Friday Development Update - September 16, 2011
 

Hi everyone,

Quick status update here.

Thank you all for testing the patch. We are continuing to work on the color scheme. Most of the commonly reported beta patch problems have been addressed, save for a few more complex newly introduced graphical glitches. We’re continuing to improve and expand the new sound.

The live version of the patch is tentatively scheduled for next Friday the 23rd. Please for the love of all that is holy note the word “tentatively” in the previous sentence.

We’ve also been playing with stereoscopic 3D for the game. This is NOT the secret feature everyone’s been emailing me about. Nevertheless, it’s really awesome and it really, well, adds another dimension to the game. Coupled with TrackIR it makes the game absolutely mind-boggling.

If you have a compliant monitor and glasses, please enjoy the attached screenshots. Otherwise – sorry, they most likely don’t work like magic eye, so don’t stare at them for too long!


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-I...916_170440.pnghttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9...916_170516.pnghttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-C...916_170623.png

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-v...916_171358.pnghttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-b...916_171522.pnghttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-n...916_171548.png

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-i...916_171917.pnghttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-y...916_171941.pnghttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9...916_174258.png

Images hosted courtesy of Conio

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...8&postcount=27

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Great news! It's all good stuff.

Thanks!

will you do a performance check? We need better performance please

PS.: photos donwt work. tough i dotn have 3d stuff anyway.

Bad links to photos

Can not open pictures.

thx for the info

Nice to hear that 3D will be probably supported.
Thank you very much, good work

link is broken

shit, my avatar glasses don't work with these

but hey thank you for keeping us up to date

Thank you for the update :cool:
Fridaaaaay !! :grin:

Someone will ignore the "tentatively", cheesehawk. Bound to happen. :rolleyes:

but but but.. F1 2011 comes out that day :(

.joke. cant wait. thanks for the update.

tentative [ˈtɛntətɪv]
adj
1. provisional or experimental; conjectural
2. hesitant, uncertain, or cautious
[from Medieval Latin tentātīvus, from Latin tentāre to test]

I got very little love for 'holy' things. But thanks for the update :grin: Its already a lot quieter round here with the new sounds working, more people are playing instead.

Lookin' forward to the official patch whenever it gets here.

thank you for the update!

The images seems to be anaglyph images though.. will IL2 CoD support nvidia 3D stereoscopic gaming mode?

Also, we would really like an update on the situation with radio comms fixing, pretty please.

Sorry, no idea how to fix it. These are large .png files, too large to attach to a post. If I save them as jpegs they lose their quality and lose the effect.

Drats!

you can upload them on mediafire, it's a free files upload server. or imageshack.

Also, we would like a word regarding the annoying terrain missing patches fix, please.

com'on guys, let luthier be for now. they are doin great work, the less hassle for them the better. these guys are actually making this you know!

before you comment they do know whats wrong and whats not, and for the love of everything holy lets let em get on with it. im not insinuatng you dont deserve and answer because you do. but this is there way of doing things.

Thanks for that. :-P

Saved me the trouble of looking it up. Am I the only non-native english speaker who hasn't heard of that word before? And I even had latin at school... :mad:

No Problemo. suggest we put this in everyone sig, that way nobody will forget !

tentative [ˈtɛntətɪv]
adj
1. provisional or experimental; conjectural
2. hesitant, uncertain, or cautious
[from Medieval Latin tentātīvus, from Latin tentāre to test]

tentative = something about tentacles?
I'm non english, so I'm entitled to misunderstanding :D

Don't care one jota about stereoscopic 3D thingie (rather have an AI on the level of A2A BoBII) and precise height FM but the rest of the announcement sounds good enough.

Like the new sounds and with some careful tweaking and filling some holes they should be satisfying.

Thanks, Luthier! Keeping us informed once a week is good for all of us and for your business too!

for me this update means alot. its about a re jig of the architecture the game sits in, this update maybe invislbe to most except in the form of performance, which some already have.... so this patch by my expectations should be about allowing whats still to come to work better and what we have got presently.

im not expecting miracles with this patch, but thereafter i think they might just occur. but after this patch. lol! Tentatively speaking.

Great news Luthier, thank you, and thank you again to keep posting :grin:

Agreed. The sound and the new colors were a major step. If they keep a pace, in 1 year this sim will be impressive.

For those who want to see the full images....

