Even I am going negative now.
 

So yesterday, two of my BlitzPig mates, Raven and HamishUK, and friend 1.JaVa Sharpe, decide to give the latest patch a try online for the first time.

Before we can even enter the "client" screen Sharpe has a loading error and CTD. He has been unable to fly CloD for a long time and can find no fix for his problems. We were hoping that the latest patch level would help him out, no joy there.

So, the three Pigs join the Syndicate full real sever without Sharpe. We work out our loadouts and spawn at Manston. As we are warming up Bf110s attack the field. This is about 20 to thirty seconds after we spawn. At this point all sound completely stops for all three of us. (We are the only players on the server). Hamish quits as there is no point flying without sound. Raven and I take off, make one circuit of the field and land. We then quit as there is no reason to keep going.

Except for offline sight seeing there really is no use even trying to fly CloD anymore, especially online.

It's a real pity too, as there is so much good lurking just under the surface, but if we cannot use the sim for what we like, what good is it?

Really, what good is being able to select your serial number, skin, and loadout if you cannot fly the sim with sound? Even the awful stock original sounds are better than none at all.

You guys know I'm a long time (since 2001) fan of the IL2 franchise. I dearly want to continue to be so. But right now how can I be?

Maybe by Christmas it will be working.

Please Luthier, will it be?

If i was Luthier i would have my whole team working on 3 things until they are fixed...and it would keep alot of people happish for the time being until the other stuff gets done..

1. CO-Ops.
2. sound.
3. servers stopping kicking people.

I hear you brother, exact same mixed feelings and frustration. I really want to like the game but it's making it's utmost for me not liking it.:(

You see that would be the sensible approach, unfortunately for us the Dev's dont do sensible.

I really like the sim so far but there is a lot lacking! I tried online for my first time and it was horrible, hardly anyone on, sound bug etc etc. I dearly miss HL and coops but even if we had it without the sound working it's a no goer. I'm just keping my hand in offline in the hope that soon (TM?) it will be more playable online.

the bottom line is....Im too an old il2 fan...from the demo release of original IL2...the thing is, with all my HW and SW knowledge, with my more than a decent rig I can play this sim more or less smoothly only with textures on med. And still have stutters and no sound after few mins online. What can I do? Move along and wait for a better times...

This sim is simply not finished - embrace that fact. That is not a complaint or criticism, it's just a simple fact. Therefore, assume it is a leaked beta, and play it as such. The actual release date is approximately one year from now.

Keep the above in mind, no need to constantly check in on the forums, no need to debate patches, no need to debate fm's etc - you'll be a lot happier. CLOD has not been released yet! But in the meantime, we play around with the leaked beta. :)

Yes it's a bit hit and miss for me too.

I don't want to play online because of the sound bug. The sounds work in QMB & campaign but loadout is broken.

The only way I can get both is to stay in the FMB, which is okay because I get to learn how it works, but I'd rather be playing online (or in the campaign, but not as much).

This is just one of the reasons, ive shelved cod, Unistalled completly.
There is just no point at the presant to keep flying.
Luckerly i have Dcs A10-c to keep me going.....
So for now, i will keep checking back here from time time to see how things are coming along
But, I dont thinK i will be reinstalling cod, untill, at least xmas time

yes but I had a great expectations (now like a broken dream) and spent 50 bucks on CLOD and Im not living in the rich country....that bothers me a bit also....

You can just change your perception!
It's not money spent, it's a investment in future fun!

:D :D: :D

A leaked beta i was conned into buying for £35 you mean?
Furthermore I will not embrace the lies the general public were told about the state the game was in on release, and still the lies are there on every box cover and every site selling this game to this day :evil:
Its a disgrace plain and simple, you wanna go ahead and sacrifice your rights as a consumer go right ahead, but dont encourage other to accept the shafting we get for games companies these days. I too have gamed with IL2 from the start, this would never have happened 5 years ago, the fact that it has now shows just how little prep is put into these things because they can fix them later because we have the internet, a trend that abuses your rights as a consumer plain and simple.

+1, the one thing to come out of all this is that despite all the hero worship Oleg was getting in this forum from his fansboys he had no difficulty at all in shafting them all, 'i remember during development when all the fanboys would repeatedly tell me that Oleg would never let us down, well you were wrong boys, hes trousered the cash and given you the finger!

I go sight seeing. welcome to my world.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d6..._11_33_782.jpg

Only if it improves and becomes playable ;)

I gave up on it weeks ago...I'm still hoping for a 2011 cure though:grin:

Junked for now.

Same here.

after my dealings with steam support and all the other problems i have decide to shelf it indefinitely :(

S!

My X52's getting dusty! I'll keep testing CoD every patch, but I feel the same as the OP for now.

In the mean time I have a shiney new copy of DCS A-10c ready to install :D

Well I keep dabbling in the quick/single missions, but its a real sim of two halves, I think its testing many a loyal il2 fan but I'll stick with it for now....in small goes.

True, true.



a part of me gets uber angry at the issues this game is having and it is / was preventable.

