Disgrace
 

Hi im new to the forums as you can obviously tell i had to register because i wanted to ask the devs what an earth was they thinking when they released this so called flight simulator. I mean were is the rest of it? sort of like reading a book and finding out the last 2 pages our missing. Surely you cant be selling this to the steam community without any warnings of its major flaws that are game breaking in my opinion. Constant ctd/stutter/invisible bombers with icons/flying though trees and buildings/low fps i could go on and on about how many things are not working. I mean surely you must feel embarrased about what your doing to innocent customers how the hell can you run a company like this? As a gamer i have played many games over the years and admit ive bought some that havent been finished in certain ways but my god never one this bad its still in alpha and you sell it on steam for £29.99 i dont know how you can sleep at night knowing you have done this to your fanbase. So as a paying customer i have the right to know what your going to do about it because this is just not acceptable

no dover no cry....
but you can rest assured that they are patching it in two weeks....be sure

Now which previous member could that possibly be??

This post will get deleted soon , but what you say is exactly the world that the devs think doesn't exist. The people that are happy on the forums reflect the entire community.

Wrong.

The people on the forums are only posting because the vocal ones have already been banned.

Welcome to the Open-Alpha test!
You shall be compensated with free entry into the upcoming Open-Beta test. :)

Sigh...
Honestly Bob I do not know a single flight simmer that cannot read reviews. There are plenty of bad reviews out there, simhq etc. For you not to know, well I would not boast about that ;)
You bought what you paid for, it is that simple. It is a relatively good sim with some major glitches. I can honestly say I have bought worse.
But to complain a year after the horse has bolted is rather amusing.
That said a patch that fixes some of your complaints should be out in the next two weeks :grin:

Exercise your statutory rights and get a refund if the product you bought was broken.

If you are truly new to these forums Bob just read the many threads that always descend into this kind of complaint/argument and you'll know that the devs and everybody else is well aware of the problems and what they are doing about it.

If you are 'somebody we know' I suggest the moderators work out a way of preventing new registrations by reference to banned email address, IP or plain ol' smell.

I have four accounts :)
Not that I am the OP author but just indicating how hard it is for a mod to actually identify a previously banned person ;)

No point crying over it anymore. You bought it, you could have easily come to any forum and seen what the problems are. Every forum is filled with unhappy pilots. CTD, stutters, low FPS bla bla. Game is broken no doubt about it, but you made the decision to buy it, no one forced you.

On another note: They have been patching the game over and over and over, with little success to anyone. Its been almost 12 months since its release and for me personally the game is still unplayable.

I have this system:

I7 2600K
12 GB 1600 DDR3 RAM
Asus P8p67 pro board
2xAsus ATI 6970 overclocked to run at 920 mhz
64 GD SSD (with win7 and CoD installed only)

From that system i can play any game on full settings without any stutter or CTD or hitch with a decent 40 FPS. CoD is another story: low alt multiplayer flying 22-36 FPS on high settings with numerous things like grass turned off. High flying multiplayer 32-44 FPS with non stop stutters when i move the view in the cockpit using trackIR. End result? Game sitting on the shelf have not had any decent gameplay at all, only come to check if the new patch has fixed my problem, so far nothing useful.

Lastly these promised patches that would improve performance did bugger all! and now the developers are fixing aircraft performance, seriously? how can i even test performance when i CTD before i get to 8K ALT? or when i stutter like a dog with broken legs... Priorities people, priorities. Fix the dam performance issues 1st then move onto adjusting airplanes. Dont do 2 things at once otherwise neither will be done to a good standard.

P.S Another game that was released broken was RO2, but after the community complained at the developer TWI, the game was constantly patched over and over, but the patches actually worked. It would CTD for me after 15 minutes of play, have terrible frames. Now i can play it for hours on end with 60FPS locked, constantly and not a single problem. They are now picking out bugs from the game AFTER they fixed performance. They got it right, 1C has not...

That is what wonders me the most see my system specs its a lesser CPU and one VGA card but ive got a smooth experience, CTD's are there but not
often. even dust wipped up behind the plane on take of don't bring the system down.
how come these enormus variations between systems that are not to unlike?

But see , you people are criticizing a person you think doesn't exist but alot more do. The OP is just an 'average joe' computer user and is computer and maybe internet illiterate. He brought a hard copy from a store , has no idea about Steam or digital downloading ect ect.

If you were not smoking pots you'd know, what happened to THE game.
Now go back playing Flick Fishing HD, according to reviewers it's a outstanding simulator.

I think you are really lucky...next two weeks you will get 100% the patch we are waiting ...only for 6 months...HERE:shock::roll::mrgreen::cry::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol:..."and that will fix many many issues"...mhuuuaaaaa mhuaaaaaa

It buffles me also. I remember when the games was released people had monster machines that would struggle to run on medium/high settings. At that time i had a Q6600 with 4GB RAM and 4870 card, and i was not getting CTD at all. Given the frames were not great but i could at least play low/medium settings.

Now when i run CoD I check my PC performance on procexp (its like windows task manager but on crack) and looking at it the VGA is around 85% usage , the CPU cores 1+2 are hitting 80-100% constant the other cores are resting from 0-80%. So There are plenty of system resources left. What the problem is i do not know. But i am willing to bet its a memory leak in RAM that is causing all these problems for me. How to fix i dont know.

Looks like they might have you now ;)




well, the Op found his way here quick enough

Sounds like you're running at too high a resolution, have your settings turned up too high or there's something seriously wrong with your system.

I have an old i7 2.6Ghz, 2GB memory, an ancient GTS250 1GB card and all running on XP. Other than regular CTD I'm running very smoothly and getting a good deal of enjoyment from it.

I think people's expectations are far too high. The devs have always stressed that like the original IL2, the sim at release was unlikely to run maxed out on even the latest hardware. The patch should help of course.

For me it was great to hear that Luthier is at last off loading more onto the other cores. I really hope they get tree collision dedicated on one of the cores soon.

:PHi Oleg, so what going on ?

Cool beans I'll Be Waiting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=donVb0RNa1o&feature=fvst

You are one of the lucky ones. What I mean by that is you bought the game when they are about to release a major patch. I'd give it 2 weeks and if the patch doesn't do anything I think many people will join you in your rant. To the people dissing the poster, isn't he is entitled to his opinion if he just bought the game? You are all telling him it's still broken so why doesn't he have a right to complain about his purchase? Why even respond to his posts? If you don't like what he says simply put him on ignore.

"Excusatio non petita, accusatio manifesta" ;)

I find that very hard to believe.

1. Why have you got an i7 (also which one is it? 2500K?2600K? sandybridge?) with other components so outdated?

2. The GTS250 would blow up running this even with everything on low. Its just such an old card. My ATI4870 struggled to run it.

3. 2GB of RAM? really? You can run this game with 2GB ram and enjoy it? Also can you tell us whats the ram like? is it DDR3? DDR2? whats the clocks and the speed on it? In any case, 512 MB set aside for the OS, another 256 for open process leaving u 1.25 GB ram to run CoD. When i run it with my 12GB RAM the game maxes out at 2.87GB of memory used.

I call shenanigans on that post. Its also buffling why would you have an I7 which would be limited by every other component on your system. Just does not make sense.

So if you care please post these things:
I7 core and what edition
What exactly is the RAM
Motherboard
The Vram on the GTS250.
Game Settings.

As for resolution on my system. The computer is forcing the TV to run at full 1080p HD. So the resolution is 1920x1080. However the TV supports also 1920x1200. Furthermore I already posted the resources that the Game uses. The system is not maxed out and there is plenty of headroom with resources that could be used. And even at the lowest settings the stutters are not resolved.

I remain certain that its not me pushing the game or the system, its the memory leak occurring from RAM.

How you mean if i am truly new to these forums? Like i said i registered today to complain about the sim not working how it should do. So therefore i have the right to complain:!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5Qda2HS7X0

RoF, Steam...
Next time he will say he came from DCS forums :grin:

Have fun feeding :grin:

Does seem strange I agree. My i7 is one of the 1st I think so not one with a fancy name. The GTS250 wasn't that old at the time I believe and seemed good value.

I seem to remember the memory was DDR3 but not sure what difference it makes.

I'm at work now but will post my settings later.

I do think it's just down to me running it on 1280 something resolution. With medium settings and no grass/shadows etc. it looks OK to me and I can still enjoy it.

I do plan on upgrading my card, memory and OS after the patch though.

Yeah cool story bro (O_o) btw i come from Jamaica :cool:

You got up at 3 in the morning to register here for a whinge?

And your ISP is from the UK...:rolleyes:

Hmmm cant see the wood for trees this one...

If i run such low res on my TV it just look plain awufull. Even on the 1600 hundreds res there are lots of squares which i hate.

I would think that if you are running an I7 core then you most likely have DDR3 RAM since the Motherboards for I7 typically only support DDR3 RAM. The difference is quite large between DDR2 and DDR3 mainly that DDR2 has 8.5 GB per second bandwidth and DDR3 is 12.8. What that means is faster read/write speeds meaning less time for the processor to get its data.

In any case 2GB of any RAM is limiting the I7 core. The GTS250 were great cards when they got released but you know with time they aged and now are old. Just surprised you are able to run CoD with it.

Your resolution is probably what is saving you from horrible performance, but still if you are getting CTD like me its pointing to RAM memory leak. What i mean by that is this: the Game has a flaw in memory code so that it writes wrong data to RAM or uses a lot of resources, eventually saturating available RAM and creating a dump.

The I7 you have has potential, although i dont know what generation it is. But pretty much all of them are good. If you could get 6GB RAM in your system and a better card Like a GTX480 or an ATI 5970 (bear in mind these are old now, 2 generations old) your system would fly.

I know, but you do not have the right to complain here unless you are Carlos Ray Norris Jr. from Oklahoma :!: We expect him to register this Friday.

Thou spaketh his name.....lord have mercy on our souls the wrath of Chuk will be upon us!!!

The fact i come from Jamaica does not mean i live in Jamaica and why the rage is everything ok at home?

Luthier, Black Six and the rest of the development team better get the patch out by Friday if Chuck Norris is joining the Forum.

(Now I wonder if I've still got those VHS tapes of 'Walker Texas Ranger' about for inspiration!

Yes, I do get regular CTD after 20-40 mins which is a bit limiting to say the least.

Thanks for the advice. I am looking forward to upgrading. So....

Which OS - Win 7 64 Professional or Win 7 64 Ultimate - any benefit for gaming?

Is 6GB RAM enough do you think?

In terms of cards, I'm waiting for the next gen cards to come online and hope for some decent bargains. I guess 2GB+ is best?

Cheers

Stonedraider you seem like a cool guy have you got in any multiplayer games cus my server list has no populated servers? :confused:

How did you get 12 GB into a P8P67?

Those are Double-Channel boards and AFAIK there are no 6 GB sticks on the market. Mixing sticks of different size and specification isn`a good idea either.

Unless you need multilanguage support or bitlocker Win 7 Home Premium is all you really need. As for VRAM, the more the better it seems. Can't wait until I can justify a GFX upgrade myself.
RAM wise 6GB should be plenty, I have 8 myself, but CloD, freetrack, teamspeak and Afterburner all running together use just over 4GB.

OS: Is your preferance, just stay away from Vista at any cost! Win 7 and Win ultimate will have exact same performace in games and dont matter 1 single bit. Just make sure it is a 64 bit system otherwise you wont be able to have more than 4 GB RAM.

RAM: 6 or 8 or more will all be fine. It highly depends on what frequency they are running. I got a deal on 12GB DDR3 RAM running at 1600mhz for 40 quid (GBP its UK monies). 6 or 8 GB would be ideal unless you plan to do some very heavy computing like capturing or folding. Generally games will not exceed 4GB ram use, leaving you plenty for other things to run. Win7 Reserves 1GB to itself. So i would say get 8 or more to future proof yourselves a little. Again RAM modules come in different sizes you can get a module (stick) in different varieties like 1,2,4,6,8 GB. So its up to you. Just make sure they are DDR3 and have a good frequency 1600mhz or more!

Cards: The new generation has been released recently. Nvidia literally released their new card a week ago its the GTX680. And ATI about 2 months ago its the ATI 7970. These are Flagship cards and they come at a cost! You are looking at 400 quid (GBP) at the very least for one of them! If you do have the cash to spend on them then expect to be future proofed for 3-4 years! Otherwise get a generation below, like the GTX580 or ATI 6970, although a generation old they are still very powerful and for me the ATI6970 runs everything i play at full settings. Unfortinantley not CoD though. I still believe the optimization the developers will make will eventually take effect and fix this problem. These cards are also made to run at high resolutions and the Vram you refered to comes really into play only at high res. If you are not going above the 1600 resolutions then 2GB will do the trick just fine. Above that you would want 3GB.

Remember that you would also need to upgrade you PSU (Power Supply Unit). This bit i would not cheap out on, and get a quality unit! 750 Watts should be plenty and give you a little head room for later. Some of the good manufactures of PSU's are Corsair, Cooler Master and Antec.

You can always go to Steam Forums into hardware and OS section and ask for some advice. I've seen many people there asking for advice on what parts they need for their usage. Just dont forget to mention your budget! otherwise people go mental and tell you to buy the most expensive stuff!

Ah yes but you can get 4GB sticks, so 3 x 4 GB dimms would be my guess, I have 4 x 2, but that's because I upgraded from my original 2 x 2 config.

3x4GB modules.

Corsair Vengeance 12GB (3x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Triple Channel Kit (CMZ12GX3M3A1600C9)

Lane 1,3,4. No problems so far. System registers 12GB and has used up to 10.5 at one point. Also iirc had to edit something in the BIOS as per manual.

Great stuff, thanks StonedRaider.:grin:

I have managed to get into a few servers previously, but have not tried in the past 2 weeks (just have not played at all, waiting and hoping on this patch).

The way i fixed this problem before was to disconnect form the internet, close Steam, reconnect, Login and try again. If all that failed (and it did a number of times) I connected directly via IP.

Do you mean you see Servers but with no players? Or no servers at all? Since its monday and working hours here, it just might be that people are busy. wait until around 6-9 PM GMT.

Too bad Stoned but thanks anyway just as long as i know there is nothing wrong at my end. :(

Probably not at your end. Everyone has issues with the Game. Mine have been since the start. It would not hurt for you to post your Specs so we can see if there is 1 specific component that could be limiting everything else, giving bad preformance. It might not be, after all my PC is in shape but still struggles.

Of course it works, but you probably cut down the performance (and maybe the stability) of your rig.

See here:

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Int...P8P67_PRO/#MSL

Asus obviously recommends using either 1, 2 or 4 banks, while using only one is single channel. I would guess with using 3 banks, you forced the board into single-channel mode too.

Triple channel works only on boards supporting it, with the P8P67 series not being amongst them.

I had the exact same specs as Sutts, with the exception of a 1gb GTS260 and also had less trouble running the game than I do now after upgrading.
These days I have a 2500k, Win7 64 bit, 16gb DDR3 and a GTS 450, but my fps are clamped at 24/27 frames per minute on both low settings and high. Fps are identical when downsizing resolutions too. I'm hoping the upcoming patch will make the thing viable at last.

Have not noticed any performance issues. i7 is running at 4.5 with Vcore 1.360 (can not remember it, been a while since i set it) set in BIOS. Numerous 4 hour long stress tests and no errors.

So you suggest i take out a module and use lane 1 and 3 with 8GB to get better performance?

Core i5 2500K 3.30GHz @ 4.40GHz 4 gig memory HD 6970 OC 2048MB GDDR5
windows7 64bit 1920x1080

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Whats the RAM type? frequencies please. 4GB is a little low, unless its uber fast RAM

I run on the same resolution 1080p have same issues as you.

Well,

I think you should try to ask Asus support, what the board is doing with 3 used banks. As I said before, I guess it runs on single channel mode, which costs you between 5 to 10 % of performance.

You could benchmark your RAM in both configs too.

That RAM is good, BUT 4GB does seem a little low. I think if you could get another 4GB of the same RAM your system would thank you. Otherwise your build is good. Which leads me to continue thinking that the CTD and all the glitches are caused primerally by mem leaks.

I could ask Asus support but i doubt they would want to help me much.

5-10% performance is not a big diddlio for me. But i think the better sollution is to just buy another module of the same RAM making it up to 16GB. Problem solved right? As it will be using all 4 lanes. Or am i missing something.

I don`t know much about triple-channel RAM (never had a board using it), you have to find out, if your RAM supports double-channel too. If so, you are right, get another stick.

Yes i might invest in another 4gig and thanks for your help Stoned :cool:

If that Cpu is overclocked then you will lose the overclock if you add more then 4gb ram.

I would not be adding more than 4GB since the other modules are also 4GB. And do you mean if I add 4GB to the 12GB already in the MoBo making it 16GB or if I take 4GB out making it 8GB?

In anycase i can overclock the CPU again after a CMOS reset to the same specs.

I am saying if you have more then 4gb of ram in your pc and your cpu is overclocked, then you lose the overclock, that's what I was told when I purchased an i7 930 and overclocked it to 4.0ghz.

Ah got ya now. Not sure if that is the case across all the i7's but will take that into account. Not a big deal, CPU overclocking is very easy nowdays. And will keep a note of the current settings.

You might be right ;)

Nope, I think not :)

I'm quite sure the developer would never have released the sim in this state unless they had no other choice. It was either release what was done, and finish it later, or cancel it. There plan obviously wasn't to scr#w us over. If it was they would have shut down the development soon after release. Luthier apologized for the state of the sim and I doubt he thought the sim would be delayed this long and require a rewrite of the graphic engine to gain the much needed performance.

What do you mean by "losing the overclock"? :confused:

hi Bob,

I meant no offence. I suppose after a year of all the threads and discussions (aka arguments) we're likely to get a bit tetchy over someone suddenly coming through the door firing both barrels. There are many many posts flaming CoD and we've just heard it all before. Its coming good slowly. We just need to be patient - which suggestion will no doubt drag this thread down into another ragfest about why we should/shouldn't. Most threads get dragged into that unfortunately :(

You'll also gather from several posts that there a small number of posters that are a right pain in the ar$e to the point they get banned and re-appear in some other disguise.

Anyway, as the other guys are saying you need at least 4Gb RAM, I would say 6Gb. Your 250 card is on a par with the minimum spec 8800, see here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ew,3107-7.html
so you won't get great results from it :(

Your i7 will be fine and you can overclock it with 4-6Gb RAM (I don't know that there is a RAM limit for overclocking?).

Threads started on a negative note seem to continue tirelessly.

This thread is locked, because will just enable a bunch of guys to get themselves worked up and get banned.