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Hmmm...not sure.

www.bobgamehub.blogspot.com

Oh.

Well.

Now if 777 would just revive that Flying Tigers idea on their RoF engine...

the death of 'classic IL2' COOP onlineplay?
Not to speak about singleplayercampaign play? We will see .........

...will the last person to leave the office please turn the lights off, were done, toast.

isn't that the same website where the last hoax claim was made?

Lets hope so Bongo, but it does make sense from what Luither hinted at with the "milestone" comment.
No way on earth they will compete with WOP, and micro payments for a flightsim? no thanks.

i suspect its a fake

didnt luthier just confirm the opposite ? he said BoM was confirmed as a sequel to be merged with CoD, doesnt sound at all like he was indicating some great new different concept project instead (the MMO)

since that BoB blog site doesnt have much "news", and was majorly wrong once before, i suspect this is a deliberate hoax

Yes it is:
http://bobgamehub.blogspot.co.uk/201...talingrad.html

I guess we'll see quick enough. If it's true there will be silence here. If its wrong b6 will say so. And eventually we'll find out the facts when the infamous 'announcement' finally is come out.

since when has silence here ever been a confirmation of anything, since release there has been over exaggerated and wild speculations thrown around and they don't necessarily rush in to quash them.

b6 came very quick to say Battle of Stalingrad story was fake.

Lets wait for Luthier's Q&A that should answer a few questions, he will back online last Friday night.

lol! I guess he doesn't realize his credibility takes a hit when he says he will do something....and doesn't show or take 60 seconds out of his day to say why he won't make good on it.

Hello Tree.....youre like a dog with a new chew toy with that one, we get it now....Luthier let you down again.

He may have just been passing, B6 doesn't seem to have a regular schedule here.

anyway, just reading the opening lines 'I got a PM yesterday from a person I now consider to have inside knowledge of the project' is enough to reassure me it's fake.

Like i say Bongo, i hope your right on this one.

Force10 said:

Yes, though I guess the pain lessens when there's no foot left to shoot, and no leg left to stand on.

The sad thing is it is interchangeable...whether it is the game itself...the release schedule...the patch schedule...the lines of communication...the Readme for a beta patch...or answering questions...big or small...doesn't matter....there is no distinction....each as carefully plotted a fiasco as it is humanly possible to see.

Not just a car-crash....one of those cars-down-ramps-with-crash-test-dummies-into-a-wall filmed at several thousand frames a second.....the abstractions of collision and recoil. The weird beauty in the thing.

I'm calling hooey on this one too.

From the website whose only track record was printing the last fake, which incidentally was MUCH more believable than this - "I got a PM yesterday from a person I now consider to have inside knowledge of the project". Yeah, right. :rolleyes: Did he provide your last scoop as well?

Maybe it's a cunning piece of psychological propaganda designed to make Luthier hurry up with those damned answers?!

On the other hand I've been wrong before ;)

Would not surprise me if it is real. Wont put it past CLoD.

Makes more sense from a business standpoint. Look at all the PC games now that are MMO style. Seriously, take a quick glance at Steam.

It seems the IL2 series is suffering a slow death either way it goes.

Whether it is fake or not doesn't really matter (it probably is)...it's the fact it could be true, given the lack of clear information and time-lines.

Nothing can be ruled-out where this dev house is concerned, and equally, not much can be ruled-in.

It just illustrates the general air of befuddlement.

Where's another one of Luthier's 'omnirambles' when you need one? :)

Of the top 30 best selling games on steam, 0 are MMOs.

Edit: What I mean is there is a huge customer base for people to buy non-MMO games. A lot of people who play free to play don't pay either. With 2 ww2 sims already out, it makes more sense to buck the trend and cater to those who will also play single player by keeping to the tested format.

Plus WOP and War Thunder will have a years head start on BOwhat-ever.

proof of fake :
:lol:

I hear you....but what decision lately makes you think these guys "make sense and cater to those who will also play single player"?

The great offline campaign? The great missions? The awesome Quick Mission Builder? See what I mean?

From the OP link:

"The game will enter alpha development in 2013 as long as it can pass a 'proof of concept' milestone before the end of the year"

Let's hope it fails then!

Yeah - the netcode 'import it from another game' magic fix seems like laughable BS.

'Royal Quest' - should be a cinch to port the code over for a flightsim then.

Does this mean that single players are left out in the cold ?

If its not a fake of course.

No mate, Luthier has let himself down.

Boy I don't know guys, I first heard of this this morning, could very well be a hoax. It's best to wait for some type of official announcement... Read this the announcement by the blogger third post up from the bottom

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph...647771/13.html

I don't know if IL-2 MMO will be reality, but it is 2012, not 2005... mostly MMO are changed to free-to-play (pay-to-win) model becouse the monthly fee is not more attractive for players (some time ago there was a good article in gamespot relative to the new buissness model for mmo), a solution that (IMHO) is not good for simulator.

As part of the semi-fanboy crew here I would normally say something in defense of Luthier here, but I won't ;-)

/mazex

There is absolutely nothing that is new. Everything in that article can be composed/writen by everyone who read luthiers last post.

For me it doesn´t change anything: We have to wait for the announcement...

This is that same guy. You are a total loser. I'm going to make a series of blogs and write random made-up crap and post links in il-2 forums because I can't get laid.

It's great the way people would rather die before believing anything Luthier and co would say but will swallow any old crap from random bloggers as long as it's suggesting the worst about COD.

