hello luthier!
 

nice to see you here!
is it possible to get any update on the progress???

yes, that would be nice.

well he is gone again!at least it was worth a try.
mods you can remove this thread.

seriously, was he taking the mickey with that post or is it just me?

LOLLLLLING at luthier's post sticked and locked, welcome US customers, that says all

Why? He has just reiterated what he has said on previous occasions. Fair enough he has been quiet for 18 days but if he has nothing more to add to the promises he has already made then why bother.

Two things...

If they had a brain they would know that there are problems and have purchased it regardless.

It's Ubi that are responsible for the us release, if they want to moan they should aim it at Ubi for releasing a game that is known to have problems.

Bigger picture:


Americans are the king of complaint; we just released this thing to them,
despite recommendations not to release in the first place but that is a another thread in itself.

patch while they are ordering the game, waiting for fed ex or for them to just finished wiping their cars down it's time to cruise so they head to the summertime game depot . . .

Make a End of the week patch available, 1 (working) patch can silence many.

From Luthiers recent sticky: "The game ... is currently a #1 top selling Simulation title on steam!"

Now, how cool is that! I just can´t wait for all of them new customers come rioting here. The US release is motivated with nothing but pure desperation.

"We are already working on a sequel as we continue to support and improve Cliffs of Dover."

In the previous sentences he explained how small of a team they are. It´s great that they have time to work on a sequel, while the core game is still in it´s present, hideous state.

I really don´t care about the roadmaps or any kind of information anymore, ´cause this all is getting rather silly. The actions taken by the devs, publisher, anyone related to the production of this game are really shameful.

I personally would like to see some coherent results with these patches, some constant progress. Every patch so far has been just desperate back-and-forth attempt to fix what now seems to be pretty rotten core.

Who can seriously defend this kind of bad business? I mean, really? "They´ll fix it, you´ll see" - explanation is not enough anymore, nor is "this is the only WWII-sim coming for ages, so you gotta defend it"

And the very selective censorship in this forum is making me sick. Same guys can say whatever they want, however rude without any consequences, while some "known troublemakers" get banned or get their posts deleted at first instant, EVEN THOUGH they didn´t break any of the forum rules. Yes, criticisms are pretty much repetitive, but then again, so is this bad business model. They´ve done it again.

"That means that the team is growing, we are hiring, and we’re not going anywhere."

Is it some kind of threat?

goodbye €'s,HELLO $$'s.....................:rolleyes:

This is like the nut house :)

Everyone's begging for Luthier to say something. So what happens? Luthier responds with a confirmation of continued support and about the lack of communication.

Basically he finally comes here to say something and now everyone goes back to putting on the tin foil hats. And anyone really needs to wonder why the communication is lacking around here? He doesn't post, everyone is crying. He posts, everyone's crying.

I mean, cmon fellas..

Wait a minute..






















Ok, phew.. Lets go back to that dead horse again :grin:

They do not want communication or the game fixed. They need a subject to complain about as they get more emotional benefits from it as I explain in another thread about forums quality. Negative personalities will remain negative, you will see.

Im sorry but Luthiers post *swear word* me more than before, he says he reads this forum?? and them comes on and posts that?

What have they been doing for the last 4 weeks???

Que Carguy, Blackdog, robtek and the others to now tell me "look he posted" be calm, just wait, your being silly.

you guys wait and play nice, im happy for you, i really am. but dont even reply to me cos i dont care and im not listening ok?

Me? im *swearwords* off like you wouldnt believe with that waste of internet space post.

And how soon you forget the number of months we all waited before we could even enjoy a 10 minute session on the current flight sim you play.

no bliss, i aint forgot that, i remind myself and others of that almost every day, but is that acceptable, to have to wait months?? i also remember the uproar over at that other flight sims forums, are you telling me luthier and his gang didnt have the time even then to look at those forums, and learn from their mistakes?? bliss, the game has massive deep lying issues, yer they say they will be fixed and have recently confirmed their continued support, but they have just released a title they know is buggy as hell, christ, look at the sound bug, its not fit for purpose, i dont see their business model, is it "buy it now and we will fix it later, but dont complain if you dont hear anything from us while we are fixing it?" from your point bliss id love to hear, you have spent lots of time trying to fix it, build a mission that works, well done for that, but its still a million miles off of a saleable product.

