Can we help Clod? Yes!
 

Hey guys

Anyone care to review the game to give it more stars? It is not getting reviews from the player base that matters. Only those ***** ***** **ats we deal with every-day.

http://www.amazon.com/IL-2-STURMOVIK...4832265&sr=1-1


Ps Frustrated with the situation on our forums also, you may have guessed...

Honestly, I don't think that CloD in its current state actually deserves more then 2-3 stars. Especially if you're more interested in offline gameplay. I initially gave it 3 stars when it was released, and that was a rather benign decision based on hope and trust in the developer.

The 5-star "reviews" IMO are just as daft as the 1-star ones.

Hopefully BlaxkSix creates a real good scripted campaign for BoM. Like Desastersoft did for CloD.

I think two stars is generous as things stand atm

I think you mean 'twats' btw

And atm means 'at the moment'

Ben

Worth waiting for fixes like working COOP, write new reviews and organise a campaign for voting them useful then here.

Giving it 3 stars in it's current state if generous. Giving it 2 stars in the state it was released in would be way too generous. This is not what one would call a finished game, in any sense of the word "finished" as it is lacking in every single aspect without exception.

Numerous Bugs
Performance Issues
Gameplay Options
Hardware Support
Documentation. . .

The list could go on, but that's not really helping anyone. The devs know what needs to be done (at least I hope they do) and it's in their hands, if they want to give us the game we asked for (in a completed state) or just do a shoddy patch-job and move on to another 1/2 finished project (BOM).

Thank-you all for replies, I agree with what has been said for the most part, im not sure i should have posted this today in hindsight.

It is a simple thing though for our comunity to stick together, many people here would like the sim to succeed and spend many hours on the forums or checking them for updates.

That kind of dedication is testament to how many of you feel about Clod and not to mention people like Banks, Ateros, and heinkill along with many others. Without them my copy still wouldnt have been used for more than half an hour in the last year. (Just giving credit where its due).

This is a serious sim for serious people, i just wanted that to be put across in my review and thought others may too... dont have to if you dont agree. :)

Edit* Good idea Ateros, maybe i will when i have tested the new patch.

I would review after a successfull patch but I wouldn't mislead potential purchasers as to what it is at present. I imagine that a lot of people here have used reviews in the past to influence purchasing decisions and just giving it a rosy glow to try and boost sales would be flat wrong imo.

Giving positive or perfect reviews for a flawed and incomplete product would only be tricking people into buying something that they will invariably dislike, and add to the already large pile of negative reviews on the net. What we want are people to be honest, give accurate reviews that accurately represent what is wrong with the product so that the devs can see what people want, and then hopefully begin fixing or adding that.

Last thing they need is more smoke being blown up their asses. They already get plenty of that here, as well as the verbal fellatio they receive every time they post 3 or more pictures of Russian huts and fences. If all they ever hear is, "OH MY GOD! Clod is perfect, you are all perfect, we love you!" Then they'll just assume they have in fact made a good game (not the case) and will just move on to making another of the same quality.

Wait! :( That's already happened, and is happening again! :evil:

Yep. Hold your guns until after the patch and I mean the OFFICIAL patch, not the beta. That's what new members are going to see.

Wanting to support the game, and wishing it well, and crediting those who have helped and actively supported it are all good. Call it the crutch credit :)

But launching a thread with a provocative title and calling critics twats doesn't help the cause much. It's brief and to the point, though, i'll give you that :)

I'd say too many of the hardcore fans do this, but that wouldn't help the cause much either.

Equally, giving it a higher score than it deserves helps no-one. Two stars is more than enough. If the patch is very good and maybe contains a few pleasant surprises then it might justify those two stars, maybe even lurch towards three, given no dynamic campaign, dynamic weather, or sense of a game, or immersion, or a BOB.

The sense of frustration is wide-spread on all sides. Quite a lot is riding on the patch.

Ben

No one needs to drum up support for it. Either they will or wont. This is a very small community. Not a large one. Never has been not even close. Probably the smallest market share there will ever be! It is what it is. Made by people with a passion. The core players are the same.

can i delete this post?
 

Regrets opening mouth.

No need to! Someone else will post the same thing later we can just link to them this one to refer to :)

There are a lot of people that post bad reviews on Amazon, even for awsome games. Even Rise of Flight got bad reviews on Amazon. I was shocked by the crap some people expect from games.
In the CLOD case tho, we can't honestly argue with bad reviews at this point.:(

My kids/teenagers/adult, over the last 18 months have acquired £5,000 worth of PC/console titles they never play any more due to.

1. Didn't work/too many bugs/unsupported by developers.

2. Rubbish content/finished in one week/bad scripting.

3. Poor gameplay/adaptation/ripoff.

4. Boring/dumb/senseless.

5. Too complicated/unintuitive/frustrating.



They are surprised/amazed/dumbfounded by the fact I still fly IL2 after 10+ years, and we get to interact with the developers for all this time.

They have games that were dumped by the devs after 3 months. and these are main stream titles at £40.00 a pop lasting only weeks before being shelved.

IMO

If you are going to review anything review the whole product including support.


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Normal, though.
A console game offers 20-40 hours of entertainment, once you beat it you could as well sell it immediately.
Only the GTA offered several hundred hours - if you like the plot that is.

Your household spends as much on video games in a year as an average family in Turkey makes? First world problems right here!

I have stopped buying games since getting back into these flight sims.

Now to get that BF 109 control stick KG 13A for my cockpit done...

EDIT http://www.cockpitinstrumente.de/ins...oss/KG13c8.gif This Is a "C" Not "A"

I said acquired.



There was a French company ...... Tarmac Aces that built KG13 sticks for simming.

If they are no longer trading try > http://www.taffe.de/53958996b41421a0...107/index.html



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You might have a very long wait for that stick.

I think you can tell by some of the 5 star ratings in there that some of the flight sim community tried to make it look good already. Those reviews tell the truth about it's current state and will hopefully deter them from ever releasing a game in such an awful state again. I am still not convinced that this patch will bring it upto a five star rating yet, I think this patch release will be how it should have been released in the first place with more patches to follow. I think then it will be 5 stars, but I think that's another 6 months off. I will write a review when the game is fixed and not until, it would be totally out of order to lie to people and would let other developers make the same mistakes.

So are they stealing these games or just doing sexual favours for them?

What a nice person.

Holy Crap! If there ever was a call for a lifetime ban....there it is. Anyone that talks smack about kids like that, should not be here. (I have 2 kids, obviously he doesn't have any)

when someone says i "acquired" something....that generally means they goT it through a means that they dont feel comfortable talking about....

i know when i was a teenager i "acquired" alot of amercrombie & fitch jackets and other apparel from that store (most of it by the way ended up breaking, and was of low quality....yea cloths that cost normally 100$ breaking, zippers breaking, metal buttons breaking)


sorry you have children and were offended by his statement perhaps grow some thicker skin...or maybe move out of a country that has free speech if you dont want to be offended....

Say's the person which just, by his own account, is on his way, to kill some people to be free of the "steam-tyranny"!

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...t=31259&page=3

you neglect to say im off to kill my slave masters.....


also by loading magazines i mean my reading material in to my luggage....way to comprehend then again if english isnt your first language then i can understand the misunderstanding....

Whatever.

This is really a great sim for those of us that can use it right now, sometimes very hard to stay away from it:cool:...I'm sorry for you all who can't enjoy it, but things will get better soon.:grin:

No one cares to look at ratings of a game before they buy it. In fact todays post was the first time I looked at it and I have 800 hours clocked in this sim.

We have couple of factions that are upset that they cannot get what they want in this sim now and or they were promised some dumb aircraft and they are babied up and showing signs of vaginal irritation.

No different than any other product or service out there. Not going to please everyone.

just tried making a BOB mission in IL2 4.11 couldnt fly in the 110C couldnt fly any spitfire I or II

Ty for the info.

So...just to be clear: You think asking a respected member of the forum if his kids acquired video games by doing "sexual favors" is acceptable? If that's the case, let me exercise my free speech by saying, you are a complete and utter douchebag. I might get banned for that, but it's worth it for that level of scum_baggery.

Wow obviously you have no kids. Big time kudos for Alpha not going old school gangsta.

asking if ones children "acquired" something through sex, is quite mild...its not like the guy is literally accusing him of having his children as sex workers...i mean if a simply question offends you that much then you perhaps have other more internal problems about you...

i mean if the answer is a simple NO then who cares...

if someone asks "are you a rapist" are you going to get all mad and storm off (as if the statement was true) or would calmly say no im not...cuz you know in your heart that its not true....unlike alot of the brown shirts here...


seriously guy get a clue...also i dont want you banned or sanctioned i actually believe in free speech....

whats the old saying "you dont catch flak unless you are over the target"

It is very clear that you don't have children, only then could you understand the gravity of the question. I am guessing you are young and without much integrity or maturity, so this conversation is pointless. Hiding behind the cloud of free speech when it comes to child sex, is generally not accepted in the world, let alone a flight sim forum.