THe only thing we gots to run on is hope that because the same people (most of them) that made IL-2 great can turn it around.


I mean here we have a Il-2 veteran and an experienced forumite, and he goes and does what all the negative ninja / troll posters have been doing before.


But I do relate to the anger of the beloved successor not working when the talent of the dev team states otherwise and the anger behind of the dev's teams reasoning for dropping the ball.

However in the heart of it is a post on something we already know.

It's like stepping on a land mine when you already see it. 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife.

Already know some people can't play it all. So a person who can't play the game and can't get it work tries to play it again.

Doing the same thing and expecting different results is insanity.


Then everyone and even the guys in caves know sound don't work in MP. So despite knowing a known fact, the people in question hope to do the same thing by playing online on the hope that sound will suddenly work, and expecting different results, insane in the membrane. but unlike the song you guys do have brains.



I'm angry but waaahh, one (Clod) of 10,000 eggs in my basket is broken, the others are fine . . . basket is holding (that make my happiness generator) go up . Yeah, I can't install it on the uber pc at my work (for testing purposes :) ).



Maybe the positive is that the devs or the community liaison person stumble across furbs neat points, and it'll help them with prioritizing, even though they already know whats broken.

Yeah, you turned negative. Now what? Are you going to keep coming back with a "Luthier sucks" thread once in a while like the rest of the idiots?
Or maybe you have a LIFE outside the pc? Huh? You really think this helps ANYONE?
I gotta say - some of you guys are beyond pathethic. So much negativity over this game? Realy worth it? Really sad people.

Waiting a patch or two and then trying to play again, is definitely not doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Which is the feeling I got from reading this post. Unless your definition of doing the same thing is having any faith what-so-ever that this game will be playable online this year... In that case yes maybe we should just wait until Christmas.

I think its HIGHLY understandable to be vocal about your disappointment in a product you PAID for, and that the creator has failed to fix after repeated patches.

I turned the corner too, only I was going the other way. I'm really enjoying it now and yet a month ago I was really losing patience with the demands the engine was making on my machine and was ready to knock it into touch. For some reason, CTDs and that sound thing aside (which I seem to be able to get past by CTRL F2ing through enemy aircraft...go figure), the thing seems to run more or less fine on my rig. The grapchics are stunning, I find with CEM/limited ammo etc I'm just barely able to control my fighter, and I rarely get a kill whilst with Il2-46 (how I wish CloD was called Storm of War, just differentiating it from the previous Il2 seems idiotic) I wouldn't even break a sweat knocking out 4 or 5 planes with the same parameters. According to Steam I've knocked up over 200 hours with the sim open. All for the price of a meal for two at the local curry house. Yes it's got a looooooooooooong way to go but it's no coaster.

Well, your post certainly doesn't help either, so are you gonna stop posting?

I doubt it.

I had not flown online since the new patch came out, and for some time before that. I was hoping that things were improving, because if you read some of the pollyanna posters here all is just peachy.

Clearly that is not the case. But until I tried it yesterday I had no way to know that.

I will continue to try the sim after each new patch, and I will post here with my reactions to each new patch, positive or otherwise.

I don't care who approves of my posts or not.

Well as an extremely satisfied player of the IL2 series from when it first came out I purchased a new rig to play CLoD.

I am disappointed with it, but I flash it up (for about 10 minutes) every couple of weeks to remind myself how clunky it is.

I think the best words to describe my feelings when (trying to) play CLoD is that it is a bloody annoying and frustrating experience.

I have a decent rig (see specs) and have done all the fixes, new ini's, clear cache, check files, lowered everything to medium and it is still clunky with stutters.

Look what happened to Rise Of Flight after one year. An example of an unfinished game that became great.

It is a waiting game at this point for sure.

the sad thing is going online and finding 6-7 guys average playing. that pretty much says it all. after years of vivid expectations from lots of people, 3,5 months after launch, finding so few ppl playing online is a testament of a broken product. raise the arrogance and ranting volume as much as you want, but beyond facts, there's nothing. no one's playing. period. and these are sound facts (no pun intended), not an attitude from some...

as a fact, i keep CoD on HD to check improvements over patches, but i'm not going at it again until most issues are fixed (like sound, AI, weather and clouds - i can't play without clouds - flight models, coherent CM between SP and MP, oh well...)
i believe many do the same; ppl fell defrauded and are pretty well entitled to be! sure there's no lack of reasons...

but some ppl (like you) come to bash and somewhat troll their (also mine) remarks as if we had no rights at all, as if we all had pirated our copies or something... we do expect some light at the end of the tunnel you folks know... ppl who criticize and usually justify their claims and point specific issues expect things to get better... i see no point on being so fundamentalist on these ppl's afterthoughts. after all it's ppl who experienced and tested the product... if you don't like their evaluation, then suck it up. it's called freedom, and it's very sad not to acknowledge that. or not being able to confront their view with reason and substance. not to mention basic education.

i also think this anti-criticism little wave is very naive. CoD is going to be published in the US very soon. their critic is not as benevolent as in Europe towards this kind of product. and certainly less for non-US productions. IL-2 popularity has been helped by a large US simmers community until today. the moment CoD presents itself in their market as it stands today, it will be blown to smithereens (no sound online WTF???). i hope for everyone's interested that it's not.

that's it. don't want to give any lessons; these are my thoughts. good working week for everyone!