Who is "they"? Who are you blaming?

they!, who do YOU think? not the fbi, or the cia, not microprose, and not activision, im not gonna spell it out for you.

You should know that the game is developed by one company but issued by another if you read forums.

What do you expect? Would you rather have these guys make a game like a first person shooter that's only content is the different amounts of weapons you can fit yourself with and then sell it to the masses for large profit? I can't even begin to imagine the sheer amount of research involved for a WWII sim let alone the complexities they are trying to do with this one. And those complexities are 10x that of some Call of Duty 15 or w/e # it's on now. There's more to compute in a spitfire cockpit than the entire character in a Call of Duty game. Those MASSIVE companies that release a simple FPS still release games with bugs and they have unlimited resources and work force. A flight sim, especially this one, is soo much more complex, yet is sold to a very very small community of people. In other words, the profits are nowhere near (if anything) to where a console crap game or a PC FPS is.

And for having deep lying issues (as you call it) this sim can have 1000x more planes and objects in a mission than ROF could ever imagine. I'd say the foundation for a solid immersive flight sim engine is there. I'd much rather have a sound bug currently, or a prop pitch lever that's backwards, or an FM problem than have the entire foundation of the flight sim with an extremely limited game engine which can't be changed.

Ok, they should have had a patch or a fix available ready for the us release, which they am I talking about? You decide

You mean like non collidable trees bliss, dont start preaching to me about flight sims bliss, you talk about 10 years of support, how many of those years did you see bliss

Oleg has gone, dont count on anything.

What do you want? If you don't think it will get fixed, I'll gladly buy your copy and you can be done with it and stop complaining.

Enjoying the banter guys but dont you have TS? :)

I want luthier to spend 30 seconds to let me know (by me a mean the hundreds others as well) of any progress in fixing the game, so I can get some enjoyment out of something I waited years for and spent money on, surely that ain't a lot to ask is it? I'm not asking for daily texts to my mobile, just some sort of information from the devs on the devs forum

Ah. So I take it you missed what was posted today?

It is all as I predicted right in the beginning, and got banned for it few times. I told everyone, nobody ever will be able to repair it, IF they will not rewrite it from the scratch! The sounds is, as Luthier is saying, such case...

So I see their real plan - just to sell it in US to the rest of their customer base, which trusted them to provide the patch for the most obvious bugs in this "game". Trust was again broken. Not for the first time, but believe me, nobody cares, because payment transaction is done, and you'll never see your money back. And you have to be patient, as a member of IL2 community, and don't ask unpleasant question. And beware to demand anything!!
They will give you IL2 sturmovik after couple of months, with some bugs corrections, but the engine will be same, there will be still missing any reasonable content. They are following same model as with old IL2... selling addons or "patches"...
Get it or leave. This is their message. I left. I am here just to observe and learn how such marketing strategy is complete failure.

Lol nice to see that me and JG52Uther are not the only squad members having it out on the banana forums :D

Bliss you have touched upon a lot of the things I have mentioned (okay okay i know his post is more mature and articulate than mine) but unfortunately the things that are obvious to us (especially the fps comparison) just falls on deaf ears.

Nice try though :)

@Bliss - I want this sim to succeed...I mean I wouldnt be so frustrated (because of bad performance on my modern rig) that I dont care. I would just trash it. But everything I tried (with all my HW and SW knowledge and years of experience with tweaking wins and games) didnt help. Im still having a bad performance. Its a bit better with textures set to med but then the game is much uglier. And still Im loosing sound online; trees are not there in fact. FM is great (DM better than in ROF) but I dont like how the game looks (except cockpits which are great looking). It looks like a vivid cartoon. And there are occasional stutters too. Builidings and trees are causing problems fps wise. So more or less its unplayable for me in current state. Thats where my frustration comes from.
I really hope one day this sim will be optimised and with improved sounds and landscape, with working trees (not the ghost trees we have now). I cant call this a serious top sim with ghost trees and bad/not working sounds. I know the sim market is small, and small teams are working on top sims. But this is not a finished product, in fact it wasnt even a beta when it was released (IMHO). Thats not a way your getting new/old customers BACK. Thats a worst "marketing".
Hope things will look better in the future.

Agree.

Amen, brother! This is not a pleasant prophecy, but unfortunately a VERY reasonable one.

