Friday Official Update, June 22, 2012
 

Good evening gentlemen!

This week we have completed all the planned work on the patch and are planning to start its assembly and testing in the coming days. Therefore, we do find it difficult to give an exact release date. List of changes will also be published later.

We are however releasing some more screenshots from the upcoming sequel. This is the Soviet La-5 fighter that appeared in the skies over the Eastern Front in the latter half of 1942.
As always, we’d like to mention that everything you see is Work In Progress.

Have a great weekend!

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Awesome!

What is, being told absolutally nothing, again??

From people I speak to the majority don't care about any add-on as most now won't touch it, all we ask is that what we have paid for is made workable.

Great thanks. Gives me more time to try and program my new Thrustmaster Warthog Joystic, Throttle and pedals.

So sad!:(

Winger

A tingling sensation tells me they aint even close.

LOL, just LOL, unbelievable...

Thanks for the screenshots... But I am 99% sure I will not be buying the sequel.

Thx BlackSix, glad to hear the good things remain unchanged, and glad to see my expecations became true. Greetz, Allons!

I will, thanks for the screen shot BTW, this sim has to be great.

[QUOTE=BlackSix;436641]Good evening gentlemen!

Sorry, we’re not releasing anything until we are happy with it.

I do not expect a developer to. I'm currently unhappy though.

Septic.

Ouch. Poor buggers. Good luck!

Now, that is surely a sequel that I WILL NOT touch, knowing how they take care(or dont rather) of the games already released....

Nothing personal against you Blacksix, you are only the messenger!

wow, sorry to say I beleave our squad just lost 3 people today
because of no hope of patch, just great.

thanks for the update.
at least HSFX6.0 is out

So I have to ask, are we getting a fw190 in the next expansion?

I'll be able to answer after announcment of sequel only.

It has to be said.... Lastnight I decided to treat myself and had a look at the special offers on Steam. I noticed a game called Men of War was on special offer and thought "Looks intriguing", watched the trailer and saw the 1C logo come up and immediately closed Steam and muttered "Nah...."

Of course, as mentioned above, this is not your fault Blacksix as you are just the messenger! :)

Aircraft look real good, thanks B6

Thabks for the info Black Six,Nice screenies too.

Thank you for the information BS.

I just want to state the fact that the way IC is treating the community at this forum is not the way as it should be.
The main problem is communication!
I would recommend to inform the community with a little bit more respect and hand over some details. There are lots of people checking this forum to get the latest informations about the patch update process.
It doesn´t last too long to type in some facts even twice a week. (Max. 5 minutes)
We do all need a perspective of what is going on and when the product will arrive. It´s us that keep this genre alive. (this includes devs and users)
So please try to inform us a little bit more with details...
Thank you

Hmmm....

Thanks for the update BlackSix, you delivered according to my expectations (unfortunately).

I will 100% buy the sequel.

Just get it done quickly though because you are playing with our nerves.... ;)

And since our mental age (for most of us) is over 12years old, we draw our own conclusions following the continous "pretty colorful pictures" saga you have been feeding us for weeks now... :(

Please, do not underestimate our intelligence! We may post rubish in your forums (due to the lack of anything more interesting) and go after each other's throat but, we are not that stupid (as sometimes I think you consider us to be :( ).


Better give us some betas so that we are at least occupied in discussions and testing than having us hanging in front of Internet Explorer pressing the F5 key.


Nice weekend,


~S~

Men of War are a great series, if you're into real time strategy. I have the full set and I strongly recommend it. Publisher is 1C, but developer is not Maddox Games. If it's on sale, get it, you won't regret it.

Thanks for you difficult work b6.

But you all have to understand that this is not an update and that the game is dying under a cover of silence.

