A Question for my fellow COD lovers
 

Okay again the usual spill....this isnt here to start a flame war yada yada so DONT..

OK..Im confused, Weve just been giving this BETA, now this so called BETA was supposed to be the magic patch was it not or am i missing something here? from what i have seen and read, this patch addressed nearly all issues hence why weve waited so dam long for it and listened to countless updates saying this is fixed, that is fixed but a couple of lil issues have stopped us releasing it..

the whole ''Weve think youve waited long enough'' sums it up...''Yes its here, finally'' we all thought

My first doubt was when i read something on the lines of 'FM not finished, loads more to do etc etc'' < What? Agiain might be me but were we not lead to believe that the FM's were pretty much complete, that statement does not back up that notion..

This patch has introduced loads of bugs again, more than the last patch but has gave us tracers a tweaked FM and for a lot of us a smoother game but that is it...CTD,LOD,TREES,HURRI etc etc etc ..See Bliss's report which pretty much sums it up...WHY did we WAIT so long for this patch people? this should of been another BETA a few weeks later or if it was to be longer dont try and sell it as 'the patch'

I dont understand why we keep getting these BETA's that are messing up things, reintroducing things while fixing 1 thing (exaggeration but you get my point)

They have presently 3d modelers etc working on a sequel..a lot of people can model Aircraft in that industry i would of thought...and im sure they are getting paid for their work?....SO why arnt they using that same money to employ more people to work on the basics and getting this game to work....I Map online with SP broke for the most part CTD's FPS issues FM issues etc etc isnt working, whatever planet you live on..you cant keep hiding behind the whole, ''what part of BETA dont you understand'' that is getting very old now and it looks like were keep getting these BETAS that are hyped up at first as 'the one' for a long time yet

The bug count from what I can see is as high as it was 12 months ago?

Are we going to be sold the sequel which by the way i would buy even if it came out tomoz cuz im sad like that and im guessing there are quite a few more like me flying this sim to bring in another influx of money so they can carry on 'fixing' this game while were enjoying some more aircraft and another map?

I can play this game on HIGH settings with CTD's and FPS hits, so what i can live with that...I dont play it much cuz im bored of doing the same old maps with the same old things going on and with no wingmen/squadmates so im on the fence here but i keep thinking about the above and am confused with the whole situation right now

Not trying to start a flame war either but since you write it in capital letters - maybe the thing you were missing is this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softwar...ife_cycle#Beta

Looking up what beta means, if you don't know about it, could've saved you all that time to write your long post. :cool:


And just on a sidenote because I assume you will have difficulies accepting this. Even Blizzard, a company making billions of PROFIT, probably 1 million times more than maddox games, is testing their patches AND is working with reduced staff on patching WHILE working on sequels.

Even if 1000 people on this forum would've bought CloD for full price, that'd be like 50k of whatever currency. But not everyone did. Many bought it for 20. Now, that means a profit margin for MG of like 5-30 dollars per copy and that's like 15000 dollars in total. That's one workstation with licensed software!
Stop kidding yourselves. They are working with almost nothing. Even CRC screens last time I saw studio pictures. If you can do better - how about you fund a project yourself? Go to kickstarter and assemble a group of programmers, artists etc. and make a better game? :p I'm sure a "lot" of people will buy it. :)

Well, that didn't take long:

'''Looking up what beta means, if you don't know about it, could've saved you all that time to write your long post'''

You've missed the point so I wont waste my time reading what you have pasted...judging by your last post you just made and your attitude (not that its bad) and the fact your away for months etc etc i can see why you replied the way you did...

Oh and CAPS does not warrant or is a way to introduce a flame war..fyi

We can't find a free programmers with knowledge of aviation in the Russian labor market. This is a very big problem.
Also, we lost a lot of employees from the old team.

Hi BS,

My point is that you are paying these people to model AC for the new sequel and from the limited amount of knowledge i have takes a long time and im guessing money..

Forgive the direct approach and you may have a simple answer but why is this money not being used to help fix the current problems first?

