at last some competition for CloD ?
 

... just throwing a stone on the antshill, ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsgEi...eature=related

landscape graphics are not so nice but if we give them also some 6 years for development, who knows what`s coming out ?

:mrgreen:

I have to say.. that's a seriously nice looking pit

No only FM, no AI, no damage model. But fantastic CEM.

not really competition... tough i dream of Accusim planes fightning in COD.

It wouldn't be so much fighting, more who can manage to keep their plane in the air if CoD had Accusim FM/CEM. It's a ridiculous comparison though, CoD is a combat flightsim game where the sim part is not to be taken too seriously whilst the A2A Accusim planes are as close as you can get to flying the real thing on a PC. After flying the Accusim B377, it's very hard to settle for anything less, I kinda hate it because it just makes any other sim/plane I've flown (maybe DCS: A-10 is the exception) seem like a nintendo game. Accusim is that good. In short, CoD has to make compromises -understandably- with regards to everything that has to be modeled at the same time, Accusim planes don't have to take in to consideration DM etc. that's why it's head and shoulders above most of the competition.

+1 to the comments above.

Apples to oranges. But a beautiful product, including the sounds. Bought it to learn more about the Spit -- worth every penny++.

Yes, I love the B377 also, challenging flying the old route to Tokyo via Alaska from Seattle and Chicago. The B17 is also excellent.

Who knows BOB3 or any ww2 air combat simulator with accusim aircraft? That would be to good to ever come true.

Still waiting for these guys to do a 109.
Then Ill bother to buy fsx!

No multiplayer... :rolleyes:

yeah those planes in a combat sim, plus a 109 as oponent for the spit, and iam one less customer for 1c.

There is multiplayer, mate. I did some formation flying with this Spitfire ;)

Beautiful product, I enjoy all a2a planes. Just yesterday I bought their new P-51. Awesome to bits, will fly her over the weekend (and compare to DCS).

But as the above folks said, this is no competition to CloD, one feels lonely on a long flights, no guns, no DM...

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10668862/FSX...4-9-59-688.jpg

@Robo. Looking forward to a comparison between the DCS and the A2A P-51's, I'm very curious about that.:)

Hear, hear!

I think we'll find the entire forum jump ship with the treason we have been victim of as a community.

Well as for FSX, they can fly but no combat, you can always dog fight and sound off over team speak ataca, ataca, ataca, ataca, like the line from "Battle for Britain", as far as DCS; Cliffs of dover will have been patch times over before any real benefit's from DCS....

+1, though i won't hold my breath...

I'd like to see these guys build a 3rd party plane using the CloD engine. Make it just like the FSX plane but of course with the better cockpits and a damage model.

They could probably charge $50-100 and people would buy it. Now we just need to get a few more people to buy this sim or the sequel down the road for them to pay attention.

It looks beautiful. If all you want to do is head up for a scenic flight, then this looks like the way to go for now.
I had a thought when I watched the startup sequence.
I think that even in a "one click startup" mode, we should see all of the switches and levers that are needed in the startup sequence being moved in the appropriate order.
Is there an option for "advanced startup" in the menu? This should certainly be a option for an online server. Even if all it takes is one push of a button in the sim, the sequence should still be simulated.

Nice model and good sounds indeed. The flight model looks broken though from the video. Not convinced it's that good but I haven't flown it.

But wow, they sell a plane for more than the entire CloD costs, probably including expansion...
To call this a competitor is irony at best.


It is NOT hard to make a pretty model fly. It's hard to do the netcode for combat with tons of planes and possibly thousands of bullets leaping through 3d space with realistic ballistics, damage model, to create a graphics engine handling huge areas of detailed terrain etc.
The effort required to make a model like this compared to the above is probably 1/10000000000th of what is required to make a game like CloD. Not kidding.

Like a broken record. How much do you have to pay for it. What battles are included? What theater of operation? What other planesdo you fly against. What?? And you paid for that? Really? They saw you coming from a mile away

There just insert applicable responses from above to the next series of answers.

Yes, understandably it would be hard to plug something like that into Cliffs of Dover and still maintain performance.

That aside "if" they could make WWII aircraft with accusim and damage models with guns ect... even if only slightly improved cockpits and controls (external can stay the same as far as i am concerned.) I would certainly buy my favorite aircraft for SP alone. I am not sure how that would work with variations of the same plane in Multiplayer though.

I was led to believe that it was going to be one of the benefits of the new Clod engine in the ability to plug 3rd party mods and aircraft and that it would be even better than IL-2 in the long run because of it? Once the engine is working better of course.

i fly A2A aircraft since the first one
the latest is the P-51D

also if you wan't to see your guns come in life you'l have to wait for the TACPAC


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUOmJzxoaCA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7cTL6YhEyg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCKSxK1nAAU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCLMgLB9Qlo

love those videos were the guy comments (with a loooot of pation) the planes.

they are very instructive ( the prop one on the spit is my recommendation to anyone who wants to understand different types of props!) and they put water in my mouth...

shame its to expensive and nothing much to do other than giving it a quick spin :(

they are modeled right for A2A. . . but yeah the DM and bullet / weapons physics opens up a whole extra dimension

And its just exciting to shoot, rocket, and bomb stuff well they have the tacpac thing, but they'd have to have a new modeling scheme for ww2 stuff . . .






DCS isn't going to be much competition for CLOD


http://forums.eagle.ru/forumdisplay.php?f=164

in their FAQs they state:

the mustang can fly with or against the a-10 and blackshark,


Q: Will units from the world war 2 era exist, like ME-109's and Ju-87's?
A: That has yet to be determined. While we understand the desire for WW2 counterpart aircraft, DCS is not intended to be a full WW2 era simulation.

Q: Will a world war 2 era map be included?
A: No, DCS is an open simulation environment, it is not a simulation of a specific time period.

Actually, it is for me. ;)

In the past weeks since the release of the P-51 I've spend many hours fighting with (or against) other Mustangs over the Black Sea coast. Hours spent with CloD: zero.

The new DCS World architecture allows 3rd party addons to be implemented much easier, I'm really hoping for other developers to join in. I'd be more than happy to buy any aircraft on a level with the DCS or A2A stuff.

Yes, it's going to be awesome shooting down droves of P-51's in my MiG-21bis when it's released.:grin:

Now if they released a MiG-15 and F-86 to go along with that P-51, THAT would be interesting......... ;)

Hehe... yeah, those shots of the Mig looked great, can't wait to see that beauty finished!

:grin:

But then we'd nead a Corsair II, a Crusaider and a Phantom II for competition. I wonder if they have runway cable arresting gear for those short strips?

A fighter sim without contemporary opponents is like, well, fishing or shooting without beer! ;)

DCS don't plan on creating a dedicated WWII sim, but they're not stopping third parties from doing it ... watch the skies my friend ;)

quoted for truth. BTW There is a rumor to suggest that once DCS world goes gold/live there'd be A LOT more planes coming out for that as well. No mention of the types though. Although, with Irissoft now coming in as a third party content station.... I'm definetly wondering if DCS is running away with the trophy that CLOD was supposed to get.

IRIS company just join DCS world


http://forums.eagle.ru/forumdisplay.php?f=203


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=3fy30-qGoFg#!

Now this is just fantastic news, I have quiet a few Iris addons for FSX and they really are top notch, DCS world is fast becoming the flight sim platform to watch, with all this third party involvement there's almost no limit to what they could do, njow all they need is a third party to start making new maps and I'll be the happiest man in the world.

Now REALLY is one the best times ever to be involved in flight sims, exciting times ahead for all of us :)

Lomac -- lock on modern combat:
Lomac was a blast for a jet sim, except that it too suffered from very poor programming.

Would be nice if it was updated with new textures, engine, and programmed efficiently.

You mean, like Flaming Cliffs 2?

;)

Or the mentioned DCS ( digital combat simulator ) :P

FLAMING CLIFFS 2 vs LOCKON
 

ParaB,
I was not aware of Flaming Cliffs 2. Have you seen any comparisons particularly FPS between theFC2 and the original LOMAC?

My interest is piqued. We loved LOMAC but it really needed updating and improved FPS.

No idea. But I never had any kind of performance problems with either FC1 or 2. Also keep in mind that today's PCs offer vastly more performance than the systems we used in 2003 when LOMAC was released.

nvm

Some action shots of DCS P-51D. If Iris stuff is like this it will be awesome.

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...606_164556.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...606_164316.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...503_190154.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...503_191210.jpg

Played mustang over at a friends house (I'm a victim of the US economic down turn, so still plugging away with a PC optimized for Il-2 1946 and saving for the new PC) he got. He doesn't like it that much nor doesn't like the ground movers / 'shark either.

He's more into jet fighters and wants the MiG . . . However he is a gamer but has patience to master the jet sims . . .

But I liked it. Slightly different feel for Il-2 1946 and Clod, but its nice. Did more research and found a whole new world of forums regarding the DCS world and more sites for that . . . wow, and you guys are right about DCS world competing with Clod.

I made a statement too early . . .

If they get nice 3rd party and a decent Axis counterpart with maps n campaigns, could be some level of awesome . . .

However another interesting scenario DCS presents is to see how the P-51 holds up vs the black shark and the A-10.