This is becoming more and more of a joke as the weeks progress.
You can see the games greatness occasionally but then you see the flaws all the more clearly.
Couldn't MG at least put some of the mission designers to work on this title to give us a set of decent missions/campaigns...Oh hold on, they are the ones that gave us the set we have now..:-x

Thanks for update and screenies b6

But i think ill do with bom the same as i did the old il2. Wait a few years for it to be fixed and pay a fiver for it.

No,me neither,not interested in the Russian campaign at all.....it was the Battle Of Britain that interested me from the start and I have always felt that it could've been explored a little more than it has been.

It would've been fantastic to have had a flyable Wellington,Dornier,Battle or Hampden,but that's life I guess.

Personally I would only contemplate purchasing a sequel if it meant that it's content would benefit 'The Cliffs Of Dover'.If the sequel had been aimed at the European air war with say your FW190's vs B17's to name but a few,then they would've got my interest,I would also have loved to have seen maybe a desert air war,but the Russian thing does'nt do it for me,which is a pity.

Thanks for keeping us in the picture B6,although I'm starting to lose all hope and interest now of what 1C is working on for the future or more importantly if it has a future itself.

good looking La; some doubts about the landscape but that's WIP right?

regarding CLoD i suppose they made some more progress with the clouds...

I have to ask:
Is this sequel using the same engine as CloD? If so, can we expect the same experiences/performance/bugs from the sequel?

The commercial outcome of the Sequel will make a great case study for marketing / business students, and will be a test of whether "customer satisfaction" is still key to success (at least in this industry).

B6, thanks for the update. I'd hate to have your job.

I will go move on to F4 BMS until all this mess is cleared up.

Read my signature. Does SLI ring a bell??

I have been asking once and againg for it and I don´t get an answer so i´m out until they fix it.

No hard feelings on my side but do not expect any hard money coming from me in the near future.

And believe me you are loosing a gold minewith me. A sim-idiotic-fan that for example has bought EVERYTHING available for ROF and I hardly play it. But when I do it works great.

to the team, tahnk you for all your efforts, but results are not satisfactory for me so far.(SLI,SLI and SLI)

jcenzano out.

+1

Landscape and all objects is WIP.

Sequel will be using the same engine as CloD, but we'll have to fix bugs.

Quite a different phrasing from Sukhoi.tu


"Quote:
Friday, June 22, 2012. Information about the patch and screenshots

Hello!

This week we have completed all the planned work on the patch and are planning to start its assembly and testing in the coming days. Therefore, we do find it difficult to give an exact release date. List of changes will also be published later."


Dont have the link but the quote is from SimHQ.



Make of it what you will.

To me it sounds like they do whatever they can to make it even more confusing than it already is. Its almost like they v stopped caring all together.


Edit: When i think about it im pretty sure the 2012-06-22 "update" at the sukhoi.tu is a copy paste from a "update" we got here about a month ago.(Not literally but you get the idea)

An absolute rock show. Just cracks me up.

Sorry for pointing this out BS, but that is one HUGE understatement

Lurking since release havent posted a dam thing till this...................THANKS

REALLY HOPE YOU GUYS ARE WRITING SOME SUPER ATOMIC RUSSIAN CODE :-P

THANKS FOR THE SCREENSHOTS(BUKKAKE ANYONE)

If this is true it's a disgrace. No trust in this mob anymore.

To the 1c development team.

Your sequel is of NO INTEREST TO ME AND MY SQD members!!!

I can fly the LA5 in IL2 and it WORKS, I suspect it wont in BOM

CLOD is just a total waste of my time and money and I have spent 4+ years waiting for something to be a worthy replacement to IL2. CLOD aint it!

To have any hope of selling the sequel in any significant numbers, YOU REALLY NEED TO FIX the sodding game as it stands now, as was promised, as was advertised and as was SOLD TO US!

Fed up of waiting now AND WE HAVE WAITED and WAITED and WAITED and WAITED, I am really sorry and upset for the WW2 combat flight sim community, we really needed something to replace IL2 and you have failed us. How sad.......

I suspect Ill be banned, but to be honest, I dont really care anymore, do your worst, ah you already have of course, you released CLOD.......

Toodle pip!
Bunster

Wel seems no update this week

B6 alterd his post so now must I.
It is now something of an update.

Thanks for the screenies, Blacksix! I hope you guys make good progress in the patch!

Lets hope the patch will be finished soon, and not thanks, you only posted some screenshots like, we havent the one thing you like, but yeah! we have this, lets put it there, im going to thank b6 when he tell some interesting things for the patch, and something. salute

Stale joke. After all that fairy tales your dearly beloved SQUEL is of NO INTEREST to me ...

Keep on wasting your time with DX9

~S~

Nice Screenshots nevertheless.
But may i ask how a LaG-5 fits in to the BoM (BoM = Battle of Moscow) Timeframe?

You've still not even done it since about 1 year some model airplane
Bug fix! (Bomber)
These aircraft will be there but also in BOM.

written by Google
JG4 Widukind

This is my last visit to the forum .....
When you finish with those so called bugs ... update steam.
The game is going permanently to the self......
Il2 sturmovik was a glorius game with great reputation......

The announcement of the MMO was supposed to be in mid June. Have they stuffed up that deadline too?

Could you elaborate ?

.
Should it be BfM or BoM "Battle for Moscow" or "Battle of Moscow":( ?

kristorf, don't worry, they'll learn it the hard way the day they release the sequel.

said like a true 1C customer.

i see korean diablo3 custmers, by law have option for refund due to blizzard`s oversights and incapabilities of ensuring a playable prooduct.

how do you fare in this realm 1C ?

by rights we should all have refunds from you.

Darn, I have to say I was hoping for a Gustav or Friedrich. Anyway I`m ready to hit the Eastern Front again. :)

Quick. Get the pitch forks and torches! We'll storm the 1C gates!

guaranteed +1

Did problem arise in internal testing again? I thought the patch was to go to internal testing last week sometime?

Dont worry guys.... they will know the consecuences when they "Addon" will be released, im not going to buy it, for some reasons, 1, if they can,t patch bugs in the Clod they can,t in the BOM, 2 (And the most important)I am not going to pay for a people who leaves their games and start to do another ones, I WANT THE GAME THAT I PAYED! and if they think that i wil buy the addon for this? ajajajjajaja

These updates used to get 5 or 6 pages of "great news, thanks very much" etc before the "unpleased" started their posts.

This week the unhappy are starting on page one!

Thats gotta say something, dont you think?....:(

That they can`t find anything better to do?

lol? do you think its bad that you pay for anything, they tell you something to then. another week tell you something differnet, and all lies? its bad to tell what do you think?

"Struggle in Moscow"

today when i popped on the forum, to share some ridicule, well deserved ridicule imo i noticed this general concensus too. its warming somewhat that the reality is bitting ! i think its time friday updates were over, must be painfull for them being so awkward about everything, absolutely everything.

Thanks a lot for the screenshots. They are fantastic. I´m waiting for the sequel to buy it and start with IL-2 CoD series on the eastern front actually . This is my field of interest. The same applies to some people from the community of virtual pilots that I know.

Kuion

Wait, this new BoM will include later war aircraft too, yeah?

What Kristorf said. Why spend valuable time and resources on producing an upgrade to something that still does not work?

Disappointing.

I know its still not a patch but B6 has updated the update with some more info.

From Page 1 update: http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=32755
Good evening gentlemen!

This week we have completed all the planned work on the patch and are planning to start its assembly and testing in the coming days. Therefore, we do find it difficult to give an exact release date. List of changes will also be published later.

We are however releasing some more screenshots from the upcoming sequel. This is the Soviet La-5 fighter that appeared in the skies over the Eastern Front in the latter half of 1942.
As always, we’d like to mention that everything you see is Work In Progress.

Thanks for the joke, ups ! the update sorry .... :)
So far, dev team is lucky that nowadays ridiculous situation do not kill....

I promise myself a great moment of fun reading some fanboys...

As I commented in the post last Friday .... The 1C said the patch would be released on last Wednesday or any day after ... As I said can be up to 365 days after

Even now I'm wondering ... Why talk about it? It seems they want to leave the community with more hype and more angry ...

I've stopped flying already have one month!

Just think I will leave aside the CLOD and started to invest in the products of DCS ...

The 1C does not seem to worry about being considerate to their customers. The only thing I see clearly is the neglect and a news update with no detail about the progress of the patch and full of news about the sequel, which for me is to divert attention from more naive, but it seems they (1C) can do very well.

Again let express my outrage at the carelessness that 1C is doing to us customers.

We feel that clients harmed by these actions have to do something about it ..

P.S: Sorry everyone for my bad English.

A few days to fix this, a few days to fix that....


Laughable.

TY BS(not your fault)

you mean.. the few empty words they've thrown in when they saw the reaction of the forum when faced with their new original "update"?

Honestly, BoM landscape looks awful, it doesn't gel together whatsoever and I utterly fail to understand why you keep making the same errors regarding patch timings over and over again, why keep telling us timescales and them continue to miss them, it's insane.

Edited my post because it seems the update post has been changed to something a bit more responsible and so I have no comment.

Just ridiculous and impolite as well !!! "....when we are happy with it" Sentences like this leave me speechless. As if it was only up to them!

From a developer point of view: They just not good enough! They try to solve one problem and create two new ones at the same time. And this is happening for one year now !!!! In my profession I have already seen a lot of companies like this one and I can tell you, they get it never done. I'm really sad to say so, but I lost my last hope....

Seems to me COD will use same engine as BOM not vice versa.

I dont care about a sequel..i want to be able to play this game...

This is seriously getting beyond the joke now

Gentlemen, at the end of the day BoM is imminent and the team are well aware of their tricky situation. The last thing they want is for the whole series to flop. It wouldn't be good for any of them.

As annoyed as I am that CloD is being abandoned directly for the time being, I can't see anything changing. Perhaps the team will learn from their 'lessons', however I don't see any benefits in BoM flopping causing the whole series to collapse. This is the most tangible WW2 aerial combat flight simulator at the moment, and definitely the most developed out of anything that could potentially fill the gap.

What I'm saying is that I'd rather see these updates (as disinterested as I am) then nothing. Nothing is going to change. Unless an SDK is released this year, the series will very much follow the line the development team (or the owners) wish to take it.

Thanks BlackSix! The La-5 looks great and I can't wait to get my paws on it!

And to think I was feeling a bit down after a hard couple of weeks at work, younger kids crying when I got home, had to painted some monkeys for my older daughters 21st birthday tomorrow! (70 Uni students on safari in my back yard! OMG what were we thinking!!!!)

Then I read all those sour grape post and realised that my life is pritty effing good by comparison to some peoples!

Now the house is quiet and the little'uns have gone to bed! It's time to have a scotch and fly COD for an hour or so before bed!

Night all!

Well,well, well.
What a surprise!:evil:
Hi all. I havnt posted on the forum much but my last litlle rant of disaproval I felt hit all the key points that I wanted to get across and what most of us feel about CLOD.

Black 6 you poor fella.
To be the messenger of such drivel must be very tough.
Most if not all the posts here are unsatisfied customers.
We are totally fed up with the false promises and estimated patch dates.
Product misreperesentation springs to mind hear.

CLOD could have been so good but now its just pissing everyone off.
May be worth having a word with the Rise Of Fligt team.
THEY SEEM TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING!!!:-x

creo que he tenido un deja vu, bueno igual llevo 4 años teniéndolo desde tiempos del amigo oleg. Lo siento ya no me molesto en traducirlo, total a quien le va a importar?.

Pd: el La será todo lo ruso que quieran pero es feo de coones.
Ahora sigamos en Inglés:

Thanks for update, and bla bla bla bla, have a great week end.:grin:

Great news, as usual!

In the meanwhile I've found a leaked pic of the La-5 cockpit:

http://www.rv-8a.net/images/F-16C%20Cockpit.jpg

:-)

I don't find the laser gun trigger, this is a bug B6!

Cheers!

JAJAJA español? ajaja creeme, este es el sitio en el que menos creia que iva a encontrar a un español, lets back in english, this is a JOKE!, DEVS, tell us more!, and more of the patch! , and its current state, i want 100% it doesent matter that i dont understand all but , but we will see if they are working or not.

I will purchase the sequel and think that the next official update will be important in terms of how well it addresses many of the issues that have undermined CloD - I would rather wait than have a sub standard release.

BS, Will the Yak make an appearance in BOM?

Einfach lächerlich.
Und unverschämt!

Out!

FS~Phat Edit; Sorry I have deleted this quote/post as it was over the top. /end

Well im not happy either, but the devs do not deserve this.
They still have a good track record with their last sim maybe you remember iL2 it started buggy burt was light years ahead.
They the devs stood by it until it was the best around.
Regrettably it still is, but bob is were it isn’t flawed brilliant.
So I think one can still have some trust that the devs will stand by their product.
If they don’t well then the curtain falls for the whole franchise and that’s serious money down the drain.
So where are they following the wrong path, well they could handle their fan base better.
Black six is the spokes man and he shouldn’t be he is doing campain work for the next installment.
Being spokes man is a serious position and it should at least for us mostly westerners here be fulfilled by somebody with a thorough understanding of the western customer base.
I've been in Moscow some time ago for some time and there are good people there, who think along completely different lines than we do.
So presumably there is no funding for getting the job done properly could be Black Sixs is doing a dandy job over there for the Russian customers I don’t presume to know.
So I think it should not be the software developer informing the customer but rather the publisher.
This publisher is silent in every way they can be and are not helping Maddox in anyway.
If I were Maddox I do away with the dox and be just Mad at them Ubi that is.
But as it is and as things stand now they have to up the ante.

Traurig aber wahr.

Calm down, folks!
It's Operation Barbarossa-day today...71 years ago today.

I suppose they are defending themselves today. ;-)

Ok, before things start going downhill, let me say a few things.

People have a right to be pleased or displeased.

However, if i see people deliberately ignoring the update information in order to speculate and start personal wars, or attacking other users for having a different opinion, this thread is going to see some heavy moderating.

In other words, express whatever opinion you want to express, but if it's not done politely expect the usual consequences as well.

They say they're done with coding and will start testing. Then we got some screenshots. That is the summary of the update and that is what we ask questions about in this thread and answer them if we can, or wait for B6 to do so. Anything else is off-topic and will be treated as such. If you still wish to discuss off-topic things, open a new thread and don't screw up this one. I'm not joking. Thanks for cooperating. ;)

See?? I was right ... they keep with the vapor of "we finished this, we finished that" .... if you need to pack everything and then TEST again, well, you can´t be sure that you fixed everything isn´t it? .... i bet my house that when they test again, they will find some minor bugs and they will decide "in an afternoon reunion" that they want to work another ..... 3 or 6 months on it, but they can´t promise a date when the patch will be ready ....

Just one word .... IRRESPONSIBLE

Not that I particularly mind that the patch isn't out, yet, (I have enough other things to do, you know that thing called "real life" ;)) but I can't shake the impression that Luthier desperately needs to get out of the office and an injection of a healthy dose of reality. It smacks of that dreaded "locked up in one place for too long" syndrome which disconnects a person (or more) from what really goes on. And this endless collection of delays has the definitive stink of it ...

i think the devs should retreat back to modding. You might make a damn good mod for DCS if you get your cards in order. professional quality payware mod for dcs with standards dictated by another source. what better design remit could there be for a clearly struggling flightsimming development company seeking a product to full fill a communites appetite.

seriously, you might actually make some money over on that side of flightsimming in a more unique way, and i as a customer could be assured of the quality i desire. i realise this sounds offensive, it initially might have been but seriously its not. its actually a viable source for you guys to do somthing of great quality work with income. and it could prove to be more beneficial for your company name in general. the facts or reality is that not many around here are getting what they desire and it works both ways, un-desirable feedback is naturally un-desirable. surely those in the face of the feedback must want to change that. and thats simply enough said on that. so please dont take it as an insult, make your mark on the flightsimming world in another way. its just another idea. and to appease the situation somewhat i must say i cant think of a better developed mod in the ww2 realms as one from you guys. i actually believe that could be a fact. so whilst i may appear to be insulting your company. a group like yours could/should have many many options outwith your own monkey sphere (loosly termed).

Good news patch is not dead...in coma but not dead is ok by me...keep the life support going guys!!

Would just also like to register am totally completely fully and completely UNINTERESTED in updates on the new game until you fix the first one.

PS

[QUOTE=SEE;436814]I will purchase the sequel and think that the next official update will be important in terms of how well it addresses many of the issues that have undermined CloD - I would rather wait than have a sub standard release.

You are going to get a sub standard release either way ;)

SNAFU…seriously, being cautious about leaking information or carful not to over promise is one thing but this update is nothing and the community is obviously desperate for something.

Luthier, wake up and get in the game!!! I think the developers may be thinking that all will be forgiven and forgotten once BOM in all its glory is released. That may be true for a very small group of IL-2 loyalists (and that group is getting smaller all the time), but the majority here are going to remember that once the sequel is released it will take months if not years to fix the bugs with very little communication along the way. I have never had an issue getting the game to run properly…relatively speaking. I am also 100 percent SP like many here. And like many here I was thrilled with the release of the last “alpha” patch…but really didn’t see much of a difference. The AI still sucks, the FM are mostly inaccurate, and there are many features that are still either very flawed, broken or missing all together. I can’t play the game for more than a few minutes before seeing or hearing something that makes me click “Quit”. Like the Hurricane’s laser beam tracers or the sound of the guns inside the Brit fighters. Or the twitching wings of the AI? What happened to the glorious new sounds Luthier gushed over? Why can’t we easily record a mission and play it back? Why can’t we toggle icons? Why don’t all the radio comms work? And on and on and on. The BOM images look good but to my eyes they don’t look that much better than IL-2. So 1C is going to introduce a new, buggy version or IL-2 with slightly better images that will take months / years to sort out and with fewer features. Yeah…sign me up!!! I’d like to see the business plan behind that strategy?

Out.

The only pathetic here is the whining of patienceless people!

If the patch doesn't comes next week then mabe the week after.

The real life gives soo much more fun as a computer game, which could be written of as bad experience after all, if it comes to the worst case.

As long as the devs are still working on it, nothing is lost.

I see the ban hammer coming down on some of these posts. Why people think they have the right to personally attack posts is beyond me, if you are pleased with the game that's fine and if you are not pleased that's also fine. Everyone has the right to say what they think without someone else's interference. The Mods will sort the posts out if they are not happy with them.

I'm wondering how many years of waiting and millions of words will be expended here before they can get themselves sorted out. That being the sort of expenditure required, I think the price of this sequel is going to be much too high.

A fair comment, Robtek, but I think the problem is that people are beginning to suspect it isn't being worked on. lol

So, where's your limit. If they still say "working on it" on a friday of November 2015 will you still say "hoooray"?

Cup half full Dept. : I can wait a bitlonger to see if this patch will allow me to keep what I've got PC Wise, since it might increase FPS or have to invest in a new Graphics card & who knows what else.Its the same holding pattern I've been in for the past year...sigh...
But thanks Black 6 for the screenies!