In your mind it is, to most other people it means that MG will continue on the game regardless of the current state and that they even hire new employees like the one working on the new sound right now.

Is this, The suckuper thread :)

Tvrdi,

I hear exactly what you are saying and agree 100% about things needing fixed and optimized. But I can also tell you that you can play the sim 100% stutter free if you find the right eye candy to shut off.

Before I go on, my system specs i7 990x @ 4.5 | 2 x 580 GTX 3gb | 12 gigs DDR3 @ 1600 | XFI | 30" monitor @ 2560 x 1600

I can play the game maxed out, but will have stuttering and FPS that goes anywhere from 20-60 (could drop into the single digits with smoke effects) while flying online. To alleviate this I tried 1920x1200. Help, but still had occasional micro stutters. I finally had to go down to 1650x1050 and set land textures to medium to eliminate the micro stutter (not spawn stutter) and to stay above 50FPS (unless smoke) all the time.

I even bought as SSD thinking it might help with loading the massive amounts of textures. So I put steam/IL2COD on the SSD (a vertex III 6gbps) and reinstall the game. When I fired it up I had texture corruption. Then when I played online, I lost sound within 5 minutes. So this time I completely deleted everything from steam and the documents folder (1cSoft) and made sure to completely uninstall everything. So on reinstall #2 on the SSD, I had the same exact problem.

Long story short, the only way I fixed my game (no sound bug) was going back and installing both the documents folder and steam on the same hard drive win7 was on. I went back and deleted every single registry entry for IL2COD and, now on my 3rd install, am finally back to where I started.

This type of stuff makes me wonder how many people are experiencing these same types of problems just by a simple reinstall of the game? Not only did changing it over to a different drive ruin both my sound and textures, it also forced me to spend an hour in the registry just to be sure I was actually at the same point I was before I even installed the game.

Another thing is if you want it to play good, you have to be willing to sacrifice eye candy and resolution. I have, essentially, the best all around CPU currently made and 2 of the highest performing GFX cards on the market and I had to notch down 2x my native resolution and turn textures down to be fluent.

I can also tell you, from when I was deployed in the middle east, that I could play the game very smoothly on a laptop with going hardcore on lowering quality settings. Should I have to? Probably not, but that's the way it is. So you can get rid of your microstutters. IMO, you can even get rid of the sound bug like I did, but it'll take quality hit to do it. And depending on if you've ever reinstalled the game somewhere else, you might even have to get into the registry as well. Because, here I am with a $500 SSD that I can't even put the one game on I wanted to regardless of what I do.

But I do not have stutters, and even at 1650x1050 my game looks and plays fantastic both online and off.

Funniest thread ever!

I run really good the "unfixable sim" stated by Optiz, the genious in computer sim design...

I like a lot Luthier Way: sarcasm with fools!

Some even now don't understand how amazing is this engine... why lose time talking to this kind of stupid person?

+1 to Luthier. Some in this forum don't deserve regular updates.

Dude i take my hat of to yer...If i had that rig and had to go through what you've gone through to then only play it on what i class as Med settings id be going...well i wouldn't be a happy chappy

Bliss, first you shouldn't have to go all through that to get COD to run well, its badly optimized and coded.
with your hardware you shouldnt have to jump through hoops, textures set to medium with 2x 580 3gb?? !!!
that my friend takes the *beep*

So your playing online with a game that looks like this in 2011 with your kit? and your happy with this...

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/8...7201124045.jpg
By furbs9999 at 2011-07-20

when the landscape from a good IL2 map looks like this...

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2576/landscape2.png
By furbs9999 at 2011-01-24

And where are such experienced employees? If they are why they were not hired first time? Nobody in the "project management", Luthier or whoever, noticed anything going in wrong direction in the last 6-7 years? Come on!

How many people with deep knowledge of AI in flight sims are on the russian job market now? One? Two? None?
It is not so easy to hire someone and just wait for miracles. Believe me. Or not... Anyway, I am not trusting Luthier anymore. He is just writing same BS all the time... For example he wrote he reads the threads here everyday. Really? So why he is ignoring some straightforward and easy questions? Instead of answering questions from tomorrow, last week, last month, he is reading WHAT? That someone make some nice screenshot in Photoshop?

Man, some people needs to be manipulated, but that's not my case. You can count now on your fingers how many people here are unconditionally happy with the status of this game, and more with the way Luthier is dealing with them -his real and only customers-. This is just an insult in any culture to the West from Russia borders...