Actually, he probably knows the answers.

actually, he claims on simhq that he recieved this informations from a contact and that he isn´t sure himself if he isn´t being fooled again.

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph...647771/13.html

(third post from bottom)

But if it is true what he writes it is a fake. Never in the world would any1 from 1C have an interest to get rid of the first fake-article and replace it with new and true facts.

I was thinking exactly the same thing :grin:

I actually like this idea of MMO as long as long as we keep high standards on the FM...

Sound the troll alert! Good catch.

Given Luthier's track record for being open and honest about this title...I would say they are on equal footing.

So that blog made a mistake, took it down, and explained it was a mistake.

Whats Luthiers track record? Much worse than that lol.

But that blog 'didn't ' take it down, all it did was make some weird headline mentioning it was a hoax, but it seems the desire to have the words plastered on the net override the decency to remove an obvious lie, this blog is as far as I'm concerned going to be the source for many other fake claims, youre welcome to it.

Did Luthier remove his "Ill be back later" part of the post? What about the other updates in the past from the dev team? Is weather removed from the CLoD box?

I mean, since you are comparing the 2, it seems both dont know how be truthful. The only difference is, one is a reference, the other came directly from the source....

have you ever said you would do something but never got around to it?

Not when money has changed hands and I hope to get more money from said party in the future.

Not once to my paying clients...not once.

Then again, I care about how I feed my family, and the roof over my head.

Did anyone here pay Luthier to come back and answer questions?......I mean other than the perceived entitlement to owning Luthier because you bought a game.

You're not a "paying client". You "paid". You got a game in return. You didn't buy a slave.

This is indeed the same website that brought you the last hoax.

Note also, no sources are given and no names are given as having said anything... - a little strange?

Its total fabrication. I you guys so desperate for news you will believe some "blog spot" over 1c and sukhoi.ru.............. Come on guys.

The guy who runs that site knows its total BS - he is just trolling for hits to his web page.

Stop being complete idiots and getting worked up over this stupid stuff.

Wotan

Nope. But there will come a point when Luthier is going to want money from us for a future product. Based on his past support and communication with the community, and basically not doing what he's said he's going to do, many will pass. I would think this basic business concept is common knowledge, but sadly, defenders of the faith refuse to see it and will most likely be the only ones buying future efforts. This is where blind devotion can kill a franchise.

I don't know if the guy the blogger has been talking to is a fake or not, but I have no doubt the development has looked into building an MMO. That doesn't necessarily mean they will stop building a series of theaters for online/offline use. They'll want as many revenue streams as possible for the new game engine. That said they'll way the pros and cons of a number of business model scenarios, and make a decision once they sure what the game engine is best suited for when relatively completed. If the game engine eventually turns out to be as future proofed as they were trying to make it, then its quite possible there will be a number possible uses.

Anyway we may have a better idea what going on by Friday if there is an update.

I laugh at this blind devotion concept, most people will do their due diligence this time before buying the Sequel, some will still support the development anyway as they are the only developer willing to spend the time and money on more complex sims. The relatively small group still willing to support the developer won't be enough to save the developer if the Sequel hasn't made substantial improvements.

Well here's a thought, how about you punish Luthier by not buying the sequel in order to get your sense of vengeance and you can leave the rest of us to languish in whatever consequences come about from buying it, though I'm at a loss to see where a boycott on buying future releases is going to save a franchise.

Here's an even better idea. Communicate to Luthier that leaving your customers hangin' is not a good thing. People that keep turning the other cheek will not improve things, especially encouraging people to not buy his products if they don't like the way he doesn't follow through.

May I offer bongo's above post as proof of a devotee encouraging people that are unhappy with Luthiers communication (we are talking about a lot of people here) not to buy his products instead of actually trying to improve the situation?

People have over-reacted to Luthiers post's and nonposts forever. When he has information he can pass along I'm sure he will. As far as I'm concerned he apologized for the beta release and he's doing his best to fix it. What they'll fix and what direction the development will end up taking is anyones guess. Whatever it is , joining witch hunts accomplishes nothing. If Luthier fixes the game engine and continues the series people WILL buy it, if he doesn't they won't, simple as that. If game engine deficiencies and/or a business model change moves them in the direction of MMO's only, then its anyones guess what will happen. In a perfect world I'd like to see them continue with online/offline theaters aswell as MMO's to help the bottom line.

Don't buy it. That seems pretty simple.

He's obviously not going to improve the communication. That leaves you with 2 options. Learn to live with it, or go away.

Maybe you should be more specific here. Nothing compares to DCS in complex combat sims. Moreover one that actually works.

You are right though, people wont buy if the sequel isnt up to snuff. I really hope it is, but honestly, I know deep down it will be a mess. Sadly.

You think that would change a thing? http://usc.mawesoft.com/images/smiley/rofl.gif In case you hadn't noticed: Luthier doesn't like PR and communication one bit. He never did, not even way back when Il-2 1.0 had just been released and he was project leader of the Il-2 3rd party modeller's website.
Not that I think that he has much maneuvering room in this matter at all. I think part of the issue are the NDA rules 1C has which keep BlackSix from posting real development news.

In the end it doesn't matter. If the sequel, whatever it may contain, isn't up to specs I don't think Maddox Games will survive. 1C will simply close up shop and put a new team on more profitable projects (such as the umpteenth shooter or some MMO).