Lucas does Red Tails...
 

it's coming out after all, although it smells to yet another CGI fest. anyway those who didn't can have a look at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpA6TC0T_Lw

and a movie of this guy?

http://www.barnesreview.org/images/e...terace_sml.jpg

:cool:

God, those FMs are hurting my eyes. :rolleyes:

I'll go drink a bunch of beers and play that again in few hours. Maybe then it will look more credible.:|

It's sad when this hollywood idiots mess up history this bad. This is a very important chapter in African American history and the real history was bloody great as it was.
Why do you have to twist it in this way? :(

Bunch of idiots.

You haven't even seen it yet, wow. And I thought i was a pessimist.

I'll just copy/paste what i wrote elsewhere:

My opinion is, i'm surprised this got made at all, with the, putting it lightly, lack of interest in this era from young people today (I say that as if i'm old, i'm only 23, which means i'm in touch enough to know this about 'young' people).

I'll definitely be seeing it, if anything to compare it to the original movie. However, it concerns me that the film will be full of 'symbolism' to somehow relate to todays political and social issues (as in Avatar). I hope that isn't the case, and they've stuck to the historical proceedings.

The CGI looks good, and i hope that the aircraft schemes/markings are accurate to their period/theatre.

Where the heck did they get the ideas for those sounds??? From playing CloD??

Please tell me this is a parody, not a real movie. At 2:15 the bf 109 gets shot in the wing by a P51 and as the wings comes off the bf 109 magically becomes a Me 262.

It's going to suck as bad a Pearl Harbor.

They can't even get the paint schemes on the German aircraft correct, and since when did P-51s have thrust vectoring?

:rolleyes:

the CGI didn't convince me that much, especially after seeing CloD models in real time; the flames and smoke trails are nothing to brag about IMO and the shot of the P-51 on 2:14 looks kinda video game (a criticism to film and compliment to VG on equal measure); not that the way it's shot does any favors. but maybe they're using placeholders on some effects :confused:

That is going straight dvd..

he was not american :rolleyes:

Not with their marketing money.

You might want to watch the clip again, because your description of that part is absurd.

Give a chance...
 

Technical and historic details aside, how often do we get a film that covers what we all appreciate?!
Of course, they're make it look like '40's star wars, but I'll take what I can get!
If it helps keep the memory alive of all the sacrifce that millions made, I'll keep my fingers crossed it's not a total waste of time and money...
:neutral:

I noticed a lot of "Hollywood" stuff in there. Why can't these film makers just keep things historical?

I'll watch it for sure despite the inaccuracies, but i don't think i'll go to a movie theater so it's going to be a DVD rental for me.

Come to think of it, i've watched and even enjoyed other not to realistic films that feature some aviation but the only one i saw in a theater was memphis belle.

What i'd really like to see is Peter Jackson doing the Dambusters remake as was rumored at some point. I know you'll all say "it's the guy who did lord of the rings and king kong", but i think he's a good choice.

Rumor has it he's an aviation buff so he might just do it justice and he's also been involved in other historical productions. I think he shot a special short film for the ANZAC museum in New Zealand, you go into the museum and there's a full scale trench diorama you can sit in and over the top of the trench is the projection screen where the film is displayed, showing a WWI infantry charge.

I just pray that the German aircraft have swastikas on them so we don't have to endure 50 pages of complaints about that.

David Hayward

Watch again:

At 2:15 a P-51 loop like a Fokker Dr.1 and shoot at left wing of yellow wing tip Bf-109.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1856/rt1.jpg

In the next frame a Me-262 lost this left wing...

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/7114/rt2sm.jpg

Hope that this (dis)continuity be only in trailer... :P

Sokol1

I'm assuming that's just sloppy editing with regards to the trailer.

One thing you can count on in this film. . . Wilhelm screams x1000

Of course it's absurd, that's why I mentioned it. The mistake in the trailer is called a "continuity error", look it up.

[Edit] see Sokol1's post above

There is no such thing as a "continuity error" in a trailer. It was a montage of combat scene clips from the movie. If the same thing happens in the movie, then it's a "continuity error".

I see, it's a word game here, I didn't realize my posts had to be approved by a grammar nazi. :rolleyes:

Grammar has nothing to do with it. It was obviously a montage of clips from the movie. Using your "logic" we can also criticize the trailer for having pilots magically transported from the ops building to Germany in 2 seconds.

Let it go David, you didn't see what I was talking about in the trailer, hence you called my description "absurd", then after Sokol1, who did see and understand, posted images to illustrate it, you turned it into a word game.

hey Lord of the Rings are great movies, it was no easy task. of course it could have been different, but see not many ways to do it better. if Dambusters goes forward i also trust it will turn out ok.

While there are undoubtedly many errors in this movie, I think the above was caused by the trailer-editor-probably-knows-nothing-about-WWII-fighters effect. (the 109 cut to a shot from a different scene featuring a 262)

EDIT: Wow I'm late. Must've neglected to refresh/missed the page count

Trailer looks good. Lucas is also a vintage aviation afficiando so he will have put in a fair bit of love (and cash) to this project.

For the record the the freaky maneuver with the p-51 pulling a stall turn and shooting up the me 262 did by some accounts happen. There was an episode of that history channel's dog fights about it.

There will be some smaltzy moments - the film has to make money after all.

Tell your friends and go see it at the cinema chaps. Who knows - if it sells lots of tickets it could revive the genre and the sim market as well.

You guys are nuts.

It's movie: The primary purpose of a movie is to generate money - not please some virtual fighters jocks with realistic FMs or historically correct paint schemes.
In other words: We are only a few and therefore notr really important.

Although the theme imho sux, I'll rather have crappy movie one than none.

George , you are no Ridley Scott.

No, I saw exactly what you saw, and it was obviously a montage. But, let's assume for a second you are right. Let's assume that the movie has a scene where a P-51 driver shoots the wing off a 109 which then morphs into a 262.

Do you think that:

a. The people who made this movie really don't know the difference between a 262 and a 109.

or

b. it's a plot device to get the movie from mid/late 1944 to the end of the war.

Basically, there are 2 possibilities.

1. You made an absurd assumption.

2. You made an absurd assumption.

You obviously have some sort of fixation on me. In any case, I have better things to do than engage with my latest internet stalker. If you want to further discuss the scene at 2:15, please address your posts to the one who kindly went to the trouble to illustrate my point with screenshots so that you could understand:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...1&postcount=16

Now, kindly remove yourself from my leg, nobody here is interested in seeing such a display, which has no place in this discussion.

Your surrender is duly noted.

I sometimes feel that a 'smiley' here and there, tends to take the chill out, wouldn't you agree? :mrgreen:
Or am I being over sensitive? :confused:

To much lag for my likeing:rolleyes:

Blimey, Doc!
You like to start early... Can't get enough of the sparkling conversation, or what?
;)

Two words..

Pearl Harbour

been up since 5.30:) no point waisting a good day

Morning lads. :)

It had sounds and trees, at the same time! The advancement of technology these days. :)

yeah its not historically accurate,

but like others mentioned historically accurate doesn't sell. Not in movies, not in entertainment, not in video games.

Best selling game is Call of Duty . . . but that's hardly accurate. But what does is it imparts a feeling of how most imagine a soldier would be as unrealistic as it is.

Its nowhere near the quality and heart (although it does have have that), historical and realism as a great sim would.

Look at UFC, its top selling and those guys think they are the bomb. Its not realistic, but its a sport that sells.


Realism doesn't really appeal that much. UNless you are a history buff, or dealing with critical issues such as in the ER or Iraq / Afghanistan etc.


What is great about hollywood movies like Pearl Harbor, Saving PRivate Ryan, MEmphis Belle, is it gets people thinking about warbirds or what the WW 2 generation went through. I remember Pearl Harbor, my brother who can name more Laker players than WW 2 military participants, started asking and when I told of shangrila and Doolittle, he said that was a really cool story and said they should have played up on the Japanese side.



And kudos for Lucas for doing Red Tails.

The sad thing is, that's what society wants. Sex sells, mindless action. Look at the box office blockbusters and you can name 10 different movies that have better plot, story, theme, drama, character development, and other elements (like the ohhh new tech that drives sci fi or ohhh new spell / dragon for fanatasy etc) movie that are way better / don't recycle rehashed ideas . . .

Its the weakness of American culture, to want convenience over quality. the easy button instead of hard work.

it's the dark end of an idea driven society. Ideas can drive men (and women) to greatness but the love of ideals can overtake the actualization of the ideals. Also homogenizing of society, convenience has one size fits all since its easier just to make one version than 20 versions . . .

We can play witness to the degradation of society's want for quality. instead of the best there is, we've settled into just getting by.

