Double standards on racism..
 

Now this is a very delicate and very hot topic gents, so please act accordingly.

This morning I was pointed to this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...d-fianc-e.html

and then this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...st_read_module

I have two considerations to do on this:

1)Moore's racism is not the “white of their eyes” trauma of army fighters. He was in the RAF, and even if they didn’t have direct contact with the enemy, you will hear a lot of RAF veterans enormously respecting their former adversaries. One could object that his resentment is driven by the fact that his girlfriend was killed by a German bombing, but if so what does all the rest of his racism have to do with it? He’s an old man, and as you know as you advance with age you’re less scared (or simply don’t care) about the consequences of voicing your opinion. Despite all that he went through (and there are many who lost their loved ones/relatives etc. during the war, but didn’t necessarily develop such racist resentment), it doesn’t change the fact that he sounds like the sub-product of an old fashioned empire racist mentality of the worst kind.

2) A few months ago two women voiced their racist opinions whilst using the public service in London, someone made a video of them and put them on youtube. The thing went viral, the women was arrested and charged for their words.


I don't understand the logic behind publishing on Radio Times an article about a public figure voicing his delirious racist rant and deem it as acceptable and worth sharing on a printed magazine, whilst firmly condemning the words of those women. Am I missing something? :confused:

Patrick Moore is a bore where most of today's rights have simply passed him by. For example his views on women are appalling as well as his views on other subjects as you can see. He simply gets away with it because of his age.

regardless of what i feel on the issue, i think that this thread will go down hill (even further) very quickly, and isn't the best idea you've ever had.

I ain't touching this one with a ten foot barge pole. :D

I'll bring the popcorn, who's got the beer?

I'd suggest that this thread be immediately locked.

Rules here;

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=1874

I'm affraid you are missing something Stern, happens all over the world not just the UK, so there was no need to go down the 'sub-product of an old fashioned empire racist mentality of the worst kind.' because it's more or less showing your own prejudice againt the British.

It's part of the NWO agenda keeping people's fingers pointing at each others' minor acts, and off the real problems of our corporations running our governments. Why the lady got arrested, and not P. Moore, if I had to guess, his is just general talking, and not directly confrontational with an individual, while her's was ranting directly at people.

Pardon my lack of knowledge, but does England have a "1st amendment" like the U.S.? Is freedom of speech "protected?"

Let me quote good ole William S. from Stratford-upon-Avon:
"Much ado about nothing"

synchronicities

amazing arent they?

I think its simply an age thing. Certain people of his age in say 1900 would have had the same sentiments about the French nation. Wars do this sort of long lasting damage to people and alter their whole outlook on the world for the rest of their lifetimes.

Its not racism as most of western Europes indiginous population are the same race, it should be considered perhaps as nationalism which although not tarred with the same brush is just as poisonous.

Modern Germany should be perhaps held up as an example of how a nation should be run.
A well motivated , well educated population with good rewards, rights and freedoms, a very good export led economy and a well conceived democratic system that certainly seems to work.

However personally If I come into contact with any German pensioner aged about 85 or older, I wonder to myself "What were you doing about 70 yrs ago".
This is probably unfair, but just for that moment I am thinking of "that" time, for people of P Moores age "that" time was lived through and is probably in their thoughts every day.

"lest we forget" is quoted at ceremonies and memorials every year, im sure most who lived through the horrors and losses of war just wish they could forget. Afterall its now history, very soon to be outside the living memory of anyone.

Why does all old men disappear into their pants ??

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/...07_634x409.jpg

On which grounds exactly? :confused:

If you can't face this topic, just don't bother. Same goes for the rest of you with smarmy comments: I asked to act with tact and observing forum rules, if you can't handle it, then simply move on.

well this is what I was shown by a British colleague who found the whole thing incredibly ridiculous, all I wonder is where is the logic in the different standards towards the two forms of racism.