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-I...916_170440.pnghttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9...916_170516.pnghttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-C...916_170623.png

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-v...916_171358.pnghttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-b...916_171522.pnghttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-n...916_171548.png

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-i...916_171917.pnghttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-y...916_171941.pnghttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9...916_174258.png

Thank you very much.

I "hot linked" this into Luthier's post I hope you don't mind :)

Ooh! 3D! Nice! Now I just need to buy a monitor to support it. :)

Man, I'm just getting such great vibes about this game lately. Thanks a lot for the continued support with the patches, guys. :grin:

No, not 3d. How about more important work instead of spending time on a gimick that few have and can use or even care about.

My thoughts exactly. What about the comms and weather? We have been waiting for these from the start and still no word when they are going to work. The lack of comms is severely ruining the single player side of this sim.

As always, Ilya, you have a wonderful sense of humor in your updates :D

Good to see that there's progression, and looking forward to releaseday! Remember to keep the devs fed and watered, as well, as well as allowing them to sleep. Zombies makes bad programmers :P

Thanks for the info update luthier.
No 3d Monitor here but I found going crosseyed close to the screen gave me a brief impression of the depth,very nice.:grin:

That isn't how software development works. There is always someone working on new stuff even while "more important" features still haven't been fixed.

thahks for the update luthier...nevertheless i dont agree with spending time in 3d while the game still has more critical issues to be adressed: performance, serious sli/crossfire support, at least one good offline campaing or engine, weather, comms...dont get me wrong... im happy the game and devs are still on but lets finish the esentials and then go for more fancy stuff like 3d.

Yay 3D, that will please .001% of the already niche crowd.

Performance would be nice, or change in GUI something errr useful ?

Personally I do not like 3d on a 3d screen so do not care but why not for the people how like it if it does not impede other progress.:cool:

Yes we need performance issue addressed ASAP,also luthier can you,s please do something about the ground dust while taking off and landing really slow my computer down like crazy and the stutters still present for me:(

Appreciate the update but I have no idea how you can justify working on 3D when we can't get multi GPU support and I have 3D and couldn't care less if it ever works with COD.

Hahahahahahaha :D

Won't stop me. I'll be here next friday with another moscow time thread ya know. ;-)

Btw, do I need glasses now? I look like a trekkie already damnit.

stereoscopic 3D is already in a lot of games, old ones too, that are not at all designed to be i stereo. It's just a positive side effect of using a 3d card+ some extras

I tried Richard burns rally and got it working in anaglyph (red/cyan) 3d. (Then i got an headache.:-) )

But the developers of that old game didn't spend one minute to get i working in stereo I would assume, since there was no such technology in 2006. But there's still 3D in it. What's it mean?


I see it as a sign that the developers have got the game working properly :-)

This is good news, thanks for the update. :)

All i want is performance first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope FM`s and DM`s plus game performances, are they number one goals?!

cheers

Those issues are probably extremely low on the list of goals for the programmer who is working on the 3D graphics.

Thanks for the update, keep doing what your doing and pay little to no attention to those who have no real life to speak of.

Thank's for the update, and the eye workout:-P

Come on, working on piece of complex software is not like digging a hole..."hey you, you aren't doing anything, grab a shovel"...

Everybody is a specialist, so a coder who works on making the visual system better is no good at 3d modeling and vice-versa.

Is that so hard to understand...

The "I want performance first, drop everything else..." attitude is, I think, coming from very young people.

And thanks for the update, this is going to be so hot !

Keep it civil please......


Everytime Luthier posts on here you lot come in and trash it arguing and bitching amongst yourselves and at the developers.

I'm cleaning up this thread, so lets keep it that way please.

Thanks.





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So who else tried ?Lol:rolleyes:

guilty

Yep guilty on that one too :P

Cheers for the updates Big L,it seems like where starting to really get somewhere with the game running and looking great,very much looking forward to the patch going live.

Luthier thanks for the update.

One of the reason I haven't got into any sort of 3D hardware in the past is that there hasn't been any 3D titles that I've been interested in.

This is soon to change I fear!


Cheers!

I have both a 3D LCD at 120Hz abd nvidia 3D glasses.. but those won't work out unless the 3D is a stereoscopic, not an anaglyph one.

