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Red Tails Trailer #3
Yep, tie-fighter maneuvres and hokey scriptwriting notwithstanding, I'm still gonna see this come January 20th! :grin:
http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/i...ails/trailer3/ |
Somewhere this trailer w/o having to use quicktime?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yCEMkJ0YF8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=106JuQQNg10 |
Thanks, mate. Very much appreciated that you put up the clips.
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That is one movie i won't see in a cinema!
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Why not?
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Because it seems to be worse than pearl harbor with "hurra - patriotism" and unbelievable cgi flight scenes.
after the original (tuskegee airman), this can only leave a bad taste, imo. I'd even prefer captain future and the world of tomorrow, there i know it is basically a comic. |
Will see in 3D, just for fun in flight scenes, I like these scenes in 3D, big screen...
But i doubt it'll be really realistic and immersive as "How to Train Your Dragon"! ;) |
I did like the shot of the P-51 coming through the cloud bank though ;)
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High budget and incredible (dictionary definition applies), not for me, ta.;) |
And then after it flops, Hollywood will ask the Taxpayers for compensation like the porn industry did. :mrgreen:
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I just recovered from watching Saving private ryan and Pearl harbor, do they want me dead or something? :grin::grin::grin:
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Full disclosure: as a video making enthusiast, I took a one-day course in Toronto with the guy (Phil Bloom) that George Lucas later brought in to do the in-cockpit filming for RedTails. So, in my view, that pretty much puts me on a first name basis with ol' Georgie, so I HAVE to go see his movie in case we ever run into each other at, like, a cocktail party....or something. Just sayin', is all.......
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It looks like this movie is mostly about the combat scenes... bit of racial bickering... but mostly big explosions by the looks of it... worth a watch... but from the trailers it reminds me a lot of transformers, pretty lame on the acting and story, but lots of shiny objects to stare at.
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Where is the FW-190? it is much more visually appealing and then the 109...im surprised they didnt put it in the movie!
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And I'll support any WW2 airplane movie! Keep em coming! |
Apart from the BS maneuver that the P51 does it looks pretty awesome to me. It's a movie.
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It was a BS maneuver! They could of made it a bit more realistic but just as impressive by making the pilot go into a violent snap roll when the 109 was trailing him closely and then recovering just behind the 109 in time to blow his tail off. Or both of them straight vertical and the 109 drops before the P-51 and the P-51 drops right on his tail.
Just sayin. |
Well atleast Lucas didnt throw in a maneuver where they jam on the brakes ( or whatever is the equivalent ) the enemy goes flying passed and thinks " wtf did they go?" and then they get shot down in a ball of flame.
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well if this does well in the box office . . .
lucas or other producers may consider doing others . . . like condor legion or luftwaffe eastern front or japanese pilots . . . heck maybe they will do something on VVS women . . . or what if it does well and suddenly WW 2 sims becomes the in thing for game companies . . . |
A VVS females movie just begs to be made. Be a cold day in Hell before you see one about the lufties or the Japanese though.
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Yep, can't be heroic and evil at the same time.
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That is correct imo also, but a independent director, like Eastwood.
I don't think that those 2 Eastwood movies Flags of our Fathers and Letters from Iwo Jima were box office hits comparable to, yuck, Pearl Harbor. |
It is possible to make good WWII movies showing the german side.
Das Boot, Stalingrad, Cross of Iron are good examples for this. You only need a good Storywriter, what is hard to get in modern times with its sequals, prequals and its only good/bad guy themes. As a story you could take and old pilot who was on war from the beginning of his carreer and is delusioned and a young inexperienced, overmotivated and from propaganda blinded pilot. That all around late43/early1944 where the bomber raids became more and more massive and the situation for the luftis became more desperate and disadvantaged. Just a movie about normal people who try to survive in a war that lost all barriers. |
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http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2006/LFIJM.php things didn't go as well for Che, but it has to be said it had an appalling distribution. |
Haha i loved Pearl Harbour! Was laughing for 2h nonstop!
Everyone is awake in the morning, the kids are playing baseball surrounded by american flags, the women are up taking care of the laundry, everyone is up with the rising sun to embrace the american way of living. The US Navy and airforce however are deep asleep and wake up with the first bombs! Why were they not out and doing laundry or playing baseball of doing laundry like the rest, that way the would have been alerted in time like everyone else... |
The "german side" will never be glorified in "normal" movies, because axis lost the war and all the NSDAP "behaviour"...
Live with that... It's one of the biggest "wrong sides" of human history. ;) |
I never mentioned glorification. Actually I hate it, that "We are the best of the best of the best"-behavior. And I have no intention in rewriting history or denying it.
I just want to see a movie, which also shows the dark side of both sides, not only light. How young men blinded by lies, half truth and propaganda were thrown into an environment where only death is certain. The only thing what I want is to see a movie in which you can see what happens to people, and how they became like that. As a warning for the future, showing the cruelity of war and to remember those who died on all sides. PS: And I have no interrest in starting a fundamental debate of, who is the badest war criminal. fact is germany did the worst in WWII. |
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I forgot to mention "All quiet on the western front".
Both the 1930 and 1979 movies. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbArOFsXs6I |
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although tbf galland or hartmann would make good subjects for a film. rudel not so much, what with all that nazi-poster-boy thing he had going on. |
For pure fiction the Luftwaffe novel, "Ace" by Spencer Dunmore is a great little yarn. BoB fledgling to jaded Bodenplatte veteran with lots of rooting and flying in between. Certainly enough room for mass appeal in there.
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some ´pics.
(se the """yellow" TAIL of the BF109 and Me262 http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/a.../redtails1.jpg http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/a.../redtails2.jpg http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/a.../redtails5.jpg http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/a...redtails21.jpg http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/a...redtails50.jpg http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/a...redtails51.jpg |
Whats the yellow tails mean?
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Can't say I've seen much if any yellow tails in late war scenarios, I have seen many yellow rudders though. Could be wrong, don't know everything ;)
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Ah well , the skins look good and nodoubt we'll see copies online soon for us:)
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It looks that they watched History Dogfights. Look at 0:40 of these video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4dRE...eature=related WW2 RL pilot said about such manouver in P-51D which he used. It looks like one spin in deep turn but shoting and hiting someone in such manouver is like miracle. |
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you cant do that shit , iven if you are flying a Fokker Dr.I |
What JG is that?
http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtop...f=23&t=1152516 "The enemy has to be more Nazi" :) I love that one Here's what I would tell a person to watch. The old 1948 12 O Clock High Tora Tora Tora The Battle Of Britain The reason why these older movies are so good imo is you actually know why things are happening and what's actually going on from both points of view in the last two films. I wonder if the wing leader of what ever JG it is in this movie will have some sort of condition so over the RT he sounds like.....you know who :) |
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To me, it would best serve that squadron if a film depicted how they worked out their tactics, developed new ones, trained. Research how they did things, represent it well, and let the story tell itself. Yes, maybe their success had much to do with how hard they threw themselves into a fight. But I'll bet there was a good measure of originality. Very good squadrons didn't accomplish as much. I want to see why.
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I, like the majority in this forum have never flown a P-51 in combat, so I won't assume to call a combat vet a liar when he is talking about his personal confirmed victories. I have seen stunt planes at airshows do things that I wouldn't have thought possible, who knows what one of those old warbirds could do when yanked out of it's flight envelope at over 300mph in the thin air at a couple thousand feet.
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Could be a God thing, why they were more successful that the average 'very good squad'. I remember one of the trailers, the whole squadron was praying . . . |
In a war most, if not all, fighting soldiers start to pray, believers or not.
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I see a 109 with a Totenkopf - Death Head SS Panzer insignia on the cowling and an Udet Falcon below the canopy. So I guess there was a Panzer Div. that had a few JG3 109s? How would Red Tail fans like it if this movie screwed up that bad? That super low budget "Fortress" comes out way ahead as far as doing enemy aeroplanes correctly.
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I think there is now sufficient evidence to suggest that this movie is going to suck very hard indeed.
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I would still like to see a film version of 'Bomber' by Len Deighton- great book, well balanced showing the stupidity, heroism, and mundanity of both sides. Not to mention luck enountered by all concerned, both good and bad. I read somewhere years ago that the guy who made 'Memphis Belle' originally wanted to do this book but couldnt get funding or a flightworthy Lancaster.
I believe a big problem with something like the story of the Tuskegee airmen is that it is too complex for a blockbuster movie. I predict the story will be weighed down by too much sentimentality and a need for drama that an audience can immediately appreciate- that's why these movies often have such one-dimensional characters with instantly recognisable angels and demons. |
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+1 Just in case you do go and it is sucking big time, every time an allied aeroplane goes down let out a great big... HORRIDO! You'll get yourself kicked out of the theater for sure after a few of those. Maybe even punched in the head LOL. Who knows you may even have an IL-2 flyer answer you back and you can go for a beer later and discuss flight models and this terrible movie. That's my plan anyway. |
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I wish it was summer because I would walk into the theater with my T-Shirt with Puffs 109 Pilot Art on it.
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I judge all movies these days by seeing if they can measure up to what I consider to be the greatest movie of all time, and from what Ive seen of the trailers I dont think this film is fit to lick 'Teen Wolfs' boots!!
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Probably one to see on the cheap at home. For some mad reason I do feel like I need to see 'air combat' type movies, but usually just end up shaking my head afterwards at 'what might have been' given the money thats spent on them.
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Dark Blue World is the best ww2 flight movie IMHO even if it had the usual love triangle and buchons :( it was still very good
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Dark Blue World is one of the best ones indeed. These trailers really made me feel sorry for the people watching the movie. Really for what kind of audience is it targeted to? Someone with no brains and any clue of WW2 history? Cheebus...Even Memphis Belle with it's inaccuracies was better than this crap. |
I recall Lucas taking over the film and rewriting the script a couple of years ago. I wonder what the original was like.
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I really despise the way American war films tend to never tell the whole truth most seem to glamorise war, we might as well still be in one for all the amount of propaganda that is shoved in our face :(
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I thought the one movie that got things perfect was the 1969 Battle of Britain as far as the depiction of each side went. Probably because pilots from the RAF and Luftwaffe were advisers. If there is a single person in here who hasn't seen it I think you should. After you do I bet you ten dollars you run over to your PC jump into your Spitfire Hurricane or 109 and take to the skies.
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Im a huge noob at this still.
Just Wondering about Germany aces status at the time must have been really high. |
Not to sound like nearmiss, but it's the only WW2 movie regarding fighter pilots we have. ;)
Seriously though, I wonder how many prospective movies of this ganre won't be made based on poor attendance of Red Tails. Probably not many, but even if a few quality ones won't be made for seemingly lack of interest, it would be a shame. I'm on the fence regarding seeing this on the big screen. While watching playoff football with my father the other day, he mentioned he wanted to see this. I'll probably go just to take him. My dad is so anti theatre/cinema, that for him to utter something like this, he must really want to go. So, I'll take him to a matinee. What I do find frustrating is for the same reasons many have said here. With the apparent budget spent on this movie, you'd think they'd hire someone who knows a thing about flight models. The story of the Tuskeegee Airmen is an important part of American history. It deserves to be seen. It sadly is only going to have limited appeal, anyway. Why not make it as accurate as you can? |
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Less "Yippee!"??? |
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http://www.luftwaffe.cz/wick.html An add on :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kRDdnTLeQw |
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Are we talking Teen Wolf 1 or Teen Wolf 2 here? I mean there HAS to be standards, and I don't think I've ever seen a movie as bad as TW2. It would be very difficult to measure up to the sequel. Hech the subject matter alone is enough to float it above TW2...... I hope. ;) |
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Effects and CGI == amazing, but the whole "patriotism" is insane. In that short trailer it just screams "america, we are best times 10" and it kinda puts you off. I'll definitely watch it but i bet its gonna leave a bad an unrealistic taste just like Pearl Harbor. It will be interesting to see how they portray the Germans in the movie..
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Guys, the trailer says: "inspired by true events." That means it's not a documenary.
Movies are only fairy tales. If you don't like it, then don't watch it. |
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Dive into the group/individuals experience but skip the political business. The reason for why its almost never been done before (both for movies, games) is because everyone is scared of how the public will react. I don't deny the facts and I do not agree with what they did and their politics but you can tell stories without acting like it's Star Wars. The same goes for games, most people feel fed up with fighting the "Russians" or "Germans" as the evil nation while the American hero saves the day for the 69th million time. Part reason why i enjoy simulators without any story or games that can actually portray both sides in a fair and respectable way(ie RO2). |
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Would we be nazis because of this no? Some people enjoy watching Saw movies, are they murderers no? Portray them as good fighters or focus on something else instead of the political business. (Or dont involve it at all, just focus a movie on a battle instead of insulting one or the other side from ONE angle). The music industry got past this hurdle a long time ago and you've bands like Sabaton who develop songs about everything from the American Paratroopers to the Polish resistance and the German Ghost Division Tribute. It's been what ~67 years, and thats exactly my whole point. Fed up with yet another American patriotic/biased movie. The discussion is useless because you refuse to see were i am going with this. I shouldn't have to repeat this but you don't get it, its not about the politics. As I've said before I totally disagree with everything they did so I'm not trying to pick sides here. It's about making interesting movies that can display both sides in a fair manner instead of using one angle. And so back to the movie, i'll watch it for the CGI but i bet its gonna leave a bad taste. |
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Yea but I can stand to watch Das Boot after all this time, cant be said for the other one though, Tora Tora Tora beats it hands down as a direct comparison.
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I watch films that have great content storyline and believable characters, not the fact they made millions at the box office. . |
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What happend to "And no one goes to movies that reflect well on people who started massive wars."? What about Valkyrie, the Tom Cruise one, making almost $200.000 world wide? |
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To rate a movie purley by it's financial performance is missing the point. Using that scale would make 'Transformers Dark of the moon' the 4th best film ever made... I can tell you, it aint. Nor is Avatar the best film ever made.. It's a soul-less way to judge a film. Some are chewing gum for the eyes, some are serious artistic pieces of work. Regardless of box office take. As for Red Tails, it looks like a message movie, but at the end of the day when those boys were stepping off the ship back in the USA they were greeted with a sign that said 'Whites to the Left, Blacks to the right' so I don't really see how it can be all 'hell yeah'. I'm sure the action sequences will be spectacular and I don't care about accurate FM, if all action films cared about the laws of physics then life would be pretty dull.. Remeber kids it's the movies, supension of belief and all that.. |
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