Anti-epilepsy filter?
 

Luthier wrote on Sukhoi.ru forum at 19:38 GMT (sorry Google translated):

This sounds realy incredible. :( Isn't the "Will induce epilepsy" enough? Hard to believe, since for instance cigarettes which we know KILL can be sold without problem.

Not really sure what he is saying.They have done something to the game to prevent epilepsy but it causes issues with the game?

Yes, as far as I understand there's a filter that prevents quick changes in brightness by smoothing the transitions to be more friendly to persons suffering from photosensitive epilepsy.

This filter was requested by Ubisoft, and cannot (must not) be switched off. It breaks SLI compatibility and lowers performance.

Swell...

:(

What boggles the mind (not in this case where Ubi is involved) is why it must not be optional. This just goes along with the well known phrase by A. Einstein:

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

... provided that the feature and above report is true. :)

EDIT: Can we have the link to the thread/post luthier made at Sukhoi.ru forum? Thnx.

What the hell?
We have to suffer from performance issues in order to not get sick of epilepsy?

It's lamentable. There's GOT to be a way for some talented individual to figure out how to disable this thing once we've had the game for a while.

This is like forcing me to ride my bike with training wheels on it because some people have inner ear infections.

That's basically right. I've got it but it's been very much under control for years now. I told my Neurologist how many hours I sit in front of this monitor playing IL-2 every day. He replied "You really are better"

Well, if theres no sli support now they pretty much ruined it for me and 1000s of others. Well, just another MORONSDECISION from ubisoft.

Winger

All 1C have to do, if that is true, is to let someone leak a "fix" thru non-officials sites...That way Yubicrap would not be liable in case of a legal problem...

Salute !

It seems they are trying to resolve the issue within days:

The more I re-read the first post I think this must be a joke of some kind...

Unbelievable, to say the least.

Seems that 1C also included in their version.
Why would that be if it is only Ubi requesting it?

Page 5, about halfway down.

http://translate.google.co.uk/transl...803%26page%3D2

This is VERY serious because a lot of people are relying on SLI to get decent performance for this application. You're absolutely correct that it should be optional. This is a genuine potential deal-breaker.

Is the first time i hear about the antiepilepsy filter. It's so rare, don't you think?

OK, so now we know who is responsible - it is evil Ubisoft! But this epilepsy explanation doesn't solve this:

If you are installing from CD spilled some mistakes, but Steam still installed and put the game by downloading something else from the network. Folder with the game weighs 3.95 GB. Version 1.00.13716

System:
CPU: Core i5-2500K 3.3@4.5GHz
MB: ASUS P8P67 PRO
Memory: 2*2 Gb DDR3 Kingston "Hyper X" KHX1600C7D3K2/4GX
Video: CrossFireX 2*ATI R5850 1024Mb 256bit DDR5
SSD: Intel X25-M SSDSA2MH080G2C1
Audio: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium SB0880
OS: Win7 64bit

NOT PLAYABLE

Profile video settings - average. Smoothing is "On." How to turn off completely - do not understand. Average FPS about 21-25 in a single mission over England, not in the city, as well - villages, woods in some places, grass ... Frequent dropdowns of 10-15, maximum 41. In a collision with the ground subsidence FPS to 3-4 for a few seconds. Friezes, jerks - not comfortable. On trees plane not beating, setting realistic. Significantly slows the cursor on the screen, move it is not convenient.

Processor almost doesn't run! Maximum load up to 25%!

Memory usage 70-80%

CrossFireX - does not work!

If you select the pilot was a flight no longer went there.
When you configure the video was freeze for 15-20 seconds.
Mission training takeoff not started
Steam annoying, press shift + tab, to record the FPS, and the windows of stim ...
Alt + tab does not work correctly, the full switch to Windows does not happen and the game is not minimized.

Disappointed very much. I hope to optimize the game and drivers

Sound by the way is NOT from IL2 - liked it.

original in russian here - http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthrea...t=67803&page=6

Correct me if I got it wrong - they spent last 3 months implementing this feature while they could have used the time to squash bugs and further polish/optimize the game, work on missing features etc...??

Political correctness has no rationality requirement.

See link below, Ubisoft are mentioned as being one of the first to change their testing procedures on games due to this campaign for epilepsy testing/warning etc:

http://www.epilepsy.org.uk/campaigns...ng/video-games

Problem is , they also say that it is something new.

If it's three months old, it's hardly new.

My guess, and it is a guess, is that while there were implementing this s###T into the code, they did also some optimizations and corrections across the whole game and they were rushed to release it...Now, if I understand correctly, they will try to "remove" the filter part for the russian version...Would it be released as a patch ? If so, it would be technically possible to fix our versions too, as long as its illegal and unsupported by 1C...

Salute !

It is hard to believe this "anti-epilepsy filter" was enforced on Oleg team by Ubisoft... Come on, we all know that flight sim is not mainstream game, right? And there HAS to be an agreement or statement of work between Oleg and publisher. It is not so easy to enforce such as change just three months before "going live"...
It is not possible to find anything regarding epilepsy on the Ubisoft Corporate Site... On their place I would sell it via press conf for sure to increase the sales...

What's the next reason why this game is just so unfinished?

You can get an epileptic fit from turning on a lightbulb or driving a car, and watching TV. Games always came with a warning on. That was suffice. If people ignore the warning, they have no right to sue anyone.

If its true that game performance has been sacrificed for this, then at least give us the option to turn it off

I've played IL2 for like, 12 years or something like that, it never gave me epilepsy

THEY CUT OUT SLI TO PUT IN THIS CRAP? You got to be kidding me, this is completely moronic. Hey guys - good luck with the next gen engine, no sli = a game that is going to have SERIOUSE problems in the future since everyone is moving towards more but low power gpus (crossfire/SLI). This is absurd, 1. why is this even a problem? Why would it stop SLI? Why wasnt this looked into by a lawyer?
2. get rid of ubi for crying out loud!
3. THIS is why games contain box warnings saying that it may cause seizures, make people sign a use policy with a explicit warning about epilepsy on it. What a retarded mistake.

I'm sure that Luthier will clarify this, but as i understand the game uses a full-screen routine (shader i assume) that compares EACH pixel in two subsequent frames to make sure there are no sharp changes in brightness. If there are sharp changes (and almost all in the game has these sharp changes - dark planes on bright sky), this shader makes the brightness change more subtle to not to cause a stroboscope effect.
As you can see, this should increase load on GPU and potentially is uncompatible with SLI rendering (or make SLI slower than a single card) since you can't just render on two GPUs - you need to compare results of this rendering and then alter them.

They way they could make sure that
"western epileptics cannot disable it at home" is trigger an epileptic fit inducing flicker when you try to disable it, and move the button, so they cant click it with their eyes closed.

This is the sadest news I have ever read on this forum. Amazing, no wonder Oleg wants to hang up his sim making keyboard.
To work so long on getting the maximum detail in for the perfect frame rates and then have this done to you.

Amazing.

This was posted on the russian forum. I take it to mean we can turn the filter off. Fingers crossed.:)


1. Message from Youss
fellow vacationers relax comrades!

the incentive disable the storage of the configuration in the cloud.
measure our own FPS (in the running game, Shift + Tab, fps START SHOW, Shift + Tab) - write.
conf.ini find the file in the user profile c: \ users \ pupkin_i_i \ documents \ 1c ... \ il2 sturmovik ...
in the config file, find line
antiepileptic =... and correct to the antiepileptic = 0, save config measure our FPS, and legate of the result here.

waiting for replies have done.

What a load of crap. I'll be disabling that "feature" at the first opportunity. Filters like this should be optional and implemented on graphics cards, rather than individual titles.

Where is the f***** problem.

Get the XXXX optional. Everyone suffering from this can help him self by switching on and the rest can play with better framerates.

I want an 'anti-drunk' filter.
I often find that the game just doesn't handle too well after a few beers. It would be nice if it could be tailored to account for bad judjement, blurry eyesight, uncoordinated movements, and sick on the keyboard.
I eagerly await the development team's response.
:-)

YUP... ubifools ineptitude is beyond legendary! what a pack of assclowns!!!!

from the linked article
 

"“If games are pre-screened, the odd problematic sequence can be taken out,” she explains, “but I don’t want the games spoiled. We’re talking about the odd second or two here and there. No one will find the game any less fun or exciting.”
"

sure, a real time world being generated in 3d and take out a few problematic scenes.

If it is just a parameter in the config, which can be easily switched off, why it is not switched of in 1C distribution??? Only Ubisoft wanted it. But Oleg knew how it will damage the game but he still left it for the fellow Russians? Come on, I don't believe it at all...

I just don't understand why you jumped on the bandwagon to blame Ubisoft... It is 1C who is selling it on russian market now and what they sell is really, really bad product...
this is soooo unprofessional of the Oleg team... they kept quite, let the people to buy and order and suddenly when Russian starts to complain russian producer is blaming foreign distributor... nice manipulation...

I am going to give a plus one on that.
1C has launched the game.

Ubi does not seem to be too eager to launch it that quickly.

The question is:

Will it be switchable for the UBIS*T version aswell?

Did anyone else see the fps from that rig?
i2500k at 4.5ghz and a 5850 .....not playable at times then up to 20-25 fps.

If that can't run it then WTF can? Don't ruin this game!

The trailers weren't so bad... neither were the demos at Igromir.

Ubi can GTFO.

It's unbelievable!

I am just speechless...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEsDs-l9LHA

first - FPS
second - sound
third - unintentional ramming by left wing to cut the enemy plane in two pieces and still flying

1C and UBISOFT ! PLEASE get serious! i am an adult (33 yrs old) and i dont care a sh. for epilepsy. i play on pc since i am 9 yrs old. WTF is goin on?

i just bought ati hd6990 and i cant disable crossfire there so WTF??? 540 euro for nothing? ARE YOU SERIOUS ?

ubisoft already killed silent hunter series with romanian amateurs tryin to make a work of professionals.PRIVATE persons,modders like grey wolf team did far better on silent hunter 3 than your paid monkeys on the next parts!!

and now you lay your silly ,smelling shadow on il2 /CoD?

plz tell me this is a bad dream and lemme wake up!

plz tell me,should i cancel the preorder with my card forcing crossfire 24/7?

i play bad company 2 on 32times antialiasing etc etc

BULLSHIT! antiepileptic muahahahahaahah cmoon gimme a break...really

crysis 2 is console,CoD non crossfire,dragon age 2 sleep pill from consoles...should i sell my freakin PC ? my KIDs play consoles but I HAVE THE MONEY and i mostly use it for me :grin: :grin:

1C you are defending the last real PC playgrounds.you have a sim community.usually grown up guys that established themselves. and then you put in a feature that KILLS all the enthusiasm? sorry,plz ban me but you all are clowns!

To be honest im not,

1. His GPU is old, and we dont know what settings he is using. + a patch is coming out tonight.

2. Wait and see before jumping to conclusions.

3. Aircraft fuselages are really quite weak and the bf110 has lost a large portion of its wing, check out the roundels position with the right wing. It may have not chopped through an aircraft in real life but it could have caused enough damage to reduce its structural integrity. To see this we would need a third person perspective.

Isnt Crossfire the same as SLI, so do you have two 6990's?

guys this over at sukhoi

looks like you can turn it off.

Thanks for the heads up Sven.

... in the russian version... but who knows if these UBIsuckers force us to use it

Guys, I dont think that UBIsoft have banned SLI/Crossfire, it simply a case of Cliffs of Dover not meeting the required standard, Luthier as said that they are working on a fix which to me says that its a developers issue rather than a publisher's. Otherwise there would be no point in fixing it if SLI/Crossfire was banned.

S!

Just make game available to west from 1C, problem solved. PayPal or similar as payment method. Really if this was enforced and causing delay of CoD, then what can one say. Actions speak for themselves :(

LOL @ your new avatar Tree! :D

To me this is an useless standard: cigarettes... it's written that smoking is dangerous, but they still let me smoke them.

I have seen soooooooo many threads about how SLI/Crossfire does not work... its usual that they add SLI and Crossfire support/debugs at a later date.

Lets be honest if it runs bad on a SLI/Crossfire turn one off for the game and it should run fine... also a common occurrence.

That's something to take in mind indeed:(

Bingo!!!

Im giddy from seeing the Bf110/Bleinhem NOT blowing up upon contact + the 110 CAN fly with a portion of its wing missing.


Allways 2 sides to a coin :)

Yes, look at this.

http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/w...ngsAvenger.jpg

i was trying to find the Claude with its wing missing but stumbled upon that image instead, perfect example.

Some info, on the avenger for those interested.

http://flattopshistorywarpolitics.yu...on-Chichi-Jima

I want to confirm that everything said here is true, we have implemented some drastic features for anti-epilepsy protection which are affecting FPS and killing SLI support.

We CANNOT make these optional. That will allow an opportunistic or an unfortunate person suffering from epilepsy to