Or am i missing something here? This patch was supposed to be 'the fix' for the most part...Was this your intention? and did you intend to release this patch, isolate what you knew mat be problems and 'Hotfix' them (I doubt this scenario but il ask anyway)

All our programmers are working with the CloD now. We can't make more in current situation.

From my understanding this patch is purely to test the Dx9 features they added/fixed and it happens to have some other stuff that they tweaked or introduced while working on the Dx9 part.

It's the community who hypes these patches to hell and then acts all annoyed when they don't get what was expected, NOT promised except for a few rare instances.

Don't use beta, wait official patch. It's all that I can say.

Hey B6, here's a couple of questions for you. How many more beta patches do you think there will be before the final retail patch? Also, will the retail patch be the last patch for CloD? because at this pace it seems as if BoM will be finished by the time the retail patch is done.

P.S What happened to the special announcement of BoM that was supposed to be in June?

Ze-Jams, seriously, you talk about a BETA patching and expecting it to be final. That's just not logical in any way and won't happen anywere. And no one said it was the final patch that solves everything. No one.

You also don't understand that they simply do not have the rescources. Interestingly blacksix already posted on it. But yeah, if you don't put money on the table - how do you expect them to work more on it? Do YOU work for free? I don't.

The focus HAS to be the sequel since CloD isn't selling anymore. If they don't get the sequel out they're done for. What's so tough to understand about this?

With the sales from the people bickering on this forum here they could maybe afford 2 workstations or so. They just can't keep the project afloat.


What you're expecting is not gonna happen. Not with their limited pool of rescources. If people can't see and accept that - why ask unnecessary questions? Just move on and forget that the game ever existed.

I can agree on that.
It looks like we are witnessing the normal process of a Software-Development, with its milestones and drawbacks.

I think you misunderstood me, I'm very happy to beta test and report bugs. :)
But others seem to read updates and expect everything will be fixed at once ("magic patch") ...so when the beta doesn't do what they dreamed about they get rather annoyed.

Keep on chipping away at CLOD for as long as 1C gives you time, it's all you can do.

Nobody know it now. It depends on programmers.

We are waiting announcement of sequel as you. IT depends on the leadership of 1C.

I'm more viewing this one as a sort of interim/loyalty patch. After last week's "done when its done" Friday update debacle, it's intended as a bone for the masses to chew on while the real one is still in the works. I wouldn't expect that one for a good long while yet.

Ok, so Maddox Games are ready to announce the sequel and some information about it but 1c has not decided when to do it? am I right? Thanks a lot for taking the time to answer our questions.:)

Yes, you are right.

"A bone for the masses" is rough and wrong expression.
I finished communication in this thread.

Firstly calm yourself down...Im not expecting anything, im confused and hence why im asking questions..Im sorry if its not as obvious to me as it is to you or if it is then maybe im trying to get a few more answers..if you dont like what im asking, move along

Ok so in a nutshell..

CoD is finsihed as they dont have the resources...the focus is now on the Sequel before they run out of money..

These patches are being released to build up this big data base of bugs and known problems

So..

When the sequel is released which in turn will bring in more (we hope) money that money will be used to fix the 'known' problems with an array of Beta patches like we have now

Am i on the right track here?

I would say you are on a sidetrack. ;)

As BlackSix said on the previous page, all of their programmers are working on CLOD...this doesn't mean the whole team, it means all the people who write code.
The rest; that is mapdesigners, modeldesigners, scenario/missionmakers, ... ; are focussed on the sequel. So we won't see new maps for CLOD, nor will we see new cockpits or planes or new ships etc.

These beta patches are being released to incrementally find and fix bugs till MG decide the code is ready for a Steam patch. After that none of us know what will happen.
There might be a new round of beta patches, providing they get time and funds from 1C..if not it will stay with one final, official patch.
Maybe 1C decides it's a lost cause and scraps the whole team..hopefully they keep investing and we see a sequel (MMO or other).

