many people before your playing on your own.

Maybe a "commander mode" would be a good feature to add to implement this?

+1

TBH I never used the flak at my coastal airfields only because I had thought it too ineffective to save my goose from a pursuing 109! LOL. It was a post you made awhile back commenting on defensive flak around RAF airfields that had me look a little closer at the server messages on a Custom Window ingame. For almost every kill (bombers at high alt, LW fighters at low alt) -- I was ALWAYS sharing it with "Bofors, bofors, bofors" and getting credit for part of a kill. It was an "aha!" moment! ;)

re Red FM's: much improved for 100 octane Spits in this beta 1.09. Much less prone to overheat if careful (but still very possible!), I believe that at low-to-mid altitudes they are a fair match for the 109's in terms of performance. Sea level speeds seem very close. I'm finding co-energy 109's still have a climb advantage, but Spits are no longer floundering around below. I still think 109's have too vicious an accelerated stall and spin at high speed, but I believe I'm alone in thinking that. Just as well....it's saved my bacon a few times over the weekend! :P

All to say, I believe with this latest RC 1.09 patch that encounters between opposing Spits and 109's have become much more interesting for both parties. Airfield suppression tactics (vulching) especially will be wild -- aggressive Jabo raids will be increasingly met with fierce interceptions. Fun times for all! :grin:

And Maidstone may be bumpy, but it's ever such a peaceful and quiet airfield...

By the time you get over Manston/Hawkinge, you're at >15,000ft. Then you get the call.....'Low flak over Manston' (of course they should say 'ack-ack', I mean we're not Germans after all, but 'flak' seems to be 'de riguer' in these latter days), or 'Vulcher (vulture?) over Littlestone!'....But you've by now got so much height, you can scream down on them like a screaming diving thing, with a pot of kinetic and potential energy so huge you'd think your name was the name of a big bloke.

Unfortunately, you may be going so fast, you collide with your adversary, or conversely shoot down a Blenheim coz it looks so much like an '88.

But I bet both those things happened in real life too. ;)

ATAG_Dutch wrote:

".......or conversely shoot down a Blenheim coz it looks so much like an '88."

Hey, it looked like it was making a low level run against our ships!!! That's my story and I'm sticking to it! (Apologies once again to Epoch. Who would think I would actually HIT something on my first pass for once???? :( )

I'm rewriting my parachute & cable airfield defence script as we speak :)

Now there you go you see? Ego. It never in my wildest dreams entered my head that you actually did this the other night mate.

Evidently the event has left some form of permanent psychological scar. I apologise for having mentioned it. It is obviously a painful memory. I seriously was not referring to your totally abhorrant behaviour at all. Much. ;)

Lol :D unfortunately I have returned to my strafing ways as slipstream will tell you, I will still do some acrobatics while I'm mowing you down :P

Or even worse call Dungeness "English point" and Cap Gris Nez "French point" wtf? :rolleyes:

Trouble is Bliss you have the wrong squadron tags at the wrong airfields on your map and most aren't in use. This means that in order to fly from inland I would be forced to wear another squadrons' aircraft ID - this is like pulling on the shirt of a rival football team - it just ain't pleasant. So, I go from the hot places, but tbh I very rarely get vulched, maybe it's luck but I prefer to think that they are scared ;)

Hot off the press!

Yes this is Adonys and you can even hear his screams.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE7KqeLqPH0

"ATAG VULCH CAM" ????? Hilarious!! :P

I know mate, I know. Drives me potty too. :D

You see someone posting regularly in this forum, so you think they at least have some idea of the simulation and the concept of "full realism".

They join the well known "full realism" ATAG community server, get vulched by one of the members and spend half an hour crying about it.

Then, they come onto the developers forum and create a post to cry some more, and gain some attention.

And the most hilarious part:
Doc was recording the whole damn thing! Talk about adding salt to the wounds, damn! thats just about the whole bag! lmaooo!

Curse those ATAG members! They are the closest thing to the Hells Angels of the virtual skies. :grin:

ATAG_Slipstream.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIHF4rVTK4E

:grin:

So...just to clarify. In the "real BOB", RAF pilots at a coastal airfield had to be driven by car a few hours inland so they could take off because there were German planes circling the coastal airfields throughout the entire BOB conflict? Wow...you learn something new everyday. It's amusing how they hide behind "full realism" and try to play it off that's how it really was to justify their douchebaggery...priceless!

He isn't hiding behind full realism. It really did happen! At least to that guy. LOL

:grin: I would like to say i think us americans bring a certain ( need to go look up a word spelling) back, ambiance yeah thats the word , look what else we gave you RAMSGATE -MANSTON New name MANSGATE much more manly ! the nob ! We just giggle when we say it (sorry) an english point i mean cmon it a point that sticks out there . So english point ! Same goes for French point , it's pointy So french point ;) I know its your country but we are americans , what ya want lol LOVE IT when you guys are on comms calling out all those places , thinking where the hell are they talking about , is that even on the map? and i still dont know where beechy head is ? but it sounds dirty ! dont take to serious love ya all i'm renaming your country 1 town at a time !

And then.....there's "Lymponey". :)

That's only for rookies Snapper.

LMAO!!!!:grin:

Hey, all my life I thought Lympne was pronounced "Limp-Knee". Teamspeak is a wonderful thing; those who know quickly corrected us Colonials that it's actually pronounced "Limm". Nothing like having a silent "p" -- more so if you're sneaking in late from a boisterous night in the pub.

How did I know this thread was going to turn into an ATAG member joke fest, rampant with mocking any non-member's concerns with immaturity and self-righteousness?

This forum is a joke due to ATAG's non-constructive garbage. Help the OP out with some actual tips and consideration, or at least some decent PR damage control, instead of jerkin' each other off in their threads.

ATAG, you own the most popular server, a members of your player base are concerned about gameplay, acquiesce them...keep this up and you'll find yourselves very lonely in your server.

This is all I would expect from the ATAG guys. The sad thing is that they try to pass this "air-quake/vulching" style of play as realistic aerial combat to justify it. I imagine if a real WW2 pilot joined their server, he would just shake his head and laugh.

I would have to agree because I damn sure do! It's a blast!

I'm trying to help the man out. The best advise I can give to anyone is to have a sense of humor. Stop taking things so seriously and personal. Lighten up, relax, loosen your grip on your stick and smile. This is the most important piece of advise I can give you. Have fun!

Just wait 'til you see what happens when you try and cite their bias on the matter of Blue anti-air emplacements efficacy vs Red anti-air emplacements efficacy.

The hardcore ATAG members have miscarriages.

I have been around ATAG for a year and have well over a thousand hours wearing these letters online so that might make me one of them. Want to know my thoughts?

I don't care where the flak is placed. You still getting bombed by me. Get it?

ATAG bombers keep coming. Night and day. You can't do anything about it. Sorry but the blue machine is just that. A machine.

why would someone think they are better then the rules posted ... e'nuff said

Well said.

Best solution to flak is bomb it first then bomb the target. The Texas 2 step.

How can you actually police vulching to set paremeters? - this is the real question!

There is always a way. You can do anything with this.

What parameters do you want to set?

No excessive vulching but which doesnt effect game play excessively or punish people who are not vulching but stray near airfields in say a fight... It cant be done.

One can set the "parameter" with AA not to forbid it, but discourage it, or make it a risky choice.

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Originally Posted by ATAG_Dutch
.....'Low flak over Manston' (of course they should say 'ack-ack', I mean we're not Germans after all, but 'flak' seems to be 'de riguer' in these latter days), or 'Vulcher (vulture?) over Littlestone!'....

Perhaps an arcane point but just for the record the two ex-RAF WW 2 aircrew that I knew (both dead now unfortunately) ALWAYS talked about FLAK and never about Ack Ack. As far as I could tell it was very much adopted jargon in operational squadrons of the RAF, essentially because a)they were on the receiving end of it and b)that's what the Germans called it. The stuff put up over RAF airfields would be more correctly described as Ack Ack, however again, the impression I gleaned from my conversations with these guys is that this would also be loosely described as FLAK and to call it anything else would immediately cast doubt on your credentials as "operational aircrew". Too much talk about Ack Ack and you may fall under suspicion as some 'back area base-wallah' up for a look. Of course, as with most things, there are no hard and fast rules about such things.

Problem is that it's all been said before. And it really isn't complicated: Get vulched at Hawkinge? Take off inland, come into Hawkinge hot at 6k and hope he's still there. Because if he is, he's basically about to get vulched.

And a bump for the funniest thread of the week...

Aww - Mr butthurt decided to show up. Just a tip since you still can't read and comprehend. When someone starts a thread calling members of our team scumbags, gonna go out on a limb and say they don't even deserve any help at all. If you dish it out you better be able receive it right back.

As far as the flak/ack ack, as said about 100 times just to you it is virtually identical on both sides, even consisting of the same types/groupings for both red and blue. The last thing it is is biased. It can't be. It's the same for both sides. Anyone that records a track could easily see it.

As far as historical, I'm sorry, but you must not know anything about the game to even think that's possible ATM. We don't even have the airfield the majority of the heavy blue bombers took off from even in the game. We are here to have fun, plain and simple. I'm sorry our squad doesn't have a military ranking system or wear the uniform while we play. No one is stopping anyone from playing wherever they want. But if you really expect anyone to take a thread or the OP seriously when he just called people a bunch of names and cry. I'm assuming you guys would get along great!

@force - you are the epitome of a sad individual. The only thing you do in forums is try to bring others down to make yourself feel better about your obvious sad existence on the planet. You have never done one thing for this community at all. I feel sorry for you and do hope you get some help.

Typical response from someone that has nothing valid to say. It's amazing how you are still upset from the last time the community made fun of how much of an idiot your posts were. I'd suggest trying to learn from it. Your smearing will do nothing other than make you look like a bigger fool than you already are.

Meh...4/10, Bliss. I know you've got more than that.