And guys, think they are re-coding the rendering engine. making it also output real 3D format is not a so big extra coding (almost close to not extra work at all, if you're aiming for it from the beginning).

nice! loving this new update - new sounds are amazing.

with those new Sony 3d vr headset's + trackIR this will be some serious next level simming!

i don't think new features and 3d is pulling away from the critical fixes, it means the dev's are fully utilizing their team on this game. besides baseline 3d capability isn't a big game changing re-write these days, you can switch nearly any game to 3d mode using drivers or even directly on the display.

Thank you Luthier for keeping informed me/us. ;)

Nice to hear that most of the beta glitches are gone. Really nice news.


S!

3D :eek: ? Firstly, please do antyaliasing and anizo + solve microstuttering of CoD.

sweet thanks for the heads up

yeah its going to be funny, even though its tentatively, people are going to not notice that part.


just keep giving this game some love and it'll all be good!

hehee.. i think Luthier does it on purpose, picking crazy words that also mean "hopefully" just to mess with everyone's mind. 'Hopefully' anyway

lol

oh my...:shock: whats next..G-force ;-?
Many thanks for the update!!

~S~ :)

Well SLI and Xfire is needed you can can play on this as well.. It will help a lot the 3D images performance..

Hi Luthier,
 

thanks for the news!

3d, hmm ... well, whoever likes it, I dont. (Hope it will be only optional).
Watching movies in cinemas in 3d is not my thing either, I get a headache.
The technology seems not yet well enough developed.

Sorry, dont take it as criticism, I appreciate your efforts to improve the sim but instead of 3d I`d rather like the long ago mentioned moving and changing weather-systems implemented and stutter-free performance.

Anyway, thanks for keeping up the good work.
While waiting for the beta to become final, I play other games like RoF, F.E.A.R., FarCry or NFS-Shift2.
:grin:

No need to scream off, if some ask for different things! I just asked for FM`s and DM`s plus the game performance because I dont really see a talk about this in the updates. I know that a 3d coder is not a FM coder, and different teams in the devs, work on different parts, anyway....

You get jumbed on, on this forum I never have seen before...:rolleyes:

Performance is fine.


"Please for the love of all that is holy note the word “tentatively” in the previous sentence." LoL.

Cheers for the update luthier, I do like to see a sense of humour still alive and kicking.

3d looks cool, i'm guessing there's not a great deal of work in it if everything is a 3d model anyway, case of adding a camera? Whatever, the more features added to the game the better.

Been back into the game since beta release, really enjoying it.

My thoughts too. I wish Sony would have included a gyroscope and accelerometer in their new HMD so no need for trackIR. And, head:camera movements could be scaled 1:1 - if you want to look over your shoulder, you have to look over your shoulder! This would be amazing. Hopefully in a follow up model.

MAC

No it's not.

Having your FPS slow down to a slide show when you get behind smoke, explosions and dust etc online isn't fine.

The FM's are not fine, thought that bit was obvious..DM needs work but IMO atm isn't essential

I agree with you, actually in the beta the FPS are worse, hope they will fix in the final release or this will be basically a step back in my opinion.

The instrument panel of the 109 looks red from the outside.
I have that currently also, I hope this will be fixed.

Qick fix, dial down the eye candy (effects is a good start) and turn of dynamic lighting (for example). Just because YOU cant run it on the settings YOU want doesn't mean the performance isn't any good. Iv had good performance myself from day one, without turning much of mind u, and im starting to feel the need to ask u and other in your situation what u are doing wrong. I never deleted any catches, defraged folders and hoopty dooda etc.

Fm not fine? I wouldn't know, iv never flown a WWII bird but please fill me in on the obvious flaws.

Dm not fine? I wouldn't know, iv never shot at a WWII bird but please fill me in on the flaws.


Look, i really don't know what you and others are expecting performance wise from a game this "heavy"? Cant fly through smoke? Turn graphics down or buy a new pc, seriously, is that something new that came just because CloD was released and they are somehow responsible for it? Ever tried original Crysis or Metro maby? Have you posted the same demands on their forums? Sure, they can gain a frame or two here and there (witch btw is more than u can say for Crysis or Metro) but if you are expecting a 50% increase all of a sudden without sacrificing settings your pc cant handle or buy a new pc for that matter, well, then you are dreaming.

You might as well blame your car for getting you a speeding ticket.


Im having lag and freezes on 10 year old games, what makes CloD so special its now unacceptable and more importantly, what is Luthier and team suppose to do about it? CloD works better than ever for a lot of people and constantly spamming the forums of issues you (dont mean just you or just performance) are having like its a general problems wont fix it. Its NOT a general problem.