Movies, music, material goods . . . anything . Ok I'm generalizing over the top but anyways.


I just hope HOllywood puts a good story and makes it moving like Medal of Honor or hurt locker / restrepo and keeps the Tuskegee story pretty much intact (well they may over dramatize it like they did with facebook movie and other movies).

Well Lucas here's to wishing A new hope isn't just Star Wars IV

Already been made for TV. Starred Laurence Fishburne, John Lithgow and Cuba Gooding Jr. and was a good film IIRC ...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114745/

PPP

It's already been made?!

well i will definitely watch that movie.i didnt even know that it will be produced, so thx for the thread.
to be honest, i dont expect it to be very accurate, but i dont really care.it will be a action movie with nice warbirds, and regarding the trailer, a lot of dogfights.thats enough to entertain me.
the trailer looks at least more promising than pearl harbor or top gun.so i will watch it.
and by the way, when i look at the other action movies that come to the cinemas nowadays, this one will be on my topmovie list for 2012.hey its a film about ww2 warbirds.

Really?

I hope it's a movie about the racial discrimination during the WW2... if it's a movie about ww2 warbirds then those guys are totally hopeless.

Another American generation who gets brainwashed...

It's a propaganda movie for modern audiences. The US has a pretty rough time right now, so there is nothing better then some good old fashioned WW2 gloryfying going on. Nothing wrong with that, imho, if it produces some spectacular pictures. (Does, trailer gave me goose bumps, totally going to see it :D )

Just funny how much yellow these guys use on german planes, particulary on that Me262's tail. Connection to modern german state symbols to not confuse some education vaccuums too much?
Or simply to give the enemy their own brand color opposed to the "Red" tails?

well exactly that, i fear that it will be.about racial discrimination.but we have already seen that in pearl habour and some other movies.any way i dont care.its a hollywood movie, so we shouldnt expect much accurance.thats all i was trying to say.and that i will watch it, cause the movie will contain dogfights of ww2 warbirs.so nothing to argue about with me here.

I have been following the development of this movie for a while now, they used real warbirds to shoot some of the scenes (the airbase that you see, which is supposed to be Italy, was actually shot in Czech Republic, and they used real P-51s and P-40s for flybys and other scenes) and despite the fact we already had a movie about Tuskegee Airmen, I was wondering what things would have been like when George Lucas put his hands on the genre..

The thing that puts me off it, like someone else said, is that he treated it like a "Star Wars of the 40s", with improbable points of view and scenes that defy physics for the sake of spectacularity (like the P-51 tumbling backwards and hitting the Me262), but making it a kind of ridiculous toy.

Dark Blue World, and to a certain extent The Red Baron were the last movies made with intelligence on the subject. The Pearl Harbor issue wasn't the aerial scenes per se (which were relatively ok, considering that there again, they used real planes), it was the appalling romance plot and acting.

I think i'm going to agree with Stearnjaeger. I remember seeing photos from the shooting in Czech Republic, they also had a B-17 there with them.

Ditto also on DBW and the Red Baron which did suffer from its own set of inaccuracies (Lanoe Hawker flying an Se5a?!) and romance sub-plot but was generally believable in how the aircraft acted.


I don't disagree, i watched all of the LOTR movies too. I was trying to say that while people might be put off by the fact that Jackson is a well known fantasy films director, he is also very interested in aviation and history and could possible give us a realistic movie. Let's hope so ;-)

Wow.

:) Exactly my thoughts

right, damage model looks good. but FM is worse than an arcade game.
also, shooting down a bomber is seems way too easy in this trailer.
but anyhow who would understand us??

+1

This thread is another classic example that people here can quarrel over the most ridiculous things when there are no updates or patches.

Dont think updates or patches have anything to do with this thread mate? how did you come to that conclusion?

The OP has gave us something to look at and people have commented..whats the big deal?

regardless on how badly they make the FM's appear is a Pearl harbour-esq way I will still watch it..fact!

Il watch it for the scenery, special effects and rare chances to see some ww2 birds in action, i couldn't give a rats a$$ on how cheesy it is, like i said il still watch it as will a lot if not all of the people who have posted in this thread i suspect

Well I suppose it's natural,this bit of the forum has become the O/T playground,because a) we got technical sub-forums b) there's no updates to talk about ;-)

Let's call it "hangar chat"

I thought this one was pretty good already.

http://www.videodetective.com/movies...n-trailer/6114

As someone said, the new one looks like 'Pearl Harbour revisited'.

I'll go just to see P40s in flight.

It is my favorite aircraft of all time after all.

I'd certainly watch it for the P-40's too. With Lucas at the helm, I would not expect expect a mature approach though. However I am sure there will be a exhaustive range of Red Tails toys available to go with the film.

Interesant the scene with the P-51 with Luftwaffe markings. About this time there was a lot of confussion and mistakes over Germany. Kozedub in his La-7 was engaged by P-51s and he shot down two of theses in self defense, some V-VS Yak-9s were also shot down by USAAF P-51s and at least one B-24 crossing the Oder line by mistake was shot down by Soviet fighters.

Thank you for this information, didnt know it but now i will watch it when released

i

Jesus, you ingrates. Forget about the CGI, and the damn paint schemes. This is a movie celebrating one of the most successful fighter squadrons of WWII, not to mention the pure astronomical adversity that these pilots had to fight through just to prove how brave they were.

I had the honor of listening to one of these Tuskeegee Airmen speak at my squadron and let me tell you. Nothing that has happened in this AIR FORCE Since vietnam has been more heroic and downright humbling than what those pilots did in Europe.


I swear, reading this forum feels like a kick in the gut sometimes. You fools have NO idea what the GAME is all about. Or what kind of real men it took to go up and accomplish what so many before us have. You, nor I have ever seen war like these men did. And hell, Ive been shot at in Iraq.


Un-believable. Absolutly ZERO respect.

Gents, I have to be honest and say I was quite looking forward to seeing this film, but sadly, after watching the trailer I felt complete dismay with one line that is to be used in the story and it appears in the trailer too.

At 32-seconds in one of the 15th Airforce Generals' is heard to say "I want Pilots who will look after the Bombers and not just think about themselves!" (or words very similar).

To be honest I my jaw fell and I was quite angry to hear that.

In the time I have been researching the history of the 325th I have heard many stories of Pilots putting their lives at risk to look after their 'Big Friends' and this insinuates that every Pilot was only interested in dogfighting rather than protecting their charges. I am sure 31stFG pilots will be just as upset to hear this huge generalisation that only the 332nd would and could do this.

To be honest I feel like boycotting this film fo such a slight against all the pilots (other than the 332nd) who took part in the MTO, as you can imagine I am quite angry about this.

Sadly, as always happens, Hollywood decides History is an inconvenience to a good story, wheras the actual story of the 332nd needs no assistance, it was incredible!

MP

Take a look at this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...etgraphic1.jpg

you hit this right on the head bro.

I love how it says "Inspired by TRUE EVENTS", the first word probably being somewhat determining of the content of the movie ;)

I think that is the point everybody here is trying to make. This film by the "star wars guy" will not pay a worthy tribute, it will more likey be as fitting to the Tuskegee Airmen as the Pearl Harbour movie was to those who died in the USS Arizona. What people are railing against are the shallow mock-tributes of the Hollywood film industry, not the courage and sacrifice of the original airmen.

While it would be wrong to discredit another Unit in any shape or form, try to keep two things in mind here. As we have proven in other posts on different subjects. Some of these Clips have been taken out of context. Also consider that, in some missions. This DID happen.

Its a crappy plot device to strip in down to assumptions of inability, or "want" to properly complete a mission. But again this isn't a movie about those other squadrons. Its about the 332nd.

Its a Hollywood war movie from George Lucas.
I don't expect much in the way of accuracy, but will probably end up watching it at some point, just for the 'LOL!' moments, the 'WTF!' moments, and the 'FFS!' moments... ;)

While it would actually make me feel better if this were true. Im pretty sure those complaining about FM were just touting their E Pean "I know so much about FM's that I Can say those FM's are terrible" without even giving one iota of thought to what the movie is trying to do.

Ah,so here's where all you whiners are hiding!
I was already wondering............:confused:

I'm pretty sure that almost everyone here is mature and intelligent enough to see that what Lucas is trying to do is to earn money by creating a movie that gives the impression of being a tribute to the airmen, but as I see it, the real reason for making the movie shines through as far more have been spent on creating "good" action than really creating a historical and authentic atmosphere that would really make people see what they went through. IMO this just looks like a run of the mill Hollywood action flick.
And personally I feel it's more of a mockery than a tribute.

i took another close look, the p-51 actually hit an 109, and then the scene was quickly cut to an me262 being shot off a wing.

shooting down bomber is made too easy in this film. most likely they have "realistic gunnery" turned off.

i'm really looking forward to this movie, but i'll probably ended up being disappointed and cursing the FM all the way through. :grin:

oh and did u guys see the livery of those 109s? geez.... they really should have done some more research.

some things seem to be intrinsic in this threads, whatever they're about. btw star wars was shot to resemble ww2 dogfights, that's rather evident in some scenes (the way tie-fighters dive in formation, the AA following the x-wings, the crash on the executor resembles kamikaze attack) so if this one turns out overdone and futuristic maybe darth vader will appear saying "the circle is now complete" :rolleyes:

Give it a chance you nerds.

As I recall, Star Wars was pretty accurate... :) :|

oh well..

It appears that modeling gravity is harder than you would think! :-D

C'mon guys, take it easy... It's a LucasArts attempt to tell an amazing true story about an amazing period in history!
But y'know they've got to make money, or else they won't be able to afford to patch it :rolleyes:

Seriously though, it has to have a broader public appeal, than to just this small, but highly educated elite group of experts ( and I mean that in all honesty)
Hence, the over-the-top FMs, etc. Etc.

I truly hope it does not end up like 'Pearl Harbor'!!! But I think the underlying facts will shine through, regardless.

Please don't start world war III... You know there are not enough real warbirds left to go round!!!

Break! break! break!.... Have a nice weekend! :mrgreen:

what about pearl harbor?
Pearl Harbor was my all time favorite movie and THE movie that got me into aviation. I remember I was really into history till the day I saw pearl harbor. After watching it I put down all my history books and started reading aviation magazines. hahahahah

If not for pearl harbor, i wouldn't have played IL-2 to begin with, wouldn't have heard about CloD, wouldn't be here talking with u guys. :rolleyes:

The one with affleck?

More love than a hippy commune!!!

Not enough flying and fighting! (but cgi was ok)

;)

This movie has been in development for about 10 years. It's been cut, re-cut, shot, re-shot, added to and modified from start to finish. Sounds a bit like CloD. Anyway, like many have said we WWII fighter fanboys don't have many movies to choose from :( so I'll keep my hopes up that this won't be as bad as some we have seen of late.

No, YOU are missing the point. If this movie gets the German paint schemes wrong it is actually a slap in the face to those airmen. Same goes for the flight models. Or the cloud algorithms. Or any other minor flaws we can find.

Next thing you guys start is a flame war over Wehrmacht tactics in Indiana Jones.

I wonder if a Star Wars forum somewhere is up in arms, because the P-51 @ 2:15 in the trailer turns on a dime!

And for those claiming the CGI has no problems, just take a look at that one part.

Doesn't bother me, personally. Just saying.

And those 262's roll suspiciously fast.

Anyway, remember -

WE FIGHT, WE FIGHT, WE FIGHT, WE FIGHT.

as long there is no lovestory (at least not too much of it) in the movie - i will watch it !

Aircombat movies are to count on one hand in a decade......................

oh yeh, i knew something about those me262s looked weird.
1. they roll incredibly fast;
2. during their roll, they don't yaw at all. something that often seen in arcade flight games.

another thing about one of the ME262s was that its nose was painted entirely of yellow, which i don't think is historically accurate.

I read that the yellow on the 262's, though isn't accurate, may help them in removing any swastikas/markings in post-processing, for countries/organisations that object to it.

Also, there is a love story. Confirmed by someone involved in the filming.

Exactly... Don't get me wrong, I love women... I mean my wife! But there a time and place...
Otherwise, it's an insult to history.
Many brave women have put themselves in peril throughout history, but they would not want their sacrifice belittled by Hollywood stardust...

Night Witches...?

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
GREAT ONE MATE, very true i'm still laughing.

just of imagine people watching indiana jones with a book of military tactics complaining about everything

Maybe all swastikas should be reversed... Just to take the edge off?...

This whole movie could be fixed really quick, with the opening "in a galaxy far far away..."

If the film does justice to the story then ok il prob watch it and try to forget the P51 pulling a tie fighter turn and the rest of the awful CGI.

Did they get the roll rate in there from the AI roll rate in COD? :o

Oh and David Hayward, nice work again... they stuff you wrote in this thread actually made me gasp :grin:

If that movie got you into airplanes, that's great. :)

People who were already into airplanes went to see Pearl Harbor because we wanted a remake of Tora Tora Tora with modern visual effects, but saw three hours of sappy soap opera instead.

Here's hoping Red Tails is closer to Tora Tora Tora than it is to Pearl Harbor. Even if the planes handle unrealistically, it can still be a good movie.

[QUOTE=Hooves;317035]Jesus, you ingrates. Forget about the CGI, and the damn paint schemes. This is a movie celebrating one of the most successful fighter squadrons of WWII, not to mention the pure astronomical adversity that these pilots had to fight through just to prove how brave they were.

I had the honor of listening to one of these Tuskeegee Airmen speak at my squadron and let me tell you. Nothing that has happened in this AIR FORCE Since vietnam has been more heroic and downright humbling than what those pilots did in Europe.


I swear, reading this forum feels like a kick in the gut sometimes. You fools have NO idea what the GAME is all about. Or what kind of real men it took to go up and accomplish what so many before us have. You, nor I have ever seen war like these men did. And hell, Ive been shot at in Iraq.


Un-believable. Absolutly ZERO respect.[/QUOTE]

Yes, and it will proberly turn into a stupid love story

in fact this movie is just a remake of the 1995 movie "Tuskegee airmen".

really good movie!

looking at the part that is 4 messerschmitt 262 "in formation", my ask is...

the formation of that plane was not allways of 3 planes?

and why they was staking the formation like do the fw190 or Bf 109, if the 262 directly need use is max velocity to attack and go away. They dont use standars tacticals, they was special force.

hope lucas change the software of the machine, or maybe when the me262 shoot his mk108, the sound will be "schiw" "schiw" "schiw"
:rolleyes:

Which stuff was that, furbs? Was it the part where I pointed out that only an idiot would assume that the people who produced this movie would not know the difference between a 109 and a 262?

More Hollywood brain washing ...

I can just see the treads coming now ... "I've flown the P-51 just like they did in Red Tails but I can't catch the 262 in CoD ... the FM is porked" :rolleyes:

Looks more "Pearl Harbour" than "Dark Blue World" so can't say as I'm too excited.

The only modern-era production I have any hope for in terms of realistic portrayal of aircraft physics (why do all CGI productions have to suck so bad?) is Jackson's Dambusters remake, although given the way the dog issue turned out it's already lost all historical credibility.

If it makes you feel any better you can say "nigger" as much as you want at home since the movie isn't going to include it.

How does the dog even have any impact on the film? Did it work the bombsights when they were targeting the dams in Germany? If that one little thing is going to ruin the movie for you, then you have serious problems.

What people are complaining here about Red Tails is that from a 2 minute trailer they've already been able to find enough mistakes to pretty much rule it out as being anything other than a story that happens to be based on true events.

I can live with the dodgy CGI if the film is good, but to say that a bunch of geekish flight sim guys on a flight sim forum arnt going to rip the iffy CGI apart is a little silly.

We rip each other apart over much less.

Oh and David, you wouldn't understand, if you did, you wouldn't of said it in the first place.

Ah, Black people (because those are basically the only movie-worthy pilots of WW2, as evidenced by several movies already made, nothwithstanding Ben or the Belle), vs Nazi's (because that's what ALL Germans were in WW2). Great. I can't wait. Also, planes that clearly weigh nothing at all and have no inertia, as CGI always manages to put so obviously on display.

Seriously though, could somebody make a movie that portrays at least some elements of the war from the German side without making them all out as comic bad guys? This was after all a titanic struggle involving another side, in all it's complexity, and they WEREN'T ALL BABY-MURDERING NAZI'S! Surely there must be some movie worthy story from their side (NOT Tom Cruise AAAAARGH epic failing as Graf Stauffenberg pleeeeeaaaase!) I say this not in support of the Germans, but merely for the 'please can we have something FRESH FFS!' aspect!

/Rant

No all German soldiers look like "orcs" and only say "ja ja ja"

For the most part that's true, there are some good exceptions as you know i guess.

It's nice to see Cuba gooding do this role again.

It looks like a 'message' movie set in WW2 more than a film about WW2.. Oh well, I'll probably watch it enjoy it for what it is and also enjoy pulling it to bits.

Also looks like another hollywood re-write of history for artistic reasons..

I think there's also a big nod to Star Wars in this, anyone else reminded of Porkins (from A New Hope) death when watching the trailer?

It is a Lucasarts film so it'll probably have references to other movies throughout... Like ET in the Ball turret of a B-17, or something..

I totally agree on the CGI being inertia-less, when is sombody going to do some CGI that looks like it has some weight to it?