LOL i still cant believe i wanted this game SOOOOOOOO badly that i went as far as to give my credit card number to a strange Russian website, not really knowing if in 24hours my account would be empty just to get to play it a little early :P

Copy two was a little less risky as it was from Just Flight but still I wanted an English speaking version so bad. :)

I had every intention of getting a third US copy when it finally came out but ended up tapping out after the Crossfire fix went in. Even with my rig i haven't been able to get very good performance out of it:)

sigh...... getting drunk and then playing it helps:)

lets hope it comes around :)

Cheers :)

ElAurens your tale is unfortunately all too familiar. :(

People are keen enough to give the game a go even amongst all the bugs and unfinished features but there are some critical faults that just can't be ignored. This is made even worse by the complete lack of fun single-player content which could have helped ease the pain during this no MP sound bug fiasco.

Yes the devs are working on it but it would still be nice if they fed us more updates and kept us in the loop so it makes it a little easier to keep the faith up and help reduce the number of complaints. A public bug-tracker also should have been set up from day one IMO (like what Bohemia Interactive has for ArmA).


The only thing this game has going for it at the moment is the FMB, and thats only if you can wrap your head around it no thanks to the lack of real documentation.

Well i WOULD actually play the damn game if it had a single player campaign like 1946 (Yes i KNOW OH noes another 1946 comparison)

But lets face it THIS linear campaign that COD has is ridiculous and i for one are not one of these people that WILL sit in the FMB and build a mission then fly it. I Built the mission AND i KNOW exactly whats going to happen!...Sorry to go off topic :(

Regards
Disgruntled

just curious, does anyone know when the modding/SDK tools will be released? I have no doubts this game will improve with time, but for the short term opening it up to the community to mod could possibly help players work around some problems.

It's the end of the world as we know it

and I feel fine :grin:

Situation is critic. MP is too buggy with many problems, sound and stability as main. Single player : AI is "horribilis", lack of missions or a good and well organized campaign. Ok, minus this two elements. what we have after? Nice planes to make promenades over Britain but with a landscape not exactly liked by everybody.And finally, that can also ev.done with FS9 or FSX.Not easy...

When I looked a pictures of the team I thought to myself, my company has more IT guys than that dealing with our accounting software :(
So what do we have to show for our money, a sound system so porked they had to fire the guy that did it and replace him?
Surely in alpha and beta testing a porked sound system should have been noticed.
Hell if Ubizoo could notice the eplepsiy problem surely they could spot the lack of sound?

I still fly IL2 1946 and mods and RoF, but I only boot up Clod whenever they release a new patch just to see of they have fixed anything important. To see servers with five people on them is asking a lot at the moment.

Sound Bug Fix
 

Hi all,

I was online flying in the Repka 3 server when the sound bug striked. One kind sole suggested that I turn trees off and reboot. Since then I have had no issue with sound bug at all. I have not tried it in the other servers. I know it is not ideal but for me the presence of sound far outways the lack of a few trees.

Missing sound was not a problem initially but was introduced by a patch.

stop now u hypnotised die hard fan, Im sick of you whining like a little boy, about valid complaints and performance reports from ppl who have experience in testing software, hardware and beta testing!

One more reason to give the devs some time to come up with working solutions instead of relaeasing one rushed patch after another to please an (argueable rightfully) impatient community.

The Sim has already seen great improvement since it's release and given IL2s Legacy, i have few doubts we will see further improvements. Despite it's shortcomings CoD already is a couple leagues above IL2 when it comes to pure flying immersion. This means the core, the very essence of this game, is right and I find myself sucked back into flying despite all the Sims shortcomings. The original IL2 is no alternative anymore with a percieved stone age FM.

Personal venting over problems that have been complained about ad infinitum does nothing to help here and just drags down others, too, for no gain whatsoever. (though it should be mentioned that ppl only complain when they are emotionally attached, which in return actually speaks for this Sim)

I could put up with all the problems this game as to offer, but what I don't accept is the blasé attitude of the Dev's, they have not even acknowledged let alone thank Insuber or Furbs for their bug reporting efforts, they appear to not even read these forums and if they are doing so they are missing a very clear message 'COMMUNICATE WITH US'.

We purchased your game that is very badly broken, we are trying to help you fix it but your silence is driving people away in droves, is this what you want Luthier?


Oh and Carguy we are all happy that you love this broken game, but we have far higher standards than you obviously, I can only imagine that you are new to simulations/gaming and you simply didn't know what to expect, but for us online squadron veterans we prefer to fly with sound.

The size of the team dictates that the game won't be what it was supposed to be for quite a while. I don't really think it's realistic to expect the 'full' version anytime soon.

I understand the frustrations many are feeling. I play offline, but there are several issues with the game in offline mode that for me I can't accept until those issues are fixed. So I wait.
I've shelved it for now, but in time I will certainly be back to playing the sim again. Valid criticism is fine, and the OP's criticism is definitely valid, but the game is still not going to be fixed any more quickly.

At least Luthier and co. have stuck around and have been plugging away at updates from day one since release. What's happened has happened and we can play the blame game all day long, but as long as the devs are still supporting this sim, I will support them and the game.
After all, we're so spoilt for choice in this genre, yes?

Let's not bash each other over the heads, guys. We all want the same thing in the end.

Usually I do not share's carguys hostility, but this is one of those posts that makes me understand why he gets riled up.

You prefer to fly with sound? Who would have thought.
If you were an old timer IL2 vet like you claimed you would know that Maddox games cares for their customers and releases patches and free planes, maps and other ugrades years after intial release. Instead on this forum these very same guys get flamed for not talking enough. Seriously, if I were Luther I'd say, XXXX, eventually. I can more then imagine that team has enough stress already. This is a rather small group of devs and they try hard to please a very, very demanding community. If they merely wanted to make money they would have never gone into the Sim business in the first place.

I should mention, after ten years of IL2 I am an avid fanboy and more then willing to give the devs the credit and trust they deserve after those years, especially if you compare their conduct to other game developers.

Oleg is no more...in CLOD dev...and most of the guys from original il2 team, face it...thats the reason we have this circus. Im jusy sorry i fell for their advertising and with Oleg popping out from time to time like he is in the team...for real

There is no justification for not communicating more with the community. At the very least the bug threads should be commented to encourage quality feedback rather than rants.

Guys it will be fixed...

Stop repeatedly whining about the same old bugs and then get annoyed when you don't get a clap on the back.

You guys are not helping anyone but yourselves and you have vented more than enough, yes they should be communicating more but it's not like we don't know anything, luthiers roadmap is still valid.

I know that some of you guys are quite old and from the posts I have seen here I would say that your a perfect example of how age doesn't always bring wisdom in fact I would say it's the opposite for you guys. Yes you have a point but your not exactly wise, patient or helpful your just a bunch of whiners... Just take a breath and act your age...

The stress the 'Team' are under is self inflicted, nothing to do with any of the paying customers. Regarding making money are you seriously suggesting that the IL2 series never made any money? OM games 'used' to support their customers this is correct, whether this will continue now he as departed from all things 'IL2' related remains to be seen. The fact that he has never posted here or anywhere else since the release of CLOD suggests that he has washed his hands entirely of the fans/the project.

Yes but what about the landscape? This is a "tam, tam" ok but actually nobody from MG hase give us some feedback about this disappointing.
Without the feeling to fly over England, we'll never have a good Battle of Britain sim, a classic theater where the immersion is one of the most important element, if not the most important. With this horrible landscape, we'll never have this feeling.

I'm sure they'll fix the sim all around because now is nothing, but there is also the Enlgand to be fixed, and Luthier seems to be more than satisfied with his landscape.

I'm afraid that BoB is gone, and actually the new sim (the real one) is the Eastern Front.

I'm willing to give the devs the credit and trust they deserve too! Not impressed by the release strategy... On a more positive note, though, I had another look at Luthier's roadmap after JG52Krupi continually going on about it. Quite impressed with the progress in hindsight.

Probably true :(

According to your avatar it seems improbable that you know enough about the view of england from the air to challenge the fidelity ín the sim.
The proper lighting/colorswill come with the proper weather.
Also one must accept that computing power is limited, especially with all the features that are still switched off.
The Landscape is not horrible, your choice of wording is.

At least the person you are so pompous to judge by his avatar knows how to spell England.

Long time lurker, not much of a poster but this is getting ridiculous.

Cut the whining. Some of the guys here are just plain out dumb.

"I'm upset because the Dev's are not talking to me" - Well, who the XXXX are you? You should be happy by the fact the devs are ACTUALLY posting here every once in a while. I don't see EA devs posting about progress of the "SIMS" series. Do they?

"The team stress is self inflicted" - Seriously, what do you know? So many douchebags here think they know all about game development and processes that they are certain they deserve more. Chill the XXXX down and go get a beer.

All those people who post "I shelved it"...wow, I'll tell you what, no one gives a XXXX. It all sounds like "O hold me before I burst". Go pull your drama elsewhere.

I bought IL2 CoD just like the rest of you. And yes, it's not finished. So what? The patches keep rolling out and even though there are tons of problems the game is still enjoyable. And it will only get better.

Instead of being supportive you give the dev's zero motivation to keep going.XXXXXXX retards.

And yes, hate me all you want. You guys just bitch about things for the sake of bitching. Just like the post with "The waves are moving too slow" proved right on these forums.

CD, out.

It's not just about the colours! The general geomoetry of the landscape (trees positioning/style etc) is massively at fault as well. It really is irrefutable, and I'm not the only UK resident to advocate this, either.

I hate comparisons but, regarding trees, look at this:

edit-link to first picture: (shot number 8) http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph...ml#Post3336519

http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergal...72-14887-8.jpg

vs

http://s3.postimage.org/n3ldrnj1a/Black_knight.png

http://s2.postimage.org/jz5gz193l/Badly_hit.png

The only people to blame are the management of 1C who pushed the sim out too early, and threw a curve to Oleg by adding Steam at the last minute.

I do not blame the development team one bit for what has happened.

No one else (Tree) should either.

You shouldn't blame anyone for that matter.

No video game in modern day leaves the studio completely finished.

We'll take it even further. No piece of software which is related to the civilian market is EVER released bug free. It's a fact you should all embrace and learn how to live with.

At least the 1C team keeps working and ironing out the bugs. And will continue to do so for the next decade at least. But mark my words, even 10 years from now, some of you are still going to bitch about irrelevant bullshit. 99% of it is self-made reality of how things should be made. Especially regarding flight models. Look at how much shit is posted in that matter yet NOT A SINGLE SOUL HERE has ever flown a Bf109...And that I can guarantee you.


While on that matter, why are you blaming the management? Assume the management announced yet another delay in the release. They would of gotten their asses handed to them on a plate. It's a lose-lose situation and this community is full of double standards. You push endlessly for a release and when you get it you bitch about it. Seriously, go do something else.

Agreed. We're bashing the very people who are actually cooperating with us. I very much doubt that they had a hand in deciding to release the game early.

Yes, higly. And it is also HIGHLY understandable that you have stated your case couple of hundred times before, achieving exactly NOTHING but stirring flame threads. Little boys got a broke toy so now instead of helng fixing it, they throw it in the trash can. Very intelligent attitude .

Oh just stop it. You`re trying to switch the situation but you well know what you did. You put up another moan thread for other moaners to gather round and sing their moaning sings. SOMEBODY needs to keep reminding you that what you are doing is counterproductive and plain stupid.



Another sorry user who bought the game not knowing anything about it, fired it up and got shocked. And it`s all the same for all of you - you didn`t know crap, you spend money on it, you got surprised how the game is a mess and you felt like you need to say it to all the world what you did. Excellent.

I think you guys are not seeing the forest for the trees.

The very core of the IL2 CoD is pretty solid, which namely is the immersion of flight and combat in ww2 planes, and the best of all ww2 sim are offering at this point.

Everything else are details, both good and wrong, from both MG and us.

The main fault I can find to MG at this point is the lack of constant communication. And not because we diserve it, but because it's the part of the trade we're doing with MG: we bought an incomplete game, and both MG and the community knows it. It is our choice to do so, as we know there's nothing else out-there for us, no interest from any other developer regarding ww2 combat flight simulation. These days customer rights are simple laughed at by game developig companies, but while I can have no simpathies and no quarter given to giants like EA, or Ubisoft, or Blizzard, or Bethesda pulling this, it is my choice to give it to MG, as I know they are struggling to pull this up with VERY limited resources and that without them, there's no immediate future for this genre.

MG knows this too, and it should also know that they must offer something in exchange for this support. And that very thing is the communication with the supporting community.

Beside this, there are many things needing addressing in current's game state, but the most important of them are, and in this order:
a) the command system
b) the sound system
c) the AI
d) the MP
e) the FMB SDK and support
f) dynamic weather
g) dynamic campaign generator

There's almost no one (me included) playing IL2 CoD online at this moment. And you know why? Not because the sim is porked, or because of the bad performance, but because most of the people willing to play IL2 CoD online are NOT willing to play mindless dogfights (withstanding the vulching fest of the small maps, or wander aimlessly over the BoB huge map).

Most of us want to play into an online war, plain and simple. You won't see MP numbers going up until this will happen, and this can't happen until all the above points are solved, and in the order I've put it up in there.

I'm playing ww2 sims (not only combat flight sims, but also tank sims, and submarine sims) back from Spectrum times (when they actually were nothing more than simple games), and nothing compares with IL2 CoD, even in the state in which is it right now.

There's no going back for me to IL2 1946, and if this game dies, then I can't see any kind of future for this genre (at least in the following 10 years).

Just have a look at what happened with Silent Hunter or with T34 vs Tiger games (which were the spearheads of the other ww2 sims).

Oh so that gives you an unlimited license to spam this forum with counterconstructive GIVE MY MONEY BACK threads? The world is somewhat more complicated. One of the FACTS is that this is one vieo game. You payed approx $30 for it. It`s not worth the time to moan over it so much. Is there anything else in your life you give your time to besides your work? Or maybe you`re sitting in front of your pc 24h/day? You REALLY think that such moaning will fix anything? Are you REALLY that shattered by a video game? Is your life broken? All other NORMAL people shelved the game and are waiting for it to be fixed - or better - help with listing the bugs and proposing fixes.

Well yeah, I see you REALLY need to tell the rest of the world how cheated you feel. And YOU REALLY can`t stand if there isn`t as much as two moan threads raised over that every week, right?

Yeah. In case you didn`t notice, I also am entitled to point out your idiocy and immaturity. You act like little brats that didn`t get their wish on birthday. You know that 1C hasn`t any arguments and knows its faults , yet you keep bashing them week after week as if it changed anything but to make the dev team feel even more stressfull besides the time they don`t have.

You call your little brat whines criticism? Criticism is something that presents a value - and that is through poining out mistakes and bugs ie. helping the team locating those and fixing them. All you have been doing since April the 1st is screaming WHERE`S MY ICECREAM and presenting your lack of understanding not only criticism itself, but any kind of coperation, market laws, and the single last thing - YOU are not the only ones in the world and YOUR little life ruining bugs actually mean tlittle to nothing for a person that has a life outside of his PC. To all of you I would recommend getting yourselves a life. It helps putting things into perspective.

carguy. I love you. Amen to that post up above.

You sick of me poining out your idiocy? Good. That`s one of the accomplishments I`m going for. So that you finally stop, THINK, and notice that what are you doing is whining over a video game with complete lack of CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. You payed money for this game? Weeeeel. I did too, appeox. 45€. Am I whining? Maybe you think you traded your money for a ticket to this forum and a life tie deal to create idiot moaning threads. Congrats.
NEWSFLASH moan boy! Your neon landscape problem has been pointed out long before you did, yet somehow you manage to repeat the same NEON LANDSCAPE I PAYED FOR THIS GAME BS countless times. I bet you wouldn`t even think of doing it in real life.
The difference between you and me is simple - I keep pointing out simple facts and try to make you submit constructive stuff - you keep bashing the dev team with the same chants time and time again.

+1 carguy, I suggest you cool off for a bit though.

The saddest part those poor dumb sods don`t get is that IF 1C acted the same like 9/10 developpers , gave them two patches at the same time ignoring them COMPLETELY, they would just shut up and suck it up.Go to the EA forums and see how it works. Yet when the team tries to communicate, reports improvements and apologises to the crowd, they treat it as an invitement to further bashing those poeple with posts that present no value whatsoever.

You seem to love talking out of your ass. How do you know it drives people away? You know, you are not the only living soul on this forum.


Take your standards and shove them you know exactly where. You are no better than me, carguy, or anyone else on this forum for that matter.

So the sound is broken, it'll get fixed. Chill the XXXX out and let the devs do their job.


To be honest, I XXXXXXX hope they don't fix this game just to make you whiners jump off a white cliff or something. You guys are pathetic that think you deserve the throne just coz you spent 40 euro.

The game will be fixed. Incrementally, but it seems there will be important improvements soon.

We saw the pictures, there really is a team of programmers on the case. I believe they are talented and will get it done.

Even now, I find it works well enough to enjoy quite a bit. Prognosis for the future is excellent.

The difference between you and me is that I acknowledge this game with all its faults and don`t dwell too much about it. As of today I have about 5 other video game titles which I play, given that I can`t spend more than say 11 hours weekly on gaming. I understand that you require a playable, fixed game once you pay for it. The GOLD status indeed says the game is ok for a release. And you indeed have the right to feel bad about it. But really, we know all the bugs already, we know this forum is slowly dying (game is also dying) and all we have to do is wait. Now how longer do you plan on whining on the same old stuff? Wouldn`t it be better if we didn`t create additional stress for the team? Don`t you think they already got what they deserved?But they`re saying thei`yre going to fix it. And they ARE fixing it. So what more do you want?

The second sentence clearly shows you don`t know anything you`re talking about. I`m the old IL2 guy and I saw the whole IL2 evolution from the start. The very same thing now happens with CloD. It keeps me calm and preserves my confidence in 1C dev team. The first fruit of three patches and new content indeed proves my point. I knew EXACTLY what to expect with CloD as I bought it on April the 5th, days after the first user reviews came by to be read. Which is why I don`t think any of you didn`t posses the same information before buying. And if you did buy it not knowing what you buy, then I rest my case Your Honor.

I have approximately 500 online war sorties under my belt.

:grin::grin::grin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOkgy...e_gdata_player

Its about money we paid and the principle of not being lied to you fool, so dont say we should play other games in the meantime, i paid to play this one.

I thought you had some principle being a vanilla sucker, but maybe the vibrations from the engines on all your online war sorties has scrambled your brains you hero.
LMAO do you think your gonna get a medal from 1C for being such a butt kisser? Do you really think they have more repsect for you as a customer then for Tree because he has complained? You and Tree are both $ signs nothing more.
Its the blahzay attitude of yours and many others that just incourages the gaming industry to take advantage of GOLD stauts and release stuff that isnt clearly ready.
When people pay money for a product standards have to be set. The gaming industry lacks and real standards set by the public consumer consortium.

I and MANY others in here have stated time and time again we will tollerate it with cliffs of dover for 1C's sake and the prosperity of the IL2 series IF there is DIALOG given to us the customer, from the creator, the reason why people are annoyed is because there is no consistancy in any of the dialog provided for us, and if they dont want to have to provide that dialog then they can just lie and say we are creating a community spokesman to give you updates and info on a regular basis ....Oh hang on.....

You seeing the picture yet?

@ LUD lol i was so hoping you had photoshopped a cliffs of dover case in over the rabbit :)

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/5749/no1d.jpg


http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/3183/larch.jpg

Oh. And you`re saying that you`re not intelligent enough to know that principles can be preserved to an extent, depending on circumstances?

Do you beat your friends into a pulp everytime they don`t give back borrowed money? Whatever the price - 30$ or 5000$?

I find it very funny how first videos of Russian release were met with so much flaming on this forum, that even Jason from 777 had to write explicitly that no one from or related to 777 is trying to discredit CoD. Where is that spirit now? :grin:

Yes, exactly, it's about principles. Which mostly can be resumed to "don't get screwed on your own money!". The difference is in the way you perceive the players, and in the choices you are making: big business trying to screw you for money (see Betheda's horse armor Pandora's Box opening DLC), and business offering a borken product because they don't have the resources of the big guys, and are struggling to actually make and offer something in return of their money.

At this point, IL2 CoD is actually a paid beta. But we knew it when we bought it, and we already saw they are continuously fixing and improving it.

I still wait for the day in which a small developer will have the boldness to say the truth: we don't have money to implement this concept you guys love, but we are selling actions to let you help us do it (paid access to closed beta, free will donations).

And I even think MG would have done something like this, haven't UBI been the publishers and dictating the rules!

Eagle Dynamics did it with A-10C. They sold the beta version and after a while it became the full version. This type of business model requires alot of guts and doesn't mean it can work on all game studios.

Carguy, many of these people you are whining about were completely constructive (and polite) in their criticism during the initial release period.
But lack of feedback from the dev team doesn't say much for their approach tomwards improvement. Do they have to monitor the forums? By all means, they don't! But then if you are assuming that they aren't monitoring the forums, the argument that such harsh criticism is driving them away from this community doesn't hold much water, does it? Indeed, Luthier has always adovcated that criticism of the game is better than no criticism. Here's an example. I sent Oleg pages and pages of detailed information on every type of flight-kit the RAF wore, or had access to, in the BoB. Did I get any feedback or notion of thanks? Nope. None whatsoever, apart from an e-mail asking for the same information for the Luftwaffe. Have my efforts been put to good use? Nope, despite further e-mails notifying Oleg of this. I'm not annoyed, I'm happy to be able to say that I could contribute in whatever meagre way possible, but communication in certain aspects of this sim has not always been a strong point, and even when criticism has been as constructive, detailed, and useful as mine it has still not always been taken on board. Yes, I will admit, it is extremely annoying when such critique isn't noted, which is why I find it annoying when people ask members to stop! It's not just a question that they are aware of it, it's a question that they haven't alluded to any form of awareness, and so consequently people are cotinuing to be constructively negative, in the hope that the dev-team will respond in some way, shape or form.
I'm not suggesting that they have to respond, but I find it annoying when people moan at users to stop the pressure. The pressure will only stop when the dev-team choose for it to stop. And I know I am right in saying that the majority of such 'negative-postings' are useful to the team. Many members here are experts in certain areas of the sim, and it seems silly to disregard such knowledge as well.

I will add, though, that the game does not do what it says on the tin, nor what Oleg said it would. Does this matter? As BP said, in principle, it does. Most of us were strong advocaters of the team, and I wouldn't be wrong in saying that I can't help but feel as though such 'affection' has been misplaced. Don't get me wrong, it doesn't bother me personally, but unless the team become more sociable (maybe by installing that forum manager) topics like these will only increase. And yes, I do advocate criticism over devout affection.

My point very well put phillip!
Car guy go to the shops and buy stuff because thats what advertising tells you to do, go be a drone? Because that is what you are telling me to do in effect.
Your telling me i should ignore the standards that have been set by 1C themselves just for Cliffs of Dover?
Your telling me i should accept the lies i have been told and so on and so forth and just spend my money like a good little boy and not make a fuss. Because if Imake a fuss then i am wrong.
Dude you have brainwashed yourself to accept lower standards.
You talk of "do i beat friends over money" What!?
Do you see 1C as your friends and i'm beating on them or something.
1C are not my friends, we have a business releationship, they produce, I buy. But if they say that x, x and x is in the box and I buy it and its not in there then as a consumer I'm not happy and 1C say ok well we'll keep you informed please have patience, I say of course, and i get no or very little information back then again I'm being led a merry dance!

"Oh. And you`re saying that you`re not intelligent enough to know that principles can be preserved to an extent, depending on circumstances?"
So what you really mean is i should only retain my principles if the circumstances permit?
I think you also have that the wrong way around, its the circumstance that change around the principle, a principle stands firm under fire.

If you say your going to communicate in a regular way, then thats what you do

this model only works for totally commited developers and community.


I myself always advocate criticism (factual and polite one, with the chance to improve the game if the developers are smart and actually listen) over blind fanboism (which won't lead nowhere near a better present/future product).


The fault until now with Il2 CoD is UBI pulling the plug and forcing a release without having all game's cover/advertises fulfilled into the game (thereby the real cause of the false advertising, even though we suspected and kind of knew it, from russian version release's feedback, before buying it), and MG for not constantly communicating with us.

He's not telling you to do anything other than take a chill pill and have a bit of patience thats all, so stop being a bunch of drama queens.

hahaha its been a while since i heard that phrase :)

Got to love your pretend anger, its quite touching, anyhow "driving people away in droves" well if you could see past Luthiers butt you will see the mass majority of users in here have already shelved the game.

I clearly am much better than you and carguy, if you dont believe me then start a poll

I agree about letting the Dev's do their job, its just a shame they didn't do it during development.

No offence of course.

In my next post I will use"big girls blouse" or "stop getting your knickers in a knot" ;)

hey cargy is there anything in or text beyond fanboism, arrogance, intolerance, insults, self-proclaimed rightness, truth owning, lack of manners and contempt toward others?... no i don't think so. give yourself a pat in the back and say 'i rule', you've earned it. seriously, your reason(?) is more bugged than CoD was at launch. with one serious difference: yours won't be patched.

The more I read the more I realize that the main reason for anyone's putting down the game continuosly, is having been ignored by Luthier/Oleg in the past; which is understandable, but again it doesn't help the situation.

The negative comments wont stop the ignore, and as they cant be blamed if they never felt they needed, or didnt ask for help, the only way to pay back seems to be to attack the game.

The negative comments on a steady basis could maybe lightly satisfy the personal hidden revenge desires, but they have not effect, appart of flame wars in the forum.

I'm talking about the distinct constant same-pitch sickening chant that is conducted by a few on a daily basis, with peaks on fridays.

Curiously enough, that chant was stopped for a while the day Luthier posted the team faces and their tasks, and it remained almost inaudible till the next friday.

Carguy and Cleardark are these the new community managers? :grin:

But without knowing what went on behind closed doors, nobody can really tell if affections have been misplaced or not, and obviously it's not wise for anyone involved currently with the creation of this sim to speak out due to contractual obligations and the like.

actually, if MG were smart, they would have picked me :)

i for one don't take the devs for sissy girls these few fanboys seem to believe they are... and even if they were, i wouldn't see myself as their mom. i take them as working, resilient capable ppl that can take the criticism on a fair basis without crumbling or go home crying. ppl need to exchange criticism to realize what are the main common complaints and to help focus or prioritize the work.

I agree. And although I would say that it would only take a short paragraph from Luthier to erase all doubts, I think that this is impossible, given that it could be detrimental to their relationship with Ubi. I'll just assume that Ubi pushed them into the release, when really they would have loved to have seen Oleg's 'promises' fulfilled.

Yeah, the principle. All you`re doing is for this principle you actually don`t what is. You caught the word and you think suddenly all the moaning becomes relevant? I say this again - a pricniple by definition is fulfilled to an extent dependng on circumstances. You payed for a 30$ video game. You lost 30$ which means what? Half of a date with a pretty girl? Is it really so much that you need to cintinuously bash the guys that gave you this broken game? You`re being silly.


More of the same pointless bickering.

What? You never heard of anyone supporting an idea regardless if he gets payed?I too have an interest in this game, and you`re ruining it all by sentencing it as garbage, which this game certainly is not. If you whine like you have been whining since friggin APRIL, you may just scare off the people like me, who will make their own opinion once they try this game out. The more casual crowd and newcomers I don`t care about, since none of your little whines have effect here - 1C brought it themselves upon them, so no casual flightsimmer will even try this game, because most of the reviews are negative. And it is clear you know little about 1C customer support. Wince 2001 until 2007 I was a IL2 gamer and I saw what Maddox Games did to keep the new fans coming : tons of free planes and objects, continious bug fixing, community support. NO OTHER game developper I`ve seen doing this. And since I`m a decent person, I won`t let you little brats bury the trust 1C has gained through the years. If you`re so shocked that I`m not doing it for the money then I can see just the type of person you are.

Yeah? Oh, you`re saying that it DID take effect anywhere else? I was there when Crysis2 came out. You whined your asses of but have been completely ignored. You shut yer traps and moved on.

What? Your POV isn`t the only one, but you obviously fail to realise it. The dialog is there, the fixes are there. Maybe the spokesman thing was a lie, or maybe they didn`t have enough funds to bring him up. One thing I know - your type of "customers" are hardly those who are worth talking to. If the only thing you get is hostile attitude, you keep avoiding those people - normal thing.

Ok

That's enough

Bans given for profanities and reposts of profanities and hints at profanities or misdirections etc etc.

Thread locked due to the fact some of you are acting like a bunch of ungrateful kids, this play ground behaviour stops when you enter the 1 C Forums its not welcomed here.

I suggest you read the forum rules please.

This is no place for this behaviour, start growing up and be responsible for your thought processes and postings in future threads.






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