Why would you think these beta patches are purely for the sequel when BlackSix states "Don't use beta, wait official patch." in this very thread?
Yes the fixes we get now will benefit the sequel, as it uses the same engine and code... but these fixes WILL end up in an official Steam patch for CLOD too.

edit : That is right up to the point where the whole team switches to "the sequel", and they code new features and so forth for it..those won't end up in CLOD.
Unless the sequel can be merged.. then if you buy that, the new features will be in your merged install aswel and thus usable with the CLOD map.
Some doubt on my part here as they always said it would work like the old IL2 with merged installs.
But the recent rumours of a MMO might mean there won't be any merging, just a new game with the CLOD assets + russian front stuff all in one
...we'll find out if and when said sequel is announced or a while after as it's setup becomes clearer

Adding to what warhound just said and what I believe sounds plausible: honestly, I don't know. :-)

The reason is simple. The old IL2 sprung a few projects which licensed their engine.
We also got some hints towards some sort of massively online game that also involves ground.

I can't tell you if they purely focus on the new sequel or simply on the engine overall. As we heard the coder part is working on CloD which suggests that they are trying to make the engine part run well.

It's still possible that "CloD" will work like IL-2, meaning you get updates but need the sequels. But I can't say for sure.


What I can say for sure is that they need sales. Either the sequel or licensing the engine.



Sorry that the term Beta wasn't that known to you. Maybe it's just so natural to me since I am a bit involved with gaming since a long time. And frankly, I've seen much worse games than CloD which sold A LOT better. :-P

I'll have to partially agree with this:

even if i would phrase it in a bit less "pointy" manner, simply because a lot of people expect beta to be gameplay material.

In reality, alpha/beta means "you can test it if you want to and help me find what's wrong with it, but don't expect it to be flawless and final material".

A lot of people however will download the patch thinking it is finalised gameplay material and then they will of course be disappointed because it's not. By definition.

So, to answer the original poster's question. This patch is not meant to be the fix-all patch. It's just one step in the testing process of the fix-all patch. Cheers ;)

Errrm I paid $100AUS...

I paid 133 AUS (108€), for 2 copies though :P But we're not the average buyer.
Many bought the game much cheaper. A few pre-orderered the CE etc., yes, but certainly not enough to keep this project afloat and healthy for this long. I've seen the game being sold for 16$ on sale...

In fact I still need a 3rd copy so I can let it run on my ded server. :cool:

yes ...how long??? come on...there are limits!

I'm with Ze-Jamz on this one...

Yes beta implies that it is not a finished product. Yes many get their knickers in a twist over patch release dates & content.

But the bottom line is in over 12 months very little has been achieved to improve the many bugs & associated issues. Yes the game has been made better for some in regards of fps, personally not an issue for me, but the many many bugs just keep building.

It was certainly implied that we were waiting for a patch that would fix many things and would not be released until it was ready... this has not happened. Clearly there is one man and his dog working on CloD.

The worst thing is the developers have stopped communicating in any meaningful way with this community. Blacksix seems to have his hands tied of knows nothing....no disrespect to BS, what we need is communication from a developer who knows what is going on.

Exactally!

Hence the name BETA!

What is so hard about this?

As in if you don't want to be part of the solution than wait for the final release!

Yes ACE, dont use the BETA with the CTD and bugs, use the last official patch that no servers use with the CTD and bugs....great advice.

I think it's the time it is taken to fix things that never seem to get fixed...I mean, how long until then next patch now because I cannot keep restarting my game after every Launcher exe crash. Are we talking weeks and months like we have waited for this one?

The devs mentioned that they are constantly looking for people but can not find any. There are not many skilled flight-sim programmers in Russia. Russian game dev is not a very developed industry. We do not produce BF3 or Call of Duty or WOW here. If anyone wants to move to Moscow and help 1C you are welcome :)

I am not saying it is fine. I personally think the priorities and quality management are a bit off.

Colander,

Get your arse to Russia!!! :lol:

that explains it all to me. This seems to me the real reason why there are hundreds of new bugs reported with the new patch.But if the Devs can't cope with the programming stuff, which is understandable, they should be able to tell: "sorry, we can't fix it", and not let the community "hope for the best"
Anyway, thank you B6, this is for me the first realistic update since the sim was sold,proving the sim is realy almost ,imho, dead. Very pitty but thanks again
Sincerely
Tigertooo

I know it is frustrating for all of us including the developers, but as others have said this is a "BETA" . I you don't want to test it as such don't download and instal it. Black Six has already said to forum wait for the final release if you aren't happy. The main problem has been that the sim was released before it was really ready and there lies the start of all the complaints the developers are now getting. If we wish to see the final release of CoD in all it's glory we will all have to drink from the big bucket of patience.

The root of the problem may indeed be the early release. But there are so many outright shitty products on the market that people bought and buy these days - and instead demanding fixes they just buy the next generation product.

Maybe it's just a general generation problem. :grin:
While young people can just get over it and continue the older ones have issues with that sometimes. There are so many real life examples... I seriously must wonder how some people can tackle their lifes without going mad if one (out of probably thousands) buggy game is such a big deal for them.



The way I see it, posting about this alone is not only a waste of time but costs more money than the whole game. By spending 10 hours here posting how bad the game is you could've easily made 50€ even by just cleaning toilets.

What the game currently needs is most likely comprehensive bug reports. Without serious and well sturctured bug reports it won't get better. Ever.

Personally I don't have enough time right now for serious bug testing so I'm very thankful to the people who do so and report their findings in a constructive manner! Thanks for that :grin:

Whoa! Madfish this is a lightning of pure genius!

Cheers!

That's a good try but, in the long, a wasted effort as you won't get through to them.... They'll read into what is posted what they want to read (regardless of what was posted) and their expectations will morph facts into fantasy (hence the OP)



TBH, there are better behaved children at the local kindegarten.....

I think we are stuck between a rock and a hard place here because even without the beta the game has bugs. I guess it's a down to which buggy game you prefer to play in the end. The awful stuttering from day one of the game, or the launcher exe crashes that I'm currently experiencing with this beta patch. That's not the best choices to have, but I'm sure you will find a way to disagree with that. But maybe that's the reason people don't think they have a choice other then to download the beta patch and try to make the best of a bad situation. Now I don't think that is morphing the facts into fantasy, do you?

dunno... you tell us Potnoodles (none, have been hyped up as "the one", except for those whose expectations took control of their comprehension skills)


TBH... there are better behaved children at the local kindegarten and they also have, it appears, much better comprehension skills, than the whingers here

+1

Curious
 

Can somebody tell me why its taking so long to fix this sim. Been playing Rise of flight and we get great patches with new content all the time were kinda spoilt over there plus the devs talk to us and let us know whats going on. So why dosent it happen here.:confused:

That is a good question...hope you hear with an answer from the devs!...I think in... two weeks ...maybe?

Don't even go there mate, you will end up in a world of hurt, I was going to say more but it would make me a naughty boy.

No worries mate, i know what a Beta is but i guess im just confused as to the situation.. i dont read every thread here which would of partly answered some questions...

Some nice replys here and a bit more of an insight for me..

@Wolfrider
Take yer attitude somewhere else and yer insults too

Well as a paying customer i am going there i have the right to know whats going on with my broken game. So my question still stands why do we have no real info from the devs? and why is it taking so long? are you still working on it?:confused:

Just out of curiousity and keeping this insult and sarcasm free, what is it about what the devs 'do' tell us that you aren't accepting?

Bongo are you a dev?

Yet again another pointless moaning thread, luckily I have found a way to get out of them...

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/5...9291590185.jpg

Explain how it is pointless pls?

Small point of destinction. You are a 'paid up' customer. 'Paying' implys an ongoing monetary comitment. So unless you bought the sim on terms....

The patches both retail and beta are taking us in the right direction. The Devs have told us the are commited to fixing this sim. Infact they've told us that the series cannot go forward without getting the game engine working right. Basically they have a lot more at stake in getting it to work right than either me or you.

If the company goes belly up we've only lost the measly sum of a few dollars and will just buy the next sim that pops up. The developers risk so much more! They risk their long term financial stability, food, lodging and if any of them have debts with the Russian Mafia, their probably risking their knees, digits, eyes or the lives of children and loved ones!

Just think about it. I bet their doing the best they can!

No, just asking a simple question?

Please do understand people frustration and let the devs reply. Considering all the “betterments “in the new patch I think some explanation is appropriate!

But i hear there making a new game so how is that doing there best to fix CLOD?

From what they are telling us the game uses the same game engine as CoD. So if they don't get the game engine going, which will benefit both sims, they wont be in a position to release the next game in the series.

They are in the process of making a new game yes, the new game depends on COD being fixed because at the moment COD is the only game in circulation which uses the engine for all future releases, without a fixed engine there is no sequel, no sequel means no money coming in, and the devs can empty their desks and look for another job in the well known and massive flight simming industry.

Okay please explain what the use of this thread is, they have vastly improved the game with the latest couple of patches IMHO and they continue to do so.

Just let them work, the patches they do now will improve the engine for the expansion and they no that if they don't do a good job there customers won't bother buying the expansion.

+1

Take note of this post.

It's the one simple truth of the whole sequel saga..

In short.
If COD doesn't work neither will BOM. Which also means that if BOM works, so will COD..

I'm amazed at how many of the 'outraged by the sequel' posters have forgotten or ignored this basic point.

I don't think being 'outraged by the sequel' is wrong though is it?

All the majority ask is sort the present (and what came in the past), then look to the future.

Possibly to much to ask is it?

They have stated that the programmers are working on COD, a separate team is working on the new map and the modellers are working on the sequel.

So they are sorting out the present!

hi Blacksix. was wondering about this for awhile now. WE have so many great modders in this community and people who also know how to do this kind of programing.Is it possible to release some of the workload to the community?I am sure the people who helped bring us these fantastic mods UP and HSFX can help ease the burden and get the game the way it "should" be?

Wow if only life were that simple, I could get somebody else who is enthusiastic and stupid to do my job for me and I stll pocket the cash.....sweet.

In the current state mods would obviously only hurt and add to the mess as they'd introduce their own bugs and uneccessary complications.
And anything else besides mods would cause legal issues and will understandably not happen, ever.

Nothing can be done right now aside from proper bug testing and sending in constructive reports, logs and suggestions. And giving them some time to work.
Not sure why this is such a big deal to so many. I think it's rather hilarious.

+1

It isn't wrong it's just a bit shortsighted.
I think you'll find that the majority want the game fixed, the past is past. Whatever they do to CoD won't fix the last year, so the past is pretty irrelevant.
The future is dependant on getting the game engine sorted, which is what they are doing

If COD gets fixed as a by-product of BoM then that's still the same end result. ie. working game.

1c cannot release BoM unless CoD is working, because that would mean BoM won't work either.

I simply will not buy BoM until it's shown to be working, I think many here share the same thought.

I could understand the 'outrage' if the Devs had come on here and said, we can't fix CoD so we're starting from scratch with BoM, new engine..etc

They didn't though, they said that BoM was the same engine as CoD and that by working on BoM they were also working on CoD.

So by being outraged by the sequel you're basically getting outraged at the fact that the Devs are working to get you a working game.. Strange..? Or petty?

Is it not though the proverbial ever decreasing circle, we won't buy the sequal/add-on/expansion as there are no gaurantees that it will work or fix CLoD, but if we don't buy it there possibly will never be a finished CLoD?

Also, are they working to fix CLoD or are they titbits throw to us until BoM is ready (if ever)??

Yeah real hilarious took everybodys money and left them with a broken game with no clue as to when it will be fixed. Then throw out little beta patches that fix some things and break others. I mean its not like it just needs abit of polish here were talking major flaws like the flying though trees and buildings and the lack of flyables still allot of work. :confused:

was just a suggestion no need to get your panties in a bunch.

enthusiasm what a word eh? where would this world be without it.Where exactly would we all be if there wasnt some poor guy with a brilliant mind who is enthusiastic and stupid enough to do it for free?Tell that to the guys who make the version of HSFX you are flying right now.And added all those nice new aircraft for your enjoyment,added all those new features so your 10 year old version of Il2 is still as fun as it was today as it was back then.

yep..if only life was so simple.my point is dont be so fast to jump down somebodies back for asking a question.And not everyone is in it for the money.there are a few who do things for just the pure enjoyment of it.