+1000

I'm not sure where you get that from what anyone is saying in this thread...

I believe the issue is that the game runs worse (for many of us) with the same graphics settings used before the patch.

+1

I even remember Oleg way back when saying that when the sim gets released even the most powerful PC would only be able to play it on medium settings. We're still on the same generation of CPU's and graphics cards that were around at COD's release.

I'ld say Luthier and team have done wonders to get the performance to the state of the last patch and that's on mid range hardware at that.

Cheers!

Many people want new shiny stuff, but they don't want to "pay" for it, is that what u are saying?

Are we going to have this debate again once the dynamic weather is implemented?

First of all, why should I turn down my settings if till the official patch (1.02) it run not very bad? Second, with or without the effects the slideshow is still there. Third, the problems are random, now you can have good performances with alot of planes, no stutters and no freezes, a minute later alot of stutters and freezes also if you are alone in the sky, for me this mean the game is still not optimized. Buy another PC? my specs are not so bad, and why the culprit should be the user and not the game? So, you are telling the game runs bad on our system because we are not able to make it run good? great idea...

My thought from the start, never thought it would look that good and play on my old system (todays version of CloD is far better than the release version to). Granted it was a Q9550 and Gtx 470 but it was by no means the most powerful pc available (like Oleg said would be required) when CloD was released and yet i see people with far "worse" systems wondering why the performance is so bad while they at the same time are amazed how good the game looks with dynamic lighting.

What am i suppose to say? A game runs fine for 50% and bad for 50% (random numbers), what conclusion can one make from that? As far as im consened there is only one to be made. Its not like they are selling 2 different versions of the game.

Sry.


Why am i having freezes and lag on 10 year old games and the next guy dont? Games fault? You can stubbornly hold on to "not going to dial down settings because it worked fine on the least version", but does it help you in any way, does it solve the problem?


Anyways, i don't think this discussion is meant for this thread.



Edit: Dont know if u are talking on or offline or both but there is a huge difference.

Sounds very promising - bugs ironed out before official patch is released - takes time and no problem with that!

I would guess Luthier avoids reading the 'up date threads' he posts because of the 'questioniong' this and future updates. Hopefully he, or someone in his team, reads the forum threads regards the issues mentioned and takes note. They are relevant and need to be fixed somewhere down the line.

PC Configuration

* OPERATING SYSTEM: Windows® 7 / Vista SP2 / Windows XP SP3
* PROCESSOR: Pentium® Dual-Core 2.0GHz or Athlon™ X2 3800+ (Intel Core i5 2.66GHz or AMD Phenom II X4 2.6GHz recommended)
* RAM: 2GB (4GB recommended)
* VIDEO CARD:DirectX® 9.0c compliant, 512Mb Video Card (1GB DirectX® 10 recommended) – See supported List*
* DIRECT X®: DirectX® 9.0c (included on disc)
* DVD-ROM DRIVE: 8X
* SOUND CARD: DirectX 9.0c compatible (… recommended)
* HARD DISK: 10GB
* PERIPHERALS: Mouse, keyboard
* MULTIPLAY: Broadband connection with 128 kbps upstream or faster
* An internet connexion is required to activate the game

im in between minimun and recomended. and the gmae will lag and freeze with low settings.

I have no issues with the game requiring a minimun fo an i9 32gb ram and 5 gtx960 on uber SLI, but that should be said on the box. i baught this game becosue i had the settings to run it.

I completely agree with u here and i cant for the life of me understand why those recommendations still stands.

Everyone knows its not even close. At least not minimum requirements.

I would say that their recommended specs is , at best, minimum requirement.






I blame UBI. ;)

Dialing down the settings don't solve the problems.
Where you got those statistics? anyway, I tested it online and offline, and IMO who say it runs fine haven't properly tested the beta patch, that's all...
You can go on the sukhoi.ru forum, use google translator if you need it, and you'll see how many of the users reports bad performance with this beta. Look again at your statistics Baron...

becouse it is imposible to switch recommended settings nad minimu nafter going gold.

You just cant sell a product that says "will work with this PC" and 6 months after go "Ooops, we were wrong, it wont work after all".

the only way for MG to clean its name is performance increase, fullfill their indications.

Thanks Luthier.

or even afford :(

Thanks for the Update Luthier, but most of the responses indicate why you shouldn't bother letting the community in on future aspects of the sim.