As for my statement, it's probably due to his words (and I quote)

"‘We must take care. There may be another war. The Germans will try again, given another chance. A Kraut is a Kraut is a Kraut. And the only good Kraut is a dead Kraut.
‘A German general said to me at the end of the war, “You won two wars. You won’t win the third. And that’s the economic war.” I hope he’s wrong.’ "

and

"‘I’m no European. Why? Go to Europe and look around. The Germans tried to conquer us. The French betrayed us. The Belgians did very little and the Italians made us our ice cream.
‘Just look at the world now and look at it when we had a bigger say in it. The English are best. Stand up for England!’ "

I don't doubt we have similar situations all over the world, and please just take this as an example, but again I was wondering what's the take of people on this, is it a dangerous trend? I mean, imagine the journalist and the editor sitting and discussing about the interview.. should this sort of message be allowed to be published?

I'm happy to confront it with other countries, but then for instance in Italy you have politicians being blatantly racist and sexually biased, but there's no effective law on it, so they get away with it.

I've noticed a lot of this actually.
As an American I'm firmly aware of our English origins. The breadth and might of the British empire was astounding and brought the light of civilization to most of the world. Hard to believe most don't appreciate that.

A thread covering nationalism, racism, sexism, ageism, and politics. What could possibly go wrong?

http://decabo.com/blog/wp-content/up...ng-popcorn.jpg

Hardly, its quite simple, while i do think its an interesting question, do you seriously think that in this forum the thread won't go south, or are you just very naive/trolling?

He's trolling.

Ramblings of a bitter old man. So what? :confused:

@Sternjaeger II

I'll discuss this with you dude, it takes maturity and there's a distinct lack of that type of behaviour round here.

So my opinion is for one, its just the typical Liberal Media machine trying to make a story out of anything, kinda like kids trying to get each other in trouble is how I view the media to be honest

The old guy still cant let go of the pain caused by war, many people cant on both sides or, any side for that matter, present or past, war destroys peoples minds too as well as their bodies, and anyone with any direct experience with war maybe will understand why I know this, wether they care to admit it or not.

I personally feel sorry for the man, because he will take this pain he has in his heart to his grave, this is in most people rationalised by anger and hatred to the people that were once the enemy, which is what he appears to be doing.

The behaviour you see in this man is one of the many effects war has on most human beings, some in the passage of time are able shake away those feelings and be able to forgive not only the enemy, but themselves.
But sadly many cannot, many commit suicide, many destroy their own lives and familes because they are trapped with the memories, feelings or even just the mind-set you have to adopt to stay alive and stay rational in those circustances.

Our Country at present is creating a whole new generation of young men and women that will carry the scars of war on the inside as well as out, just the same as it has done since time began.

A bitter old man says what he thinks, quite understandable with the loss he had and his experiences from the war.
On the other side a plastered woman talking Bull in the subway.
So what? Where is the story?
A bitter old man hates germans, well every Briton hates us every four years (i just say Football World Championship) every British Yellow press Paper has words like "Blitzkrieg", "Tanks" and so on in its vocabulary when it comes to an Football international UK vs. Germany.
Again: so what?

You call that racism? That just proves that you don't have the slightest clue what racism is!
Look at all those jerks from the BNP, The French Front National etc. etc. and then you have a racist.
The most dangerous racists are those guys in 1000 Pound / Euro suits like e.g. Oswald Mosley who talking with their Eton and Cambridge <insert any other Elitist University of your choice here> tongues, these guys talk so eloquently most of us don't even recognize the racism in their words at the first time!

I honestly think you use such "stories" just to speak out your really deep reluctance and prejudice against the UK.
At least it looks like that.

oh it appear to me as he was britis since he was pointing to british mistakes

unsalted popcorn and lukewarm beer?

Sure, it is the new trend. I call this the troll news. :) Daily Mail is not exactly a solid news portal, because it periodically publishes weak, inappropriate and even false stuff. Don't take too much of what they write into your heart, because it is what they want from you.

Lets be honest there is not a single country in the world that is entirely devoid of naive bigots... Same old s***, only the depth changes! ;)

Too many complaints, if you want to continue on this subject do it via PM please.