OK, one here... Next one? I still have nine fingers left...

The only thing medium is ground textures. Everything else is maxed and on. And I'm not staring at the ground too often at 5000m :)

But generally, if someone is getting good performance and someone else is not with 2 very comparable systems, the reason doesn't always have to be software. It's little stuff like reg edits. True clean installs etc, that can and will make all the difference in the world.

Edit: @ furbs, high to med ground textures are hardly noticable! Mine looks like all the fancy screen shot stills, except it looks like that 100% of the time live flying :) Like I said, I wanted 60FPS all the time and no stutters. 1650x1050 with 8x AA still looks amazing.

+1 furbs!
exactly my thought!
especially the good ol slowakia map kicks the young sick and ugly looking brother in the bu** big time.
thats ridiculous...
if you guys dont see that, than you are either blind or just plain dumb.
and if you are all happy with that, why on earth should they deliver something better.
thats not how progress is made.

Il try it Bliss ok, though you do know FSAA x8 is the same as x2 right?

furbs

I did it all through the nvidia control panel. I made my global settings mask what I wanted in IL2COD - 32xAA and it does work, especially in the cockpit.

Edit - the 8x AA in game doesn't do anything for me, but I have it turned on lol..

New people are always welcome.

It has been explained before, but it seems you did not understood. 1C tam can`t be blamed for your lack of comprehension. The game is currently in good state, yet it takes some more work. The progress has been there since the release.

You don`t care about this game at all. Yet you somehow continue to roam these forums and complain. I suggest you leave rightaway.
The devs are supporting CloD and will continue to do so.

I`m sorry if you`re not satisfied with the progress. Majority of users reported progress both in compatibility and playability of this game. This progress can be described as three steps forth, one step back. But you ofcourse only see the bad side.

Bad buisness...Well it`s not the best, but since this is the only such flightsim on the market it would be clever to support it until it goes full steam ahead. If you don`t like it, you`re free to leave.

Censorship is the same word the boohoo-I have no life- please -fix -this -game -or -I`ll kill myself whiners can come up with. Your constructive abilities end right there.

Have a nice day.

Ignoring carguy's waffle...

Bliss im not sure it does mate, ive set my in the CP and not noticed anything...could you post a before and after screenie please?

Folks, bear with me on this post.

Some people may have tried this game called Test Drive Unlimited 2, developed by Eden Games, published by Atari. It's for all systems. I bought it on the Xbox 360.
Briefly, it is a sequel to a free roaming racing game of the same name released a while ago. The first game was pretty solid with no real issues.

This sequel was probably more buggy than Clod was when released. Keep in mind this game was partly developed for static hardware. (Consoles.)

After 10 hours of playing this game, my saved game was completely wiped out. Gone. Apparently it was a known problem, but it still happened to me and thousands of others.
There was so much slowdown that if I wasn't leading the race, it was almost unplayable. I'm talking maybe 10-15 fps, tops. There was slowdown even when I was driving around on my own.
The GPS in the game was so buggy that it forgot to track my mileage, and if I went off course I was put back MILES from where I went off, and the car handling?
Well, the Golf Gti and The Audi R8 were undriveable. It's like they had trolley wheels at the back.
Not only that, but they hacked out a lot of the cars and all the bikes that were in the original game.
There were other issues that I won't go into, but my point is that this was a pretty simple arcade racing game developed for static hardware, and it was absolutely ripe with bugs.
The complexities of developing a complicated flight sim for PC versus relatively simple arcade racers developed for static hardware don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath really.

Anyone played Medieval Total War for PC? The game could not even be completed without a huge patch that followed later. Slowdown on even the fastest systems (I was getting 5 fps in some parts at the time) and a myriad of other really significant bugs which made the game a real chore to play at first. (It did blossom later, after a few patches.)

People act like bugs or early releases are something new. Well, they're not. And thanks to the era of digital downloads, you can expect more and more games being released early and full of bugs, patches to follow.
It's just the way it is these days.

Only the biggest development houses with hundreds of employees can really release a polished (not bug free, mind you) game these days, and even then their job is made inifintely easier because the largest gaming audiences are on consoles, which haven't changed since 2005.
Last time I checked, there was no flight sim on the consoles, nor will there ever be.

I'm not saying paying customers should just put up with whatever comes their way, but a little understanding of the enormous challenges these guys who develop simulators face need to be understood.

Sorry for the ramble.

They have been working on fixing the game and the US release of it. It might be that the release itself might have taken some more time though. I guess that`s Ubisoft pressure.

You can count on me.

My thanks to the other listed guys!

It`s nice. Really. You can go play somewhere else. It`s obvious you`re seriously lacking in having something to do. Still, your behavior here must be met with adequate response rightaway.

That would be good Bliss..i didnt think it made a difference?

Have you played Rise of Flight? Probably not, otherwise you would know that the sound in that game is really good. The same guy now works for MG as well. I'm confident that the sound will be great.

Here's some of his work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyFuZuleVc4

Is it just me or is luthier basically ignoring "the rest of the world" in his post? Way to beat the old "slap in the face" horse again... :(

THIS POST HAS BEEN REPORTED!

is carguy_ running for the community manager seat here?

Agreed..i don't think anyone's disputing that Sven :)

furbs,

Trust me it does. But I went all hog wild with it at turned up every global setting to highest quality and highest AA/AF. If I looked on the wings (zoomed in) from the cockpit, I could see very tiny jaggies before. Mind you this was completely zoomed in. Now if I do the same, the wing line is perfectly straight. Same goes for virtually all other surfaces I can see from the pit. Do I know how much AA/AF actually is doing anything? No. But w/e I did in the control panel made it work. Now if only I could get SLI to work!

I'll try to make some before and after screenies though.

Edit: all you bastages post really fast :)

Yes, it is. I don`t know what you think, but I figure that since it`s the rule that with big releases such as Crysis or NFS, one has to wait a few months to get a patch that presents really small fixes. The second patch for SHIFT2 Unleashed is remains to be seen for example. Now 1C team making CloD is maybe ten, twenty times smaller than that. You get me?

From the update threads it is obvious that all listed bugs have been taken into account by 1C. Jugding from that, it is also obvious they visit these forums from time to time.

It`s an undeniable fact that this game has few massive issues like you say. But since the team is small, I`d give them a little more time. It`s a small team, by EA standards you can say VERY small. And please remember that anything releasing outside Russia is Ubisoft buisness model.

You have been given Luthier`s answers multiple times before.
You have waited and spent money like all the rest but you can surely see that not all of us react in the same way, right? Patience , mate.

Yup, only ROF team can make modern flight sim now. I play ROF, maybe longer than you... But who cares? You waited for 7 years to have same ugly sound like in first IL2 from 2001? If they would not screwed it up with some accidental change hidden in "patch", they would never ever hire this guy to help them from the deep hole they are in.

But... wait a minute? Why there were any problems with sounds, ha? After all these mods (not possible by IL2 engine as Mighty Oleg said)? Why there were just old ugly, ear-tearing sounds? What about U-boat creeping under hight Gs? WTF? Everything forgiven and forgotten?

You know, some people here still have some memory and they have full right to express their sickness with such "product"... Just accept it. It was not the customers who raised the expectation to the moon. But why to discuss what was discussed so many time over and over, then deleted, people got banned?

The latest insult is to release it without patch to the "new" customers which are waiting four more months for it and they will still get just broken and ugly game.

OK, I am reporting myself to mods now...

You can say that trust was broken once the support of this some is discontinued. As of today, the support is here, the bugs are being worked on.. What you`re stating is obviously a lie since your posts contradict the obvious. You have demanded many things and have been listened to. Now you have to give them some time to fix it. Rest assured it will be fixed.

Wrong. The patches/updates have always been free for download. And as this is a very complicated simulation game, there are many things to be featured in such a game. The content "holes" are unavoidable.

If you`d be so kind, since you left. Also please refrain from posting worthless moaning like above. It is good for your mental health. Thanks in advance.

Lol, I love these forums :)

@Bliss - ofcourse I tried with reinstalling the CLOD and Steam completely but nothing changed...deleted both versions from my HDD and installation target wasnt /program files.
But I will try to tweak some other stuff, so we will see.
My rig is: i7920@OC 3.5Ghz (HT OFF), GTX 470 Twin frozr2 (OC 800mhz on core, which will be a bit better than stock 480), 6GB of RAM working on app. 1333Mhz, WD C.Black,32MBc., X-FI ex. gamer, Dell 2209wa (IPS, 1680x1050, low input lag), Win 7 Ultimate 64. For defrag Im using Mydefrag and for tweaking wins - Yamicsoft Win7 manager.

It is good that you finally listed what you don`t like. That`s about the most constructive post in a while made by you. And guess what - besides the sound bug and bad performance on the most modern PCs, a lot of people play this game flawlessly. I suggest you take this into account. I`m sorry that your PC has problems running CloD, but you`re not the only customer in this world.

Yes, you and lots of other folks have been posting the very same message in months. Since you understand that the team making this sim is not EA/Rockstar/Valve, please wait for the fixes as they will surely come.

carguy_ if they hire ROF terrain guy, ROF physics guy, ROF user interface guy, and, omg, the offline campaign ROF guy, it will be MAYBE good yet...

Yeah! Them Russian pinko red commies dare to make a video game! PFFFFFT!

Furbs,

The only difference between these 2 pics is one has all default global nvidia configs, the other has AA/AF both overridden and at max, along with all other NCP settings turned on max for quality.

Edit: fixed

No AA
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1055/noaa.png

With AA

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1659/withaa.jpg

Il have a look Bliss cheers.

fixed it!

heres 4 pics i just took Bliss...

one is set to FSAA in game to off and gobal settings to min...

one is set to FSAA in game to off and gobal setting to max...

one is set to FSAA in game to x8 and gobal settings to "application controled"

one is set to FSAA in game to x8 and gobal setting to max

i cant tell any difference between any of them...

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/8...7201259499.jpg
By furbs9999 at 2011-07-20

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/337...7201259127.jpg
By furbs9999 at 2011-07-20

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By furbs9999 at 2011-07-20

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By furbs9999 at 2011-07-20

New people are always welcome! *profanities*
To what? "Please be cheated!"

Is it impossible for you fanboy-lot to understand that most of pissed off people are so pissed because they paid more than just 50 € to play this game? They built monster-rigs and still can´t get game to work in the way that it is even remotely satisfying.

Oh yeah, I forgot that there are thousands of people that fly over london, fighting intense dogfights, all maxed out with 200+ FPS! I forgot that it´s your ûbermagic-rig that sets the standards for who is allowed to complain and who isn´t.

As you can clearly see there are manymanymany people who are very displeased about the games performace. What makes you think that they are all trolls who don´t own the game or don´t care about it? Is it because the game works for you?

I think it´s close to criminal to sell this broken game twice. To "welcome" new people to this "stfu, your rig just sucks!" / "it will be fixed!" mess. Even though this game works for some, there still are too many people suffering from poor performance.

I think this constant stream of "whinig" should really be here and stand as a warning. You shouldn´t be able to sell the crap and get away with it

Let alone do it twice!

Is this really so hard for you to understand Carguy?

i don't know Nvidia but i have ATI and there is very small difference with AA OFF or 2x, AA is working with 2x at very close range, when you zoom farther, terrible jaggies again. There is no difference on 2x and 8x, even no difference at FPS, with 2x same FPS than 8x

That is simply not true. If this game came out as is, with support discountinued, then you would be right. The support however stands and continues.

Do you even realise that pinning a fanboy label on me only shows that you can`t put up with my posts? It`s the easiest way, but rarely effective.

I have explained, along with other patient people that it`s not much money. A date costs roughly as much. The cost of whatever PC you built to run this game doesn`t concern any of us at all. You didn`t check how the game runs, you didn`t gather any information. You built a 2000€ rig and are pissed. You`re pissed at yourself and you need to find someone, anyone, that you think is responsible to make you feel better. Not the way to go. Keep your anger to yourself.

Oh, so you DO understand some of the stuff that`s being posted by those who acutally try to HELP others. No 200fps here but given the modest rig that I have setting a few switches lower helped. All still with visual quality unsurpassed by anything else on the market. I also bought this game for multiplayer and I can`t fly online, but I know all this will come. In the meantime I play other games, and mostly LIVE to do other , more important things in life. For example today in the morning I traveled 50 miles to hospital to take my cousin who had a surgery knee operation, went back , set him up in his house and here I am writing at the forums. He won`t be able to play basketball no more.
You seem to have only the PC in your life. That is not good, you should change it. Maybe do something for other people for a change.

Many? I see less than 10 people spamming these boards with mindless bickering/ They do NOTHING constructive. Actually I don`t think most of them are trolls. Maybe Tree_UK who`s clearly bent on killing this game before it gets fixed. Others? "No-lifers" who act like 12 year old brats mad over their NES not working.

Excellent. You have come to use the word criminal to describe the bahaviour. Really? Then maybe you should go to whatever customer right department you have in your country and report it. I`m sure they will listen.
.....or maybe they will laugh their a$$e$ off.

You can do this in a polite way. Really you can. You don`t have to post false information, you don`t have to swear, you don`t have to attack those who are satisfied with this game. And nobody will ban you for it.
Is that so hard to understand?

Luthier thank you for all your hard work. We know your team will is working hard to make this a successful venture.

a lot of ppl play this game flawlessly?? Thats not true. Its other way around. We can make a poll about it. Sure you can type whataver claim you want. What suits you.

That doesnt mean they can release a sim in an alpha stage and charge me for 50 bucks! I mean they can and they did but thats a bad marketing. For FUTURE PROJECTS.
I will wait....what else I can do?

PS: When will your "Im a diehard fanboy furiously defending this sim" crusade end?

Is this true? One of the worst things about CloD is the terrible daytime landscapes that just don't look anything like the real South of England (and I live there and I fly over it in gliders so I know what it should look like in daytime). The colours in CloD are just wrong. Yet there is no indication that the devs even recognise there is a problem to solve.

Maybe I've missed a post somewhere? If not, it looks like they are proposing to dump their fanatasy cartoon version of England on us and just walk away.

And how is your claim better supported than mine? Go ahead and make another poll for the whiners to jump in. If this will satisfy you:rolleyes:

Every possible user source before the release told us that the game is in alpha stage. Special thanks to the Russian version western users who told us. I suggest you check something before you buy. Fewer shattered nerves this way. But if you don`t bother to do this for a 50$ game, than why are you complaining now?

Thank you for giving me something to answer to. I wouldn`t call the landscape exactly terrible. I voted in the poll that it needs improvements because I trust in what Englishmen are saying. I`m sure the problem is recognized, mostly because in last patch we got the change of colors in readme listed. If it`s still too bad for you then I`d wait. There are other problems which need to be fixed first.
But surely, this doesn`t stop or even diminish my fun with this game to be honest.

Seriosly, Tvrdi man, I`ve seen you fly a number of times. You`re a great virtual pilot. Posting this only makes you look bad. My interest in posting is not about you or other moaners. It`s about correcting all the false information you post daily. That is why I said you should ignore me, because I don`t give two ##### about what you post about me. Your posts must be visible for me so I can correct you for others (only viewing forum members and potential sim buyers) to see.

But to answer the question : I will quit once I see this game really isn`t going anywhere and won`t become a masterpiece like IL2. That day I will stop posting and forget this forum. An attitude many of you lack.

oh then, your so noble...working for a great cause...thank you!

Hilarious

Funboys improve sales and encourage the devs.

Whiners reduce sales and discourage the devs.

Quite simple.

Customers make their choice with their money....

That`s the smartest, most clever thing you`ve written here since a while.

You do know the responsibility that comes with the value of choice, do you?

We are reaching new philosophical frontiers here... but let's get back down to the Earth... What about to start doing what customers want?

The question is who is who? Im a fanboy but not hypnotised die hard fan. I can (with my experience) report and discover some things which can help devs. (and I did). But I have a right to say whats wrong. Maybe some hypnotised die hard fanboy will only "defend" this sim on forums. So who contributed more?

True. BUT. This sim was advertised as finished product with all the pics and videos misleading whats inside the box. One would assume they get rid of main bugs through beta testing and core testing. No, Im not talking about usual stuff (bugs) which could be fixed via patches in few weeks, but MAIN PROBS (sound, ghost trees, performance ON MODERN RIGS, epilepsy filters, working GUI on release etc etc) for which they will NEED MONTHS (as Luthier stated) to fix. Luthier personaly told us we will get NEW external engine sounds (for example) and we got old IL2 farting sounds which even not working online after some time. Also no mention of anti epilepsy crap and so on...some things which was included in promo previews never reached released version of the game...we can go forever...
tbh It would be fair from them to accept returns for guys who want they money back. Why not if sims sells well and if everything is OK? Tell me, why not?!
I wanted to sell my copy and nobody asked.....that tells you alot...and now it goes for 10-15 bucks....and it was 50 bucks at release. Thats a spit in to the eyes of the most faithful customers...and you call us whiners...game is working fine for you? Great! Now, come to our side of the fence....

Your a fanboy... No tvrdi your not..

"the landscape is a vivid nuclear green and is crap"

That's not a fanboy statement just a whinge.

lol

whinge,Statement or fact?

How do you conclude that to be a whinge?

Oh, please! Of course there are more important things in life and much worse things can happend than ending up buying a bad videogame (and sorry ´bout your cousin). That is self-explanatory.

BUT, when I want to discuss or do something about, for example, the third world poverty & hunger, I do it elsewhere. If I want to discuss the lack of human rights somewhere, I go to Amnesty-forums. If I on the other hand want to discuss about the bad product I bought and possibly warn others not to make same mistake, I come here. SINCE I BOUGHT THIS GAME AND EXPECTED IT TO BE EVEN REASONABLY GOOD OR REASONALBLY QUICKLY PATCHABLE!

This forums is for this game, it´s pros and cons. So far the cons seem to outnumber the pros for many, and for many (like me) , patches seem to do little good. AND what is most important, the marketing "strategy" of 1C is laughable and should not be tolerated.

But true, esp with no trees.

You are beginning to understand. My time here is rewarded more than I wanted to then.

Be sure to check out the Ubisoft CloD forums then. That`s the place to talk about it unless you are in Russia.
Here`s the link :
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/frm/f/8071032709 .

This forum comes with the offtopic section

aaaaaaaand guess what?

Carguy_ is banned there!:eek:

The problem is that you tend to impose, even force your own views. Sadly this comes with posting false information about the game. That is wrong and should be corrected for the buyers`s sake.

haha Furbs is here:

http://www.lowbudgetprosper.com/wp-c...06/popcorn.jpg

Anyone?

thats a fact mate....call me as you like...fact is still a fact

PS: Read my edited post on previous page

we will see what will be in a year from now on....how this will be playable and how many players will be online...

The only fact I see is that your in desperate need of an opticians

fact is truth and truth must be banned or at least controlled - it is too dangerous...

then I need to change my profession...and our english friends are liars...LOL

Carguy..your banned there? No! :cool:

Anyway...

I wouldnt say not getting an update is posting false information about a game which would hinder sales...I would of thought alot of the US buyers have been following these forums for quite some time, i would also think that they have there own thoughts in regards to communication given this isnt just a game that needs a patch..i think we can safely say that and that Us..me n You have been tolerant and will continue to do so..

I would put quite a large some of money down on the lack of promises kept which one of them were only made clear today (community officer) after it was announced how long ago and the lack of communication has had an affect on sales..

I just assumed that this forum and other forums releated to this game would of had a lil read me with progress that the last time we heard anything was 2 weeks ago and that was 'thin' to say the least

Please refer to my last paragraph in post #91.

That`s exactly what I mean. Regardless what we post, if this sim continues to be in current shape or close to it in a year, there won`t be any of us here posting.

Oh but yes! Courtesy of Freycinet.

Yes, that is the point I`m making. You see I`m not trying to impose my vision of this game as it is. It is clear now that I`m exceptionally satisfied with the game, given the general user response. Yet I do not post daily that the landscape is lovely, the game runs with no stutters whatsoever or that the mp sound bug is non existant. On thiso forum the view must be faced by opposite view so the potential buyer (checking what he wants to buy unlike many ppl here) can make his own mind up about whether he wants to risk it or not. Because yes, in order to enjoy this game n its current state you have to work with your PC a little (my game configuration time alone is almost 4 hours) and see the good sides of it.
Always when one`s seeking information on a subject, he has to view the two sides of the coin to see the real picture. This is what I`m standing by.

Agreed..though personally for me its news updates, and that to me sells games, especially this one in the current form its in...no of course they dont have too i just thought you would want too... and as you say especially because you hear about the bad stuff but no so much the good stuff...

Then you could go back and say, if those updates were there you woudnt have such a negativity about the place (yes 'some' would still be here) and people becoming worried/angry etc etc which then leads to the likes of you and I defending the game in whatever way we see fit which then turns this forum into a troll/slag fest whiners,moaners whatever label people want to use instead of the forums of old (some) where it was a friendly community which was in place to help each other