I see the 3D stuff as a byproduct of the general work (or should I say rework ?) of the graphics engine and less as a project in itself. The way I understand the system the 3D effect is generated by the driver of the GFX card so there is not much the coders need to do (apart from adapting the engine to the general requirements).

As for the rest ... waiting is the keyword here. :cool:

yeah... right now that Ilya started to post again are you trying to stop him? what is your purpose?

He wasn't trying dude, hes just fed up that Luthier has shown off a new capability in this sim and already ppl are moaning about it... I haven't gone 3D yet but whose to say that is not the future of games at least they are catering for ppl that have spent money on this tech.

I interpreted it differently, but if it is how you say then yes... most people here I think want news about performance increase and bug fixing, they don't care about a future 3D support. :grin:

Why the hell they saved the screenshot in a sort of "interlaced stereo PNG" that seems impossible to correctly decode instead of using a side-by-side format?

Sad, sad, sad, we have to wait even if we own a stereoscopic 3D system :(

To be honest I dont think performance is an issue anymore, it runs fine on my rig and I would say my rig is pretty much minimum spec for this game.
You have to wonder why some people are having problems especially with much better newer PCs than mine.
Perhaps its the bigger or more is better mentality, ie if you try to run at max settings and superhigh resolutions you can expect problems, also if you of the opinion that "why should i turn settings down just to play this game" you also dont believe you should turn off background processes, clean up and defrag drives and clear out caches.

my rig.

win7 home premium 64bit
X64-based PC
intel Core 2 Quad cpu Q8300 @ 2.50GHz(4CPU)
4 Gig RAM
DX 11
NVIDIA Geforce GTS 250 (1 Gig RAM)
Saitek AV8R joystick
TrackIRv5

As you see its not cutting edge is it !

Please, could you post your in game video settings? Thanks,

Dude, what are you going on about..?

This was a Beta being tested Yes? the Beta being tested produced stutters which i never had before in close action situations..im reporting it along with lots of others

Turn eye candy down....erm...NO i dint before theis Beta and im sure not going to because the Beta that created turns into an official release...Do you know how silly that sounds?

The rest youve posted makes no sense to me in sorry.. il sum it up for you though

before BETA that were were TESTING = no stutters at close quarters at MAX settings

After bETA that we were TESTING = Stutters at close quarters at MAX settings..

But I do hear what your trying to imply...I now need to turn GFX settings down because they have now introduced something that will make the game run worse....then include it in a official release

lol nice one

This is the best news I've heard for ages -am thrilled you guys are going to fully support stereoscopic 3D. Many years ago (back when nVidia's stereoscopic drivers also supported OpenGL) I loved playing IL2:FB in 3D and it will be great to finally be able to play IL2:COD in the same way.

Can I just make one small request with regard to its implementation? Can you please ensure that the text labels/icons next to other aircraft (which tell you their range etc) are drawn at the same depth as the corresponding aircraft and not at screen depth? (Having these drawn at screen depth was the one flaw in 3D with the earlier IL2 series and was really really distracting as it forces your eyes to continually refocus as you look from the aircraft to the label and back).

Also, is there any chance of seeing some 3D screenshots in the more common .jps format? (I have nVidia 3D Vision glasses and a 3D projector but was unable to view the .png files in 3D).
Many thanks,
DD

P.S. I think this can be viewed as a really positive step even for those who don't yet have 3D compatible setups, as it suggests the team are thinking ahead to a long future for the series. Even if your current TV or monitor doesn't support 3D, the next one you buy almost certainly will and for a series like IL2 to thrive in the long run, 3D support will be essential.

exellent, thanks for that news and +1 for this 3D performance upgrade idea.
Shure all the haerts from 3D experienced players stoped for a moment.
Myself is flyn Ka50 on stereoscopie, and its the most effective tool, to bring the sim more alive, i ever found !

Respect

You have no idea how happy it makes me to hear that.

Yes it is mind boggling, the people who don't have it, especially for this game don't know what they are missing out on.

Please make a couple of AI planes flyable soon!

Yeah,and make one of them the Wellington;),ok back to the original thread.

please add 2 important italian missing airplane in the BOB scenario CANT1007 and caproni 133.
http://www.constable.ca/caah/cant1007.jpg
http://www.century-of-flight.net/Avi...images5/88.jpg

thanks for the update luthier :) lookin forward to the next patch :)

thats the spirit for the updates:grin: