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highness 03-28-2012 11:04 AM

N680GTX has just made my il2cod "flyable"
 
just my 2cents:

i have been using a 295GTX for the last 2-3 years, and today i have decided to upgrade and picked up an MSI N680GTX

so, with the current version of il2cod and the 295GTX i was having an average of 7-15fps and annoying stutters with the following settings (see the screen below), flying or doing anything in the sim was just impossible and with lower settings it was just looking ugly:

http://i.imgur.com/YEgjk.jpg

now, with the N680GTX and the same settings as above, i am having an average of 19-38 FPS! and i just couldn't believe how nearly smoothly it was running, the performance improvement was really really MAJOR here! it became nearly stutterless and, now definitely PLAYABLE/FLYABLE...

so far, i no longer need to wait for the new patch as i got my il2cod "fixed" somehow.. :grin:

my other system specs are: i5 (oclocked to 4ghz), 8gb ram, win7 64bit

Meusli 03-28-2012 11:58 AM

Good to hear, you will be very impressed wit the next patch though. Maybe you could tune a the highs to very high.

Winger 03-28-2012 12:02 PM

Agree to OP here. Put in an 680GTX in my rig too yesterday. 2560x1500 with everything to high and pretty smooth gameplay. Now if the patch makes whats its said to be doing CloD will be my next spare time filler and i can hopeyfully finally wave goodbye to the well done but "biased to hell an back FM- game" ROF.

Winger

ZaltysZ 03-28-2012 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winger (Post 403607)
Agree to OP here. Put in an 680GTX in my rig too yesterday. 2560x1500 with everything to high and pretty smooth gameplay. Now if the patch makes whats its said to be doing CloD will be my next spare time filler and i can hopeyfully finally wave goodbye to the well done but "biased to hell an back FM- game" ROF.

Winger

Oh, just wait for La5s in sequels. :cool:

highness 03-28-2012 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meusli (Post 403606)
Good to hear, you will be very impressed wit the next patch though. Maybe you could tune a the highs to very high.

the "highs" were the highest settings available

hc_wolf 03-28-2012 01:11 PM

I have a avg 85 fps on my rig. never drops below 58.

If i put vsync on i get 60fps and never below 58.

I run same full settings. power is in the i7

zapatista 03-28-2012 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZaltysZ (Post 403610)
Oh, just wait for La5s in sequels. :cool:

the RoF are canned and scripted FM's, with their current game core it wont get any better then what it is now, and/or has been in the past

zapatista 03-28-2012 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by highness (Post 403601)
now, with the N680GTX and the same settings as above, i am having an average of 19-38 FPS! and i just couldn't believe how nearly smoothly it was running, the performance improvement was really really MAJOR here! it became nearly stutterless and, now definitely PLAYABLE/FLYABLE...

nice, good to see the major gfx card upgrade made such an improvement :) am just slightly concerned you are qualifying your statement with the "nearly smoothly" it was running and "nearly stutterless"

for a 500$ card with 2gb vram, i'd expect/hope it would run smooooooth and flawless in all circumstances (over city, with large plane formations and close formation flying, flying through hangars, and with dust/smoke)

we need that gfx patch !!

ATAG_MajorBorris 03-28-2012 01:38 PM

Hey highness, I noticed you had the model detail set to high, try original, its probably the last setting you want move down. You should notice the cockpits and planes are improved with little performance hit:)

Let us know if its better for you;)

addman 03-28-2012 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zapatista (Post 403621)
nice, good to see the major gfx card upgrade made such an improvement :) am just slightly concerned you are qualifying your statement with the "nearly smoothly" it was running and "nearly stutterless"

for a 500$ card with 2gb vram, i'd expect/hope it would run smooooooth and flawless in all circumstances (over city, with large plane formations and close formation flying, flying through hangars, and with dust/smoke)

we need that gfx patch !!

This would be reality if the game was optimized and working properly but it isn't so don't expect it to run smoothly in "all circumstances". If a code has enough flaws in it not even brute force will overcome some things, like smoke and particle effects in this case. If the patch delivers up to 100% performance increase in average and minimum FPS then the 680 will kick some serious b*tt, so will also many lower tier graphic cards.

ZaltysZ 03-28-2012 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zapatista (Post 403620)
the RoF are canned and scripted FM's, with their current game core it wont get any better then what it is now, and/or has been in the past

This is so irrelevant. You have missed the word "biased" in post of Winger. If he thinks that RoF is biased towards Allies, then I wonder what he will think when La5s will be appearing in IL2 sequels.

highness 03-28-2012 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MajorBoris (Post 403622)
Hey highness, I noticed you had the model detail set to high, try original, its probably the last setting you want move down. You should notice the cockpits and planes are improved with little performance hit:)

Let us know if its better for you;)

thanks for the advice, will try

Quote:

Originally Posted by hc_wolf (Post 403619)
I have a avg 85 fps on my rig. never drops below 58.

If i put vsync on i get 60fps and never below 58.

I run same full settings. power is in the i7

damn! im gonna get the i7 i think

Winger 03-28-2012 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZaltysZ (Post 403610)
Oh, just wait for La5s in sequels. :cool:

Ill just fly them then:P Just like i started to fly allied porsches in ROF. No matter wich side. Its just stupid to favor one side over the other if i am a developer. Sadly seems to be common in Flightsims.

Winger

Winger 03-28-2012 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hc_wolf (Post 403619)
I have a avg 85 fps on my rig. never drops below 58.

If i put vsync on i get 60fps and never below 58.

I run same full settings. power is in the i7

I can not agree here. I had a I7 2700 before, when i still had my GTX 480 running and i have it now. The big performanceboost came from the graphicscard with no doubt.

Winger

jcenzano 03-28-2012 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zapatista (Post 403620)
the RoF are canned and scripted FM's, with their current game core it wont get any better then what it is now, and/or has been in the past

OT:

And what do you expect? FM based on extensive flight tests?

There is so little info about how those aieplanes flew. Modern flight test data comes from the 50s or 60s. And I mean "modern". In WWII era the did have flight test but mainly based on the main parameters and never combined as it was done later when E-M diagrams were created.

In wwI era they were just trying to fix the biggest engine possible in a given airframe or an airframe around a given engine.

I think the 777 guys have done a hell of a job, taking into consideration the amount of factual information available.

carguy_ 03-28-2012 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZaltysZ (Post 403610)
Oh, just wait for La5s in sequels. :cool:

Bf109G6 eats La5s for breakfast :cool:

carguy_ 03-28-2012 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MajorBoris (Post 403622)
Hey highness, I noticed you had the model detail set to high, try original, its probably the last setting you want move down. You should notice the cockpits and planes are improved with little performance hit:)

With the "texture quality" being the most hitting (besides SSAO/Epilepsy/AA), right?

klem 03-28-2012 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by highness (Post 403601)
just my 2cents:

i have been using a 295GTX for the last 2-3 years, and today i have decided to upgrade and picked up an MSI N680GTX

so, with the current version of il2cod and the 295GTX i was having an average of 7-15fps and annoying stutters with the following settings (see the screen below), flying or doing anything in the sim was just impossible and with lower settings it was just looking ugly:

http://i.imgur.com/YEgjk.jpg

now, with the N680GTX and the same settings as above, i am having an average of 19-38 FPS! and i just couldn't believe how nearly smoothly it was running, the performance improvement was really really MAJOR here! it became nearly stutterless and, now definitely PLAYABLE/FLYABLE...

so far, i no longer need to wait for the new patch as i got my il2cod "fixed" somehow.. :grin:

my other system specs are: i5 (oclocked to 4ghz), 8gb ram, win7 64bit

Congratulations on the new card but if I may say so you were your own worst enemy with those settings on the old card. Such high settings (with the current graphics software) for Forest plus Grass and SSAO 'on' were always going to drag that card down. Also if you were near buildings, Buildings Detail and Buildings amount set so high could have been a problem.

Even with your new card your only just getting playable fps. Try turning some of those down and watch it leap forward. Big hitters are SSAO and Grass (do we need waving oversized grass?), I'd play with those to start with. Get up to 40-60fps and its a new world.

btw Anti-Aliasing x16 does nothing at the moment. It seems only x2 is working at the moment. You could try turning it off and setting it in your graphics card manager instead.

Luftwaffepilot 03-28-2012 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hc_wolf (Post 403619)
I have a avg 85 fps on my rig. never drops below 58.

If i put vsync on i get 60fps and never below 58.

I run same full settings. power is in the i7


Do you have Hyperthreading disabled playing CloD?

How does CloD look on your 40" (which resolution btw?). Any problems with reading text on that screen when using as a pc screen?

Thank you :)

zapatista 03-28-2012 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZaltysZ (Post 403625)
This is so irrelevant. You have missed the word "biased" in post of Winger. If he thinks that RoF is biased towards Allies, then I wonder what he will think when La5s will be appearing in IL2 sequels.

can you try this once more, but this time in english ?

zapatista 03-28-2012 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klem (Post 403636)
btw Anti-Aliasing x16 does nothing at the moment. It seems only x2 is working at the moment. You could try turning it off and setting it in your graphics card manager instead.

is it confirmed we have this partially working now ?

Flanker35M 03-28-2012 02:51 PM

S!

Congrats on new card but why on earth PSEUDO?! USe Full Screen. Also put off SSAO, does VERY little for the stutter and lower FPS it causes in some cases. Also building detail to MEDIUM does not affect your visuals the slightest but again a bit more performance. Forest is good enough with Medium already. That antialiasing is as said before, use 2x. Biggest impact you get by setting Effcts to medium, even then they look good but with less effect..worth trying :) And again..grats on the card :)

GF_Mastiff 03-28-2012 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by highness (Post 403601)
just my 2cents:

i have been using a 295GTX for the last 2-3 years, and today i have decided to upgrade and picked up an MSI N680GTX

so, with the current version of il2cod and the 295GTX i was having an average of 7-15fps and annoying stutters with the following settings (see the screen below), flying or doing anything in the sim was just impossible and with lower settings it was just looking ugly:

http://i.imgur.com/YEgjk.jpg

now, with the N680GTX and the same settings as above, i am having an average of 19-38 FPS! and i just couldn't believe how nearly smoothly it was running, the performance improvement was really really MAJOR here! it became nearly stutterless and, now definitely PLAYABLE/FLYABLE...

so far, i no longer need to wait for the new patch as i got my il2cod "fixed" somehow.. :grin:

my other system specs are: i5 (oclocked to 4ghz), 8gb ram, win7 64bit

why do you have psuedo full screen on? it should just be full screen. psuedo is buggy.

ATAG_MajorBorris 03-28-2012 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carguy_ (Post 403635)
With the "texture quality" being the most hitting (besides SSAO/Epilepsy/AA), right?


oops, totaly right, thats what I meant this mourning:confused:

he had original allready!

P.S. That ssao kills my system too : (

SlipBall 03-28-2012 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by highness (Post 403601)
just my 2cents:

i have been using a 295GTX for the last 2-3 years, and today i have decided to upgrade and picked up an MSI N680GTX

so, with the current version of il2cod and the 295GTX i was having an average of 7-15fps and annoying stutters with the following settings (see the screen below), flying or doing anything in the sim was just impossible and with lower settings it was just looking ugly:, with the N680GTX and the same settings as above, i am having an average of 19-38 FPS! and i just couldn't believe how nearly smoothly it was running, the performance improvement was really really MAJOR here! it became nearly stutterless and, now definitely PLAYABLE/FLYABLE...

so far, i no longer need to wait for the new patch as i got my il2cod "fixed" somehow.. :grin:

my other system specs are: i5 (oclocked to 4ghz), 8gb ram, win7 64bit


Great card from what I've been hearing, enjoy!...a couple of thoughts:
run the Windows Experience Index, next monitor you get is 120hzTrue :grin:

Jaws2002 03-28-2012 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by highness (Post 403601)
just my 2cents:

i have been using a 295GTX for the last 2-3 years, and today i have decided to upgrade and picked up an MSI N680GTX

so, with the current version of il2cod and the 295GTX i was having an average of 7-15fps and annoying stutters with the following settings (see the screen below), flying or doing anything in the sim was just impossible and with lower settings it was just looking ugly:

http://i.imgur.com/YEgjk.jpg

now, with the N680GTX and the same settings as above, i am having an average of 19-38 FPS! and i just couldn't believe how nearly smoothly it was running, the performance improvement was really really MAJOR here! it became nearly stutterless and, now definitely PLAYABLE/FLYABLE...

so far, i no longer need to wait for the new patch as i got my il2cod "fixed" somehow.. :grin:

my other system specs are: i5 (oclocked to 4ghz), 8gb ram, win7 64bit

Congrats on your new card. :) I'll have to chew you up a little for those settings on the old card tho.:mrgreen:
This is one of the reasons so many people complain about poor performance. People with older, less powerful hardware use way too high graphics setings. Why would you use 16x antialiasing when the game can't render anything over 2x? All you get is the performance hit with no visual improvement. SSAO and "Original" texture size were also very bad for your old card.
I'm sure this new card will cut trough the game like hot knife in butter and what setings you use won't hurt performance.

Congrats and enjoy it.:cool:

addman 03-28-2012 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by highness (Post 403601)
just my 2cents:

i have been using a 295GTX for the last 2-3 years, and today i have decided to upgrade and picked up an MSI N680GTX

so, with the current version of il2cod and the 295GTX i was having an average of 7-15fps and annoying stutters with the following settings (see the screen below), flying or doing anything in the sim was just impossible and with lower settings it was just looking ugly:

now, with the N680GTX and the same settings as above, i am having an average of 19-38 FPS! and i just couldn't believe how nearly smoothly it was running, the performance improvement was really really MAJOR here! it became nearly stutterless and, now definitely PLAYABLE/FLYABLE...

so far, i no longer need to wait for the new patch as i got my il2cod "fixed" somehow.. :grin:

my other system specs are: i5 (oclocked to 4ghz), 8gb ram, win7 64bit

19-38 fps on average?! with that card?! Please consider lowering texture quality to high, turn off in-game AA and download the MSAA injector thingie instead. This will dramatically increase your FPS I reckon.

