Let's talk sequel!
 

I'm really looking forward to the Moscow expansion now, I was kinda luke-warm about it before but now when I think of possibly flying my old friend the MiG-3 with CloD attention to detail on the cockpits and external model. In my wildest of dreams there will also be a flyable Henschel-123 at release for some groundpounding action. What's your thoughts on it, what do you look forward to in the Moscow expansion?

Sequel..

As in the 1C sence?

Where 1C includes everything (planes, maps, items, etc) from the previous version into the next?

I don't know, whatever "Battle of Moscow" will be.

I'm also looking forward to the add on but not so much for the new planes or maps. I expect/hope that improvements to the core game released in the add on (weather etc) will improve the general CoD experience.

Well that I take for granted, I was just thinking more content/feature wise kind of things.

All they are going to do is add a few planes and put some snow on the ground. Then there will be two versions that will be half-baked and full of bugs. Yippee :grin:

Have they already started taking pre-complaints?

No interest in Russian Fronts for me , I will buy it if the sequals are compatible with each other if they are not then i'm very reluctant to spend money unless I can get it cheap somewhere or by other means.

lol!

carriers, torpedo attacks, shipattaks, tactical airwar,
i realy hoped for some MTO scenario......but its a russian developer, so it is no surprise to see easternfront so early again. looking forward if this time the trees will get a collision model.

looking forward to do some mudmoving. flyable Hs123 and I-153 would be something - if it will be realy a winter 41/42 scenario, german operation typhoon and the soviet counteroffensive.

I didn't think I was fussed about it, but like the OP I think the more I hear about it the more excited I get. I've never been too fussed about the eastern front, but the idea of flying my lovely I-16 again online (I used to take down 190's in that online. They'd never see it coming!), plus the possability of Hurri II's, maybe Spit V's (not sure if they'd be included though) and later 109's (G's I suppose?) open up the posability of having a 1941 Channel scenario if they are backwards compatible has got me quite excited.

Even if they aren't backwards compatible, which I think they should be given the history of Maddox games, then I'm still kind of looking forward to it even though the theatre has never really bothered me. I'll buy it regardless, and certainly enjoy it.

I thought I read somewhere that those Spitfires used by the VVS were too often mistaken for the enemy and shot down by either ground fire or friendly fighters! Crappy radios didn't help either avoiding that! And as a result those spits were taken out of service.

IF(!) its ment german operation "Taifun" it will be around:
Bf109F, 109E-7
Bf110D/E
Ju87B
Hs123
He111, Ju88

MiG-3, Yak-1, LaGG-3, P-40B/C
I-16, I-153
Il-2
Pe-2, IL-4, SB-2

as examples and a lot of groundsupport action.


The VVS Spit V appeared 1943 over the Kuban first IIRC, so, i think out of question for a BoM.

I was hoping for a prequel... But I seriously hope that the modifications to the core files in BoM are backwards compatible for CoD.

Today's update really kind of upset me... I thought dynamic weather, and all of these goodies were going to be a part of this game, and now you expect me to pay money? I understand you have bills to pay but, I will wait for it to hit the $12 bargain bin, before I go spending $50 right out the gates.

The addon will be merged and/or stand alone, your choice, unless the developer has changed plans. This should mean that any features, like improved weather, AI, FM, DM, will also be available with COD. Its a win win situation, which includes much needed cash flow for the developer. If you choose not to buy the sequal the improved weather etc, will probably by available as a free patch for COD. They will probably posts betas to test the weather system on COD before releasing the Battle for Moscow.

Were P-39's being used at this point?

I also remember a picture of a modeller who was building a LA-5 model. That's not Battle of Moscow is it?

I'm quite excited to see how much damage I can inflict with a centerline cannon on a 109, as well as getting my grubby paws on a Mig-3. :D With the inclusion on the IL-2 I'll be able to do ground-pounding missions again (Not a huge fan of the twins) and the P40 will likely be a frequent flyer for me as well. I've wanted .50 cal since the same came out just to see how the damage model handles it, although admittedly I think I'm going to have to wait for a pacific campaign before my dreams there are fully realized.

I know I'm getting ahead of myself here, but does anyone else think the A6MX's will be a joy to fly with the new "feel" of the planes or is it just me? Normally I'm a Wildcat guy, because I tend to eat shells pretty quickly and it doesn't take much to light up a Zero, but I feel like a Zero would just be awesome to fly.

Looking forward to some high fidelity P40 goodness.

Be sure.

:cool:

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/9495/russtommis.jpg

Luthiers music videos in this forum will be great. Apart from this i await the same http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing..._of_Echternach as we know already.

Greetz, Allons!

I am looking forward for some simulated Bf109E, HurricaneI and Spits od 1940. P-40 would even convince me flying for Red, but so far I would be happy if I could get the a.m. planes simultated. ;)

+1000 not really in the mood to a ETO expansion... :(

Mmm, only problem with BoM is that I hate the early war Soviet planes like the Mig-3, LaGG-3 and the Yak-1 (the only one that is somewhat OK). OK, there is the I-16 but seriously, it looks like a cartoon ;)

The late war stuff like the Yak-3, La-5/7 is another thing though :)

Just do a search on this stuff if you want to know anything. You'll find it in 30 seconds.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Moscow

:)Be real happy if all those are Flyable,always liked the i-153 & I-16 type 24-28.
PE-8,Storch, Ju-52,FW189 & Li-2 ?
Send the Paratroopers in to capture a field once its defences are destroyed.:)

lmao

Also you can go threw this witch may take a day or two but it's worth it.


http://english.pobediteli.ru/

Bf 109 Friedrich. Nuff said.

I'm trying hard not to have any specific hopes for the 'Moscow expansion.

There are sure plenty of dreamers around here. Sorry but I can't get hyped up about a game from these guys that will probably be released in 2014.

Just reading the introduction got me uninterested for good.

You didn't start it? It's one of the best ways to learn about the eastern front on the internet. Entertaining too. People who aren't familiar with it can click and watch it all happen before them. The march to Moscow.

sounds like a bit of warbirds talk :P


I honestly cant wait for the next installment, more things to fly, more things to shoot at, plus, different type of ground to crash into....hopefully the snow will soften the impact a bit more :D

When is this out? I get the idea that it wont be too far away.

I wouldn't trust them an inch, waving the nationalistic flag like that.

Lets talk fixing the 1st game...... Fixing it will promote customers to look upon the Sequel more favorably !

Yeah!Finally a sequel BETA yay!!!!!:grin:

Fixing it isnt a priority as the western world is a minority. This is a Russian game aimed at russian markets blah blah blah

you are not right, sir!

also, throwing in the addon before fixing CoD and adding all the (promised) missing features, and even without any (apology) words at all.. it's a huge let down for me, sorry :(

Indeed. And i see this everywhere.. Only now has someone come to the IC forums to start posting updates wise.. Personally i find the whole thing abhorrent!!
Favour given to the Russian forums little news here and to add insult to injury declaring a Addon/Sequal that probably WONT be compatible with COD.

So in this diverse world there isn't a person they have employed or could that can speak Russian/English to settle both camps? RUBBISH!!!! :shock: :roll:

I wash my hands of this entire fiasco!

Where have people gotten the idea that Battle for Moscow won't be compatible with COD. ALL past series theater addons were compatible, and the developer has stated that they plan the same system, where each addon can be either stand alone or merged.

I, actually, would prefer a sequel that begins on June 22 1941 ... There are enough highly interesting things to be modeled in the weeks and months preceeding "Typhoon". But given all that happened around CloD I'll remain wary of anything that comes from Maddox Games in the form of "announcements".

Me too. I'll be pretty wary next time an MG title is up for preorder, given the poor conduct of the developers and distributors during clod's release. Life is much too short to willingly take part in such a travesty again.

I'm cautiously optimistic but this time around I'll let "others" do the testing first, "others" not being certain "yes men" on this forum. ;)

Will the collectors edition contain a scarf replica and a kiddie snow shovel this time ?

Yeah it costs $50 for Un-limited Edition. Comes with Dictorphone and a self address envelope to Maddox Games

No - BoM will be the Beta as we are now playing the Alpha ;) I really hope that the RC featuring the Mediterranean will be good - and that version 1.0 going to the Pacific will be awesome. And then version 2.0 "Bombing the Reich" will be the real "beef" ;) Round up with version 3.0 with the battle for Berlin with all the stuff tossed in and those La-7:s and Yak-3:s etc. mixed with some wonder-planes...

And if they wan't to toss in a "Forgotten Battles" in RC2 it's fine with me :)

Bring it on, if it is compatible as per all previous releases we should hopefully end up with a fully functional BoB, in the process! I have no problem jumping in as soon as it is released because at the end of the day it is still cheap fun even if there are bugs to be crunched! All the miseryguts, and drama queens that carry on as if they have been personally insulted, or robbed of their last $ over this game really need to get a grip I think!

Cheers
Craig

You have it right, trumps!

well,how long do you guys think will it take until we see the BOM?

after the last dev-update, i really have mixed feelings.it sounds like COD is already abandoned and to keep features as functional weather completely excluded from a flight sim is a new experience for me....a disappointing one.

also some answers from luthier are really disturbing, like the fact that he feels that navigational lights are only a cosmetic feature and also the answer about structural limits is confusing.at least i dont understand it.

all the features which i thought were self-evident for this title, are now only planned for BOM.like a ranking system.will there ever be a dynamic campaign?....right now im a bit confused about my feelings about maddox games and its products.ill have to wait to build a real opinion about the current situation.

if all what they said is present in the sequel...it will be good....

but if not.... i think nobody will give them trust anymore...and il2 will be dead!

Seven years of devellopement....and they need to rework FM, sound, engine.... the devellopement start seven years ago really?

I do wish people would read this thread through properly, most irrational fears are addressed on earlier pages, all I am seeing is repeated claims of COD abandonment and lack of comatibility with BOM, the IL-2 myth machine grinds on.

Closer to the truth:

I'm with Chivas and Trumps.

The Moscow expansion will bring in large numbers of customers from Maddox/1C's home market, and by extension, a large inflow of CASH. Thus, the future of the series will be on a much better financial footing.

I wonder how many of the doom and gloomers on this forum hit themselves in the head with a hammer each morning just because it feels so good when the pain subsides...

:rolleyes:

That's what I'd heard too, although how you could ever confuse a Spit with a 109 when, if anything, Yaks look more like 109's, has always been beyond me. I was just hoping they might be included since they were in the original Il2, although I can't remember if they were in the original (if they were, then they were patched in) or came later (e.g. Forgotten Battles maybe). Still, how about Hurri's at this stage at least? I suppose they'd be IIb's as well, so an extra 4 guns in the Hurri would be nice to take out again over Blighty (again, if it is backwards compatible), though I'd really want a IIc so I could finally hop the channel and do some serious strafing, although the IIb with bombs would still be a welcome addition in both theatres.

Anyway, new planes are always nice no matter what they are, but like I said, I'm really looking forward to getting my I-16 back, and the I-153 was always a favourite too. Does anyone happen to know when the rockets that were in Il2 were brought on to these? Any chance we'd have them in BoM?

If the air2ground rockets perform as in reality they will stay in storage for the most sim-fighters.

Actually the I-153 and I-15bis were the mainstay of the soviet ground-attack regiments in 1941. The Il-2 started to become ubiquitous only from 1942 on.

Anyone remember the I-16 campaign Luthier wrote for the original Il-2 years ago? The one that the player couldn't win and that ended in the player's death? That was, IMO, one of the best and most creative campaigns ever made for the series. Those were the times ... ;)

I miss the old days of the sim a lot.

Lots of winter maps, and missions on them, the anticipation when the I 16 was first made flyable in a patch, flying Migs on the Kuban.

Good days.

IL-2 with Clod CEM. :) Nice!

http://allworldwars.com/image/095/IL2_Page_30.jpg
http://allworldwars.com/IL-2-Illustr...ht-Manual.html

Sokol1

I think they need to fix this baby first before even thinking or pouring any valueable resources into the Moscow addon. There are far too many issues with the current game. People who bought cod will likely be very hesitatant to buy the addon and will not believe any further promises they make for the Moscow addon. Given the state the game is in right now, it will have to be one hell of addon to fix their shattered reputation.

Surely they can think about the addon and do some stuff for it, but right now their priority must be to release bug and performance fixes asap (still no AI commands or even a working mirror....) and any goodies (some maps or new planes) to make up for the very poor release of cod.

I'm also interested to see the eastern theatre again, fly some russian fighters and sincerely hope they fill fix this game, but I think now is not a very good time to talk about any addon's.

Rgs,
FP

It may have already been stated here , but I'm guessing it will look a whole lot like the original Il-2 sturmovik but contain only one map ( I think Il-2 originally came with three...)

Good link. Thx !

I'm with Chivas, trumps, ElAurens, robtek and Gamekeeper, and anyone of like mind that I may have missed! ;)

Sequel?!
at the moment CloD is a total epic fail
let's fix this one first before getting bigger ideas... :confused:

What??

No winter war 1939-1940 with finland and crapy planes??
We have already 3 of them (Gladiator, G.50 and Blenheim).

The war minister is not amused!!:roll:

One can only dream....

Looking forward to pay for sli/crossfire support, we might even be able to pay for 100 octane avgas for our Hurricane 1's and Spit 1's too, lovely! Tuck pulled the "plug" as early as Dunkirk though.

BB

friedrich 2 :rolleyes:

hope oleg do too MAp of Crimea & Odessa 1941 = Same planes

italian planes like Fiat 42 & Romanian PZL P11.
very important Rumanian Air Force in Odessa!
but will need multi-skin. snow and summer skins

2,000+ posts and you feel ripped off, lol. Looks like you've gotten your moneys worth from 1c and then some, I'll be buying the sequel as soon as I can.

I will not pre-order but I will buy within the first few days if forum feedback is good. I don't mind paying full price if it is good quality - there are only so many WW2 sims out there...

+1

incomplete?

So anouncing a sequal equates to giving up on this game? Huh.. I don't see it that way, I see it going the same way IL-2 went.. As in IL-2 has been around for going on 10 years now, and during that time we received dozens of free updates that not only fixed bugs but added new planes and maps, and several sequels that we paid for. Each sequel not only added new planes, maps, features, but it also included all the resources (planes, maps, ect) from the previous versions. When you consider that track record I think you would not be so worried/upset by the news that 1C is working on a sequel.. Yet you are? Why is that?

Those days are gone mate. Maddox Games isn't the same company it was when Il-2 was in its heyday. Theres a whole new staff and leadership now. Just the name is the same.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f51/bzc3lk/Sheep.jpg


ROFL :lol:

Not sure how you can say the developers have given up on the COD. Both COD and BfM use the exact same game engine. Yes they have people working on the Maps and Aircraft for BFM, but EVERYONE else in the development are working on the game engine {which includes AI, Graphics Engine, and features like dynamic weather,etc,etc} which will apply to both COD and BFM automatically.

S!

Well, we should not light up torches and all as we for sure do not know what happened behind the scenes when IL-2 CoD was developed. Something happened and resulted most likely to this what we have now, but Luthier and his team have done a lot of work to improve what they got in their hands. Sure the game should have been all this and that from release, but at least we know for sure Luthier is changing things to the right direction aka new GFX engine, new sounds etc. That is what matters..there are not many WW2 sims coming out these days anyway and I hope IL-2 series will prevail as I for sure want to fly other theatres too :)

It seems that doom'n'gloom is more fashionable atm.

But then, one can only become positively disappointed this way.

Anyway it's a sad way to view the future, imo.

Ah well. Can't be helped really. One might be forgiven for expecting another slow motion train wreck for their next effort.

Yeah, let´s talk about a productive effort :rolleyes:

Sad but true

And a view that is baseless..

By baseless I mean the only way a person can view it as doom'n'gloom is to totally ignore 1C's track record with IL-2.

Where IL-2 was supported for 10+ years!

1) Where IL-2 recived dozens of free updates that not only fixxed bugs but added new features, aircraft, maps, etc.

2) Where IL-2 recived several payfor sequal updates that not only fixxed bugs but included all the privious features, aircraft, maps, etc while at the same time adding featrues, aircraft, maps, etc

It's too bad that these doom'n'gloom folks are either too young, or too forgetfull, or just not around to have experanced how 1C handled IL-2, because had they would not be so worried/upset by the news that 1C is working on a sequel

Applies all too well! S! ;)

Sorry to say but I think you are living in the past. Past experience has nothing to do about what the future will bring. I can't believe so many of you are wearing rose colored glasses and find it so difficult to be realistic. I am an optimistic person but c'mon guys, stop with the brain-washed attitude:grin:

COD was sold to us with a lot of hot air and a bit of deceit thrown in. This happened over the past 6 years and came to a head when it was released earlier this year. We will all have to wait and see what the sequel will bring in a couple of years but how can you seriously expect anything but the bare minimum:rolleyes:

You are a brave man shark and I agree with some of what you mentioned, however, prepare yourself to be multi-quoted.

Don't be sorry

I realize that past experience does not guarantee future actions

But at least I am basing it on something (the 1C track record) instead of the child like, are we there yet, view of the world that most of the gloom'n'doom folks are basing their statements on

Yup how dare they! Flag waving russians, how dare they, as we all know that flag waving is just allowed to Americans, as they solely won the war.

http://www.1cpublishing.eu/games/Simulation

1C's track record's a fail if you subtract IL2. Well, Rig and Roll might be worth a laugh or two, does it have coop mode?

1c is just the russian publisher, Maddox Games has the good track record!

Beat me to it robtek.

:cool:

Yeah, but were is Maddox?

To put it in musical terms, comparing the Il-2 era Maddox Games to the present company lineup is like comparing Jefferson Airplane with Jefferson Starship.

You made me miss Papa John Creach... :D

I think it's a good plan by Luthier's crew- getting back to the Eastern Front is where their heart is. We in the West have view of WW2 that is quite different to the Eastern Bloc countries- it's not even referred to by them as WW2, but rather the 'Great Patriotic War'.
CoD was a buggy mess on release that still remains far from perfect, but i see more and more people regularly getting online on the ATAG server so we can get decent confrontations happening with larger numbers of planes. I see the problems but i'm thoroughly enjoying this game and can't wait until they create a new map with new planes etc.
I believe the CoD guys were too ambitious- the complex weather model etc was too demanding and distracted them from core things like Comms and refining flight models. There is so much potential lurking beneath these annoyances that i hope these guys do move ahead and make a fresh start with the Battle of Moscow- it'll go well in their home market and allow them to use the lessons learned from CoD to make a much more polished game.

The only thing that would get me excited would be the P40 because it's the start of a Pacific Sequel, and then by the time they get to a building a Pacific sequel, the bugs may even be ironed out :)

Fear of Grumman might still be a problem for any Pacific addon. How would people feel about a Nomonohan, Java or Dutch East Indies expansion?

Only after North Afrika