Hahaha. You made my day. Seriously, it IS hilarious. Do you marry a girl on first sight? Why didn't you wait for reviews? They took no ones money. You GAVE it to them for the product.
I can understand the problem with the system requirements but aside from that you make no sense.

If you are an early adopter live with the damn consequences. Also try to go out and experience life. This game is still supported and does get patches - unlike a freaking ton of other broken useless games I own.

I also don't like the flying through trees thing. But whatever. No one promised we'd collide with them. Why don't you buy a DCS game and a microscope so you can even SPOT a damn tree. This game looks stunning and works okay overall. There's no better sim out there and if you want one just go and make one. I'll even buy it :cool:


No one does anything for free. Even the HSFX people don't. They do it because THEY want a better game and not because WE want a better game. That's how economy started. People specialized because THEY wanted something but also didn't want to starve just because they were good smiths but sucked at farming. Please don't be so naive as to believe that people do stuff for free...

Dude you sound like you need to calm your passion abit. As a paying customer i have the right to vent my opinion so why do you feel the need to attack me like an over protective fanboy?

Wow, Madfish, sounds like you got bit by life pretty bad.

I've not downloaded the HSFX mod, but I wasn't aware that there was a fee charged. Plus, you're very welcome to fly on the ATAG server at no charge -- ie. FREE. (Sure, someone will point out that we accept donations to help defray server costs, but that is strictly voluntary. The only "payment" we require is that everyone have a good time.) We're also indebted to the guys behind the scenes that maintain the server, design, test, and implement the missions, and do the stats for us......all for FREE.

At 58 years of age I'm no kid, and like most here have lived life's ups and downs (lots of THOSE). Yes, there are certainly many people out there who are purely "what's in it for me" -- no question. But I share Woodstock's conviction that there are many talented individuals within our own 1C Forum community that would gladly undertake CoD mods and improvements, given the necessary SDK tools, and charge not one penny in return.

Yes, it's quite possible that CoD will never get fixed and that BoM will never get released.

But we are the kings of our own destiny on this.

Let's just suppose for a moment that BoM gets released with CoD still not working properly.. Who in their right mind on here is gonna shell out for it?
Not many.

My prediction is that when they are happy with BoM we will get a patch for CoD.
Then BoM will be released.
There is no other logical approach that makes any business sense.

So my original point still stands, if you are angry about the sequel you should probably stop thinking in terms of CoD/BoM and try to see them as one entity with different plane sets and maps.

Like I said before, if the Devs decide to ditch CoD in favour of BoM then getting angry is probably justified. Until that day (which I don't think is gonna happen) The sequel shouldn't really be getting people outraged... It's at the very least a sign that the Devs see a future.

Don't get me wrong, the release of CoD has been a very disappointing experience, but to beat up on the Devs because they are trying to fix it, just not in the way you think they should do it, is pointless.

I have no problem with people being 'outraged' by the whole CoD thing either and am not here to make apologies for the Devs. I just found the reaction to the sequel to be rather knee jerk.

The reality for me is that I will not buy a sequel until CoD is, at the very least heading in the right direction. If everybody on here said the same then I'd have no problems with that. It's the 'why the hell are you working on that instead of fixing this' attitude that I was commenting on.. That and this in this case are the same thing.

Well its got a long way to go before it will drive me away from ROF thats the BEST dogfighting sim at the moment plus they go about the business in a proper manner and its awsome what they have achieved.:!:

Great, they sure do conduct business, you have to pay for everything, sooner or later it's gonna be fuel and bullets.

Well, at least they are putting new content out there. Also, flightsims are even "nichier" than ever before, it's almost a miracle that games like CloD and RoF are still being released. Times are different, majority of PC gamers aren't playing flightsims anymore, it's not the 80's and 90's when the industry was spitting out tons of flightsims all the time. Making games is more costly and resource hungry than ever, I wouldn't even get mad if the RoF team charged for a cigar DLC because I understand that it's not financially viable to release ONE flightsim and expect to make enough money on DVD/digital sales alone to finance the next one, it's not possible.

If you do have some interest in the game industry, since CloD is in fact a game, then you would've noticed the reports from this years E3 was a lot about free to play games. Free to play games dominated this years E3 showfloor. This is the future of games, like it or not. If everybody is charging 40-60€ for a new game and there are a ton of interesting games every month on many different platforms then the competition is ferocious and almost impossible. This is the reason for free to play. Sorry if this became a bit of a long text but as I stated at the beginning, paying for stuff is something you and many others will have to get used to, unless you are willing to pay like 699€/$ for a complete flightsim.

Yeah but i dont mind paying for things that work Bongo.:!:

Though not perfect , it's working great for me . I mostly fly offline for now and the new patch is working great! No crashes (must be my GTX570) and the FPS is up slightly . I notice the weathering slider is now working and The AI is improved .I love the way they simulated the sputtering , black smoke and flames out the exhausts.The panel lines and weathering are stunning , especially some of the custom skins . For 49 bucks what's to snivel about? Some of you guys need to get some cheese to go with your Whine . By the way the word is WHINING not whingeing as some people like to spell it .And some of you are doing a terrific job of it . I have tons of games that were a dissapointment after I paid $$ for them . When you try to return them the Gaming outlet offers you 2 $ for them . This is not one of those games. This Sim is awesome in my book and like a fine WINE it will only improve with time.

Strange thing is nor do I, and COD works for me and is making progress with each patch, and I'm sorry for you to say that it works for other people too, are you just simply better than the rest of us that any claims someone like me makes are of no importance? because your toy is broken do you just want everyone else to go without too?

Yeah this game doesn't work!

http://s5.postimage.org/56tux78on/image.png

Krupi your becoming a bit of a troll fella and that reply...? It may work for some so what?..complete pointless reply that and pretty much like your others in this thread...sort it out eh?

@pencon... have you heard of winging? Some people spell it differently but i can assure you its not the same word as whining, i suggest you get a better understanding of the English language before you point fingers

HMMM... pot calling the kettle black!

People seem to forget that the majority if players are offline, and in this regard the game is far from fully functional.

So Bongo if it works so well for you why are you wasting time on this forum go play and leave us to say what were intitled to say. God anybody would think this is your full time job.:!:

I suppose it depends on what you mean by working. In one post you say it's working for you and in the other you mention bugs that some people would say was not a working game. I would say any game with a Launcher exe crash was not a working game because at times it is not working when it should.

How dare you state this game is far from fully functional thats just a lie. Bongo said it plays perfectly without any problems so pls dont argue with him you know he gets all touchy if you say anything bad about it.

If your getting a bug exiting a game I would say that while its annoying would it really hinder you playing the game!

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The problem lays when in the case that BoM works you will have to buy it to make CloD works too, and if that could be the case, it will be plain fraud

Will you be able to fly though trees and building aswell in BOM?. And also will there be a demo of BOM? so we can try before we buy cus i wouldnt want to make the same mistake again.

Buildings! I never have been able to fly directly through a buildings only trees :(

It may not hinder you but nobody can describe this as a working game, if they do describe it as a working game then they should also agree it's not a working game when it crashes. There are two sides to the argument here and no one side is right, it depends how you look at it.

The reason it isn't selling is because they did a Cr*p job on it, not because there isn't a community. The original IL-2 continued to sell even after FORGOTTEN BATTLES came out because it was a GOOD game. CoD is a lousy game that's why it doesn't sell.

And to compound the error and build a sequel on top of the current trainwreck is no way to solve the financial problems the company is having. Yeah they might get a few one off sales to start, but if the problems which plague CoD are present in BoM, then its future isn't going to be any brighter.

It would have cost them a lot less to get down and actually fix the problems in CoD instead of devoting all their time to building a new Sim. Instead they allocated the major portion of their resources to building new aircraft, maps and objects, all of which are going to be operating in the same poorly coded game enviroment.

How stupid do they think the community is? Do they think we will continue to buy half finished games on the promise we will have a different cockpit to sit in, while neglecting to mention yeah, different cockpit, same old issues?

Sorry, don't see this as a viable business plan, and I don't plan to be a subscriber.

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An outsider reading through the forums would have little choice but to consider that for the most (but not all, are rather....

The thing you don't seem to be getting is that they are fully aware that if cod doesn't get fixed very few ppl will bother with whatever they produce, we know this they know this the next instalment has to be compatible with Cod so do ppl really think they are taking fixing this game lightly?

Well, with the amount of whining, crying, tiny foot stamping going on, combined with utter outrage because (for instance) the clouds aren't puffy enough... I could really understand it if they'd be putting alot of effort into just messing with peoples' heads

The way you talk you would think nobody had paid for the game and we were all just sat beta testing the game for free. People have paid money and they are now beta testing a game that will eventually gain this company more money. I think people have a right to question things because they don't want to get sucked back into buying a product that might be no better. I hope it all works out but you have to expect some people to be upset about this.

Rise of Flight studio is based in Russia. How come they don't have this issue? :rolleyes:

Don't hire the closest developer. Hire the best you can afford. They can be any where and do this work.

You are joking right? :rolleyes: I didn't get bit by life at all just because I don't confuse the meaning of words with the origin behind them.

Again: The HSFX people aren't gfx specialists from bethesda, ID or whatever - they are people who are actually playing the game and want to make it better for THEMSELVES and the community around them. Free as in no fee yes - but not as in "I'm doing this for others without any gains for myself".

I know the cost of servers... let's just not get into this :rolleyes:
That aside it's not free. The clan / whatever uses the server as well. Also the people who actually run it.
Would it run if no one would play on it? If no one would benefit from the players on it? No, it wouldn't.
If you feel charitable run a server for a marine institute or whatever. But it's not free, it's for pleasure.

Again: they're not doing it because they aren't benefitting from it. That is NOT free as it doesn't cost anything that wouldn't have to be invested anyways.

Don't misunderstand me. I don't want to attack you and I like "free" stuff as well.... But what's needed right now isn't some funny google sketchup house or tree models. What's needed are core engine fixes at a level of code that cannot even be revealed to the public anyways. And even if they would, which would be suicide, would skilled programmers of totally unrelated projects (not even playing this game) help out? Or just individuals who'd actually profit themselves because they play the game? A code review of a game like CloD would take ages anyways.


And who would manage all that? Keep it under control? Why not just kill the game and open source it to begin with? How can MG protect their code if you want them to open source it? How can they create sequels if fans can add and mod whatever they want using an SDK? Who will keep art direction etc. streamlined and under control? How would mods work if the core engine is broken anyways?
There are so many side effects to this "free" mentality... and many of them are just chaotic and uncontrollable. I can't really see any benefit CURRENTLY.

The SDK will probably come at a later stage. But it bears risks and needs to be managed. Something they probably don't have time for right now. Now is NOT the time for free in terms of mods and hasty patches. "Free" (as in pleasure) comes later, after the core engine mess is solved. You can't build a house without a sturdy foundation.

and constantly whinging and moaning does, what exactly?

I did not write whinge, whinge, whinge whinge... whinge, whinge, whinge anywhere. Has someone edited my post? Where did you see this post originally from me Wolf_Rider? Look at it like this Wolfy..This company made the game because they want to make money and if they didn't make money I bet my bottom dollar they would moan about it. I myself work and am not in the habit of giving away money for nothing when I have worked for it and I will moan until I get my moneys worth.

Madfish, you're playing at semantics in a very nasty way. If people do something that they happen to greatly enjoy, then willingly and gladly share it with others at no cost with no strings attached.....then it's FREE. Period. All the other crap you're spouting is just that.

I've encountered other unpleasant people on this forum, but you're the first I'm putting on IGNORE. I want nothing to do with you, whatsoever.

err Potty... apologies, you're not whinging (post rectified) you're moaning but then again there is very little difference between the two eh
Oh, and they made a sim because they wanted to make a sim

Yeah, payed a whole 50 bucks even. Somebody is going to get sued allright!