SlipBall 03-28-2012 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaws2002 (Post 403666)
Congrats on your new card. :) I'll have to chew you up a little for those settings on the old card tho.:mrgreen:
This is one of the reasons so many people complain about poor performance. People with older, less powerful hardware use way too high graphics setings. Why would you use 16x antialiasing when the game can't render anything over 2x? All you get is the performance hit with no visual improvement. SSAO and "Original" texture size were also very bad for your old card.
I'm sure this new card will cut trough the game like hot knife in butter and what setings you use won't hurt performance.

Congrats and enjoy it.:cool:


Very true!...I'm pushing my settings too, but still very playable with fps40s over land

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...ePatch3-12.jpg

ACE-OF-ACES 03-28-2012 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by highness (Post 403601)
now, with the N680GTX and the same settings as above, i am having an average of 19-38 FPS! and i just couldn't believe how nearly smoothly it was running, the performance improvement was really really MAJOR here! it became nearly stutterless and, now definitely PLAYABLE/FLYABLE...

Not suprised at all.. Many here have pointed out that most of the issues people have with CoD can be fixxed and/or greatly improved with a simple vid card upgrade

addman 03-28-2012 04:52 PM

Ok I'll do the same, here are my settings and I get 34 FPS on average on the black death track, v-sync enabled in nvidia control panel:

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/57...C5DE4CE33D836/

My specs:
Intel Core i3 2120 3,3Ghz
4GB DDR3 RAM Kingston
64GB Samsung 470 SSD
EVGA GeForce GTX 550ti 1GB DDR5 (factory overclocked)

P.S I use the MSAA injector magizmo for my AA

GF_Mastiff 03-28-2012 05:26 PM

this is interesting I get like 70- 80 fps
with those settings, I turned off Shading it is not optimized very well.

no GTX 680 here.

highness 03-28-2012 06:00 PM

thanks for all advices and recommendations, so now i have ssao&vsync OFF, AA 2x, fullscreen ON, building textures: medium, all the rest is set to high

im having now a very good fps (average 30-35fps) in missions with lots of different ai hardware here and there etc

i tried the quickmission flying over London with the previous settings set to full: i got 11fps (instead of 4-6fps before) :o)

but there is still something weird: despite that im having GRASS set to ON, i have never seen it! everything is dead flat

GF_Mastiff 03-28-2012 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by highness (Post 403695)
thanks for all advices and recommendations, so now i have ssao&vsync OFF, AA 2x, fullscreen ON, building textures: medium, all the rest is set to high

im having now a very good fps (average 30-35fps) in missions with lots of different ai hardware here and there etc

i tried the quickmission flying over London with the previous settings set to full: i got 11fps (instead of 4-6fps before) :o)

but there is still something weird: despite that im having GRASS set to ON, i have never seen it! everything is dead flat

opps thats cause you broke some thing try repiaring netFX frame works. its in the user/soft1c/il2/redistrubute folder

SlipBall 03-28-2012 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by highness (Post 403695)
thanks for all advices and recommendations, so now i have ssao&vsync OFF, AA 2x, fullscreen ON, building textures: medium, all the rest is set to high

im having now a very good fps (average 30-35fps) in missions with lots of different ai hardware here and there etc

i tried the quickmission flying over London with the previous settings set to full: i got 11fps (instead of 4-6fps before) :o)

but there is still something weird: despite that im having GRASS set to ON, i have never seen it! everything is dead flat


The Windows Experience Index will analyze a problem, and I think make system graphic adjustments.

BigC208 03-28-2012 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hc_wolf (Post 403619)
I have a avg 85 fps on my rig. never drops below 58.

If i put vsync on i get 60fps and never below 58.

I run same full settings. power is in the i7

I got almost the same machine as you have. All settings at high. 2xAA and grass and shadows enabled. With a GTX570 and I2500@4.3 I'm getting around 50fps. It does get below 50fps though (low teens)when I fly close to explosions. I should get my 680 in this week. Somehow I don't think it's going to make that much of a difference. Just a bit faster with less power draw and heat. I'll make sure to do a few benchmarks before and after the switch with the same game settings.

ATAG_MajorBorris 03-28-2012 09:58 PM

Texture Quality Original
 
Texture quality "original" for sure. If you want dull out of focus cockpits and airplanes that look lower res for a 1/2 fps improvement then switch from Original : )

Luther mentions Original textures in this link and its true in my experience.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=19819

highness 04-01-2012 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hc_wolf (Post 403619)
I have a avg 85 fps on my rig. never drops below 58.

If i put vsync on i get 60fps and never below 58.

I run same full settings. power is in the i7

you got 58fps over London too? (quick mission london) :cool:


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