"Hiding behind the cloud of free speech when it comes to child sex, "

so defending the guy for simply asking a question, which was probably half in jest, questioning the language the poster used the word "acquired" is generally not used when something is gained in a lawful manner...his question , was not an accusation so their is nothing to get all upset about...if the question was in fact an accusation then yea my jaw would have dropped, and it would have been pretty insensitive, among others things, but that is not what happened here...


also who is allowed to ask such questions in regards to this topic??? only the police and govt, a judge, a lawyer?? seriously guy you are a joke....

what did a famous patriot say once? those who give up freedom for security, deserve and will receive neither....

so yea you can MAYBE attempt to be secure from your own frustration in response other peoples speech...but in reality that will never happen...so just deal with freedom....unless you hate freedom, then you might as well move to N korea since they would love to step on your face with their jackboots...


Hiding behind the cloud of free speech when it comes to child sex, is generally not accepted in the world

actually you are wrong again, and this time its not just your opinion that is wrong...the courts in the usa protect the "speech" and rights of those who make child sex comics and animated or drawn type things i would say art but its not art...take some classes on the constitution like i did..


but dont get me wrong someone actually goes and harms a child, if im able to i would be out for blood, and im sure im not alone in this regard...


in this case with the individual asking a simple question, regarding the ambiguous nature of the language he used no one was harmed no children, no animals. no ones property was damaged or stolen, no ones rights were infringed upon....so dont get all upset over nothing, split milk as it may be...

O.k.....the fact that you know this actually scares me a little bit. That info might be handy if your defending a pedifile or someone caught with child pornography. Can't you get it through your head that jokes, insinuations, etc. about a members child having sex for video games isn't acceptable here? Forget Free speech, how about a little common sense and decency? God I hope you don't live in my neighborhood...

all i can say about where this thread has ended up is WTF!!!

keep it up with the fallacy i guess taking classes in law and the constitution in college makes me a bad person nice try keep up with the fallacious veiled personal attacks....right now you are basically accusing me of being such a person
you didnt just pose the question you are literally accusing me...nice job hypocrite....you really proved your point with your hypocrisy....

It goes to show that a good education isn't a replacement for common sense. Decency and tact is something that you can't teach I suppose, you either have it, or you don't. I will take having a family and common sense and decency over an expensive education that leaves me alone, talking about the virtues of being allowed to draw pictures of children having sex.

the big question is... how does this help with Clod?

Those reviews are from people that paid for the game.
Who matters more then that?

Not necessarily. Anyone can write an Amazon review...

Right on.

On topic : I can`t recall what I gave this game on metacritics but I think it was a 7. Because it gives me exactly the same amount of fun any other type of a 7 note game gives. Merely average, sometimes belowe average. If there was a 0,5 point system I`d give 6,5, if there was a 0-100% system I`d give it 67%.

For a fan it is a good game with a future. For a newcomer a boring bugfest. Why people need to lie in either of the directions is beyond me.

"Off Topic" anyone?

"Hollywood views regular people as children, and they think they're the smart ones who need to tell the idiots out there how to be."
Trey Parker

I think we may be seeing this daily in our forums.

Apologies for straying off topic guys....Back on Topic: I haven't reviewed COD on any sites yet. As soon as they announce that any further patches will only be available by purchasing BOM and merging the installs, then I will review it. I will review it based on what the game is with just the one purchase. I suspect it will still only be half a game with it's strength being multiplayer. Hope I'm wrong.

yep, if this patch fixes Clod, people will probably re-review the game.

and single player is all well and good, but nothing compares to fighting a human opponent.

I never played il2fb single player, i haven't played Clod single player.

so for me, i would do a review assuming people would play it for the multiplayer... and maybe use the single player just to train and practice, since AI, however intelligent it is, is still dumb, and is for every game.

but as the game stands right now i'd probably give it around 60% too... because it seems about 60% complete :P

I don't think people will re-review the game and I also don't think it's necessary or helpful.

The release was... not so great. But generally the content it offers for beginners / newcomers is close to zero and the content it offered for veterans was close to zero as well. It was an update in terms of graphics, physics etc. but it also lacked what the real strength's of the series were.

So all in all they need the bad reviews to get working and fix the parts that are broken. Most enthusiasts bought the game anyways and the newcomers just plagued the stores that sold it to them for refunds, I'm sure.




I'd say let's save the re-reviewing for the next sequel / add-on thingy.

And what possible motivation would they have to post a review on Amazon for a product they don't own? If you think it's happening just so the anti's could drag it down into the mud then you need to make yourself a tinfoil hat to keep the government mind control from taking over your brain.

The same reason they post here and don't. You seem kinda new but as usual I doubt it - don't take offense if you really are new. Take it as a badge of honor.

Looking at the reviews it looks like it has 6 people that gave it a perfect 5 stars and 5 people giving it 4 stars. That shows you how ridiculous the user review system is. COD might evolve to 5 star quality in a decade or so, but right now it is 2.5 to 3 stars at best.

how does that make a 'user' review system ridiculous?

it's entirely up to users how many stars they want to give, if a user gives 5 then that user feels it deserves it......otherwise it would be called the Force10 review system

imo 2 stars max currently. It would be 1 star if I included dev-community communications/promises/rip off factor.

Ouch! That stings...but I will take shot at explaining. If you look closely, you will see all 6 5 star reviews are dated yesterday and today, oddly the same time this thread was posted. They are not actually reviewing the game on it's merits, it's basically an attempt to sucker our fellow gamers into buying something under false pretenses. They are just toting the developer party line and throwing fellow simmers under the bus. I guess I will have to give it a 1 star review to give some balance back to this charade.

Here is a review from today that sums things up:


"Beware the newest reviews for this produce claiming all has been fixed by patches. The "next patch" was supposedly in "final testing stages" according to the head dev Luthier well over 6 MONTHS AGO and still isn't released.

These new 5 star reviews are a sham that originated at the 1C forums to bring up the average and trick customers into believing the game is fixed. For proof see the following link..."

I have highlighted in bold a part that is a fiction, this is really just a case of the exact same thing you are claiming but used for malice, I noticed the apparent link to proof is missing too

Sure are obsessed over good P.R. this is prima facie evidence that there is an axe to grind.

While we are on the subject of toting the party line what about Rudolf Hess?? He tossed everyone under a double-decker bus. http://www.popartuk.com/g/l/lgpp3171...phy-poster.jpg

Ok...I guess you can't be taken seriously then. You think that it's just fiction or a "coincidence" that after this thread appeared, six 5 star reviews showed up at the site. That six people all of the sudden became "5 star happy" with this sim, just after this thread showed up asking people to post positive reviews.

Looks like your blinders are securely bolted on, and all sense of reality is gone.

If the game becomes worthy of a good rating, I'll happily give it a good rating.

But the unfortunate truth is that right now, the game is awful and definitely not deserving of more stars. Heaping praise on a product that's mediocre at best is dishonest. It's the way the world works: Maddox Games released a shoddy product and they're learning what happens when companies release shoddy products.

No it's not surprising that a few people acted on the advice of the OP, the fiction part is what I highlighted and the claim to a link for proof.

What's with all the drama queen accusations of blinkers and reality all about?

That was my review. Link was to this thread but they are apparently deleted when reviews are submitted.

Did it to offset the half a dozen or so "5 star omg best game evar" reviews that popped up.

Don't review based on what you want/hope/think it will be a year from now.

Review based on what the game IS, or hold off till it's a legit 5 star...

MG fanboys said when the game released "stop crying the game will be amazing a year from now".. etc.

This is a year from release and the game is still fubar.

Can't agree or judge the game simply because I have held off from buying Clod and haven't played it yet after reading about all the issues it has. Waiting to see what the new Patch will be like for forum users before buying into Clod.

Have recently returned by loading up 1946 for some fighter action. It's still a worthwhile fly. Will be looking into a new Graphic Card purchase too. Hope the new Patch is going to settle some accounts.

I'm still not sure why anybody needed to bother offseting any of the 5 star reviews, it's not like there was a majority of them.
So do guys like you think the best way to get this sim moving along is to damage sales so the company goes under and everybody is left with an unfinished game and no future development?

Because the game is in 1 star condition.

I held off a year from making that review hoping the game would be fixed. At some point enough is enough.

If you want to make bogus reviews about how fine and polished the game is go ahead.

I'm sure Luthier loves that you are so happy to wait indefinitely. I on the other hand want the patch that he claimed was in "the final stages of testing" 6 months ago.

Nothing new in 6 months except the old standard "new bug, need more time, here's some 3d models of upcoming expansion".

Not so much 'happy' to wait, I just have faith that the solution is being worked on so theres little choice but to wait, but dealing with things like you have done is sensless, it's like a bad break up where the jilted party just keeps on and on at the ex with insults and slander, telling everyone what a bitch she is instead of moving on with their lives.

I note that asking to put positive reviews on the provided link may have backfired a bit. There are more negative reviews put up to dispell the positive ones.

I gave a 1 star game a 1 star rating a full year after it was released and warned that the last reviews were a ploy to increase the rating. This is obvious since they were all posted the same day as this thread. 1 year and this game is STILL 1 star quality.

You want people to rate the game based on your opinion of what it MIGHT be several months and patches from now.

Take off the rose-colored glasses, it's been a year now. If you don't think this game deserves a bad rating A WHOLE YEAR after release you are too far gone to convince.


6 months since the last sign of progress and you still have faith?

Enjoy your wait.

Wasted enough time here tonight as it is. Back to Battlefield 3.

I didn't ask anyone to rate anything, I personally think this whole business is childish.

You sound like a petulant child, quite a pathetic example of humanity.

If the devs had taken our money and pulled the plug then I'd be the first one to step up and give the company a bad rating. As it happens they are working very hard to deliver and have shown in prior patches what they're capable of - look at the way sound improved.

When I see a team working hard to improve a product, I think they deserve support, especially when there are so few other companies willing to put the effort into producing the high fidelity sims we crave.

If you read my review there are no lies in there - I've highlighted the good and bad things and left the reader to make up their own minds. I've explained the need for good hardware and suggested waiting for the next patch reviews.

What you have left on the amazon site is childish and damaging. If you have so little respect for 1c and their product then I suggest you sod off and go back to your console games.

Tricking your fellow gamers into buying something based on what it "might" be is wrong. The performance patch might be the last one for COD and they could force you to buy the next product for further fixes. This would be bad for people like me that have COD running pretty smoothly now and are waiting for all the other fixes.

If you read my review it was an honest appraisal, no trickery involved. CloD isn't completely broken and many of us are getting hours and hours of quality time on it.

Please explain to me how denying 1c continuing sales by saying their product is complete crap and unusable is going to help you, me and everyone else who already own the product? Short sighted petty mindedness.

Because it is completley unusable for most of the offline flying crowd and has been for a solid year. It may be decent for online dogfight stuff but for co-op and offline play it's porked. It has been porked for a year now. With all of the things broken in this game, can you honestly say it's a 5 star game per your rating? I am not suggesting denying 1c sales...just delaying them until they fix most of the showstopping bugs. If we keep encouraging people to buy crap, crap is what they will keep shoveling on us because our standards keep getting lower.

I play it mostly offline, it's a great distraction firing up a quick mission and shooting stuff down, some people are saying no c0-op is what stops them playing online and just stick to offline.

it's just a game, why are people becoming so militant about it?

You probably never were the target buyer for this game anyway.

Sums up pretty well where some whiners come from.

Wow, careful not to fall off from up there.

That's right ...unless you have a shrine to Oleg in your backyard (with a Xerox of luthiers face taped over the top) you shouldn't be here. You must denounce all other forms of gaming and attack those that are not happy with not being able to play for a year. (a pic in your sig proudly displaying your collectors edition is a must)

Carguy said:

>>Sums up pretty well where some whiners come from. <<

So tell us (since you are a whiner) where do they come from?

Careful. I got a ridiculous amount of infraction points for saying stuff like this.

You are just mad because anyone who reads what I posted will realize your wall of text praising this game is BS. You repeatedly stated that "this weeks patch" should fix this bug and that bug, double frame rates, etc.

Unless you have a crystal ball and know that a patch is coming soon and will live up to those promises your review is misleading.

This is the same patch that Luthier claimed was in final testing stages 6 months ago.

I don't even own a console but I find it amusing that you believe your opinion is more valid than someone who does.

It says more about your lack of intelligence and character than it does about me.

Sorry I didn't realize I was only allowed to play simulators. On the other hand unless WWII pilots lagged like hell when shooting at enemy planes and randomly crashed every half hour or so this isn't really an accurate sim anyway.

I also play Il2 1946, Rise of Flight, World of Tanks, Silent Hunter 3 & 4, Team Fortress 2, Arma II, Diablo III beta, Skyrim, rated tournament Chess, and many more...

My opinion is obviously invalid because I never play flight simulators :rolleyes:

wow 2.510 views its been a great success and you have all been great sports btw. But until next time this should keep you all going :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkfVd...eature=related

I still think even if they don't put out any more content for the battle of Britain, and even if we have to pay for the next thing, what alternative is there? just quit playing sims all together?

I won't say its a good thing making people pay to use a product they already paid for, and if this next patch fixes the game, then it's not an issue.

the thing is, since nobody else has released a game near this ones potential, I'll do what i can to keep it alive, since i love ww2 combat sims.

this next patch coming out seems to me is gonna replace a lot of the game, hopefully that means it fixes it.

I hope the game becomes another il2fb, but if we have to pay 60$ for 1 map and 5 or 6 different planes (variants don't count) every expansion pack i don't think it will...

AKA_Tenn said:

>>I still think even if they don't put out any more content for the battle of Britain, and even if we have to pay for the next thing, what alternative is there?<<

Playing other flight sims/games? Sticking to IL46, waiting for others to come out...? Waiting for this to be playable before buying the sequel? Not buying any further products from this company - if things are not fixed - on principle? Plenty of options.

Sure, there is somethign to be said for supporting genres (and developers) but equally, there's somethign to be said for accepting things at face value and not accepting any old half-finished dishwater (though penty on here have shares in crystal balls, and rosy futures).

Clearl, the devs are wading through a morass of old granny's-knitting-basket code and there is no clear sign that they will be able to sort it all out. The signs are that they will probably keep mending and patching - for a while - and that things may keep breaking. And that's before we get to having dynamic weather/dyn campaign, or even a BOB game 9(ue comments about the community 'stepping in' to provide all this, from the crystal ball gazers)

It depends how extensive the graphics code re-write is, and how well it fits in with the rest of the code. All unknowns.

Basically, it depends how long you're willing to keep waiting, and whether you think BoB will be dropped like an anchor as soon as is feasible.

Lots of tea-leaves to read.

Ben

hmm what i was saying was... untill something better comes out (and nothing else has, in this era of flight) all we can really do is wait, and support what there is now, until someone else presents us with something better to support.

il2'46 is already past its potential, why would the company that made it make Clod if it wasn't?

i keep forgetting if i just put sim, and don't specify the era, and genre everyone assumes i mean all sims, including racing, boating, trains, farming, etc... not just the type that Clod is...

I`m affraid it is painfully irrelevant to the stance many people set for this game. Many users have simply chosen to crash what is left from this title with sheer negativity. Some post that crap here even if they got their refund months ago. You just have to put up with them. They can only see the end of their own noses.

IMO CloD as a project failed miserably at the point it wanted to become not an upgrade of IL2, but a whole new invention. No matter how you trust 1C, you have to take the facts into account. Polls say everything about how many percent of CloD buyers play it often. And a whole year after it got released, even the bigest fan has to become skeptical at some point.

People keep comparing this title to the Rise of Flight and keep promoting it here depsite all the differences. Go figure.

Carguy said:

>>I`m affraid it is painfully irrelevant to the stance many people set for this game. Many users have simply chosen to crash what is left from this title with sheer negativity. <<

It crashes quite enough by itself...

>>Some post that crap here even if they got their refund months ago. You just have to put up with them. They can only see the end of their own noses.<<

Some can't even see that far...

>>IMO CloD as a project failed miserably at the point it wanted to become not an upgrade of IL2, but a whole new invention.<<

Well I'll be damned....that might just account for a bit of the negativity, no?

>>No matter how you trust 1C, you have to take the facts into account. <<

At long last, hosannahs, hallelujahs....do we see a softening....is there light at the end of the tunnel...?

>>Polls say everything about how many percent of CloD buyers play it often. <<

Yes, so stop shooting them down when they want to make their opinions heard. It is fully justified.

>>And a whole year after it got released, even the bigest fan has to become skeptical at some point.<<

You're learning, you're learning....even at the expense of most of your previous posts, and earlier sentences within this post.

This sums up the dilemma of the die-hards...now they have no choice but admit it's largely a broken mess...but they're damned if they're ging to let anyone else point out on their own terms. No, far too grown up for that.

>>People keep comparing this title to the Rise of Flight and keep promoting it here depsite all the differences. Go figure. <<

Yes, for both wrong reasons. And Plenty of people say 'it was a mess, too, on release, now look at it. So Clod will be fine'. ROF is used as a football by everybody on whichever side.

TEARS! :mad::confused::sad::shock:

I have not played in so long. Do you still have to put 10,000 rounds into a plane to destroy it?

Dear, Easter bunny

Will you help the 1C Devs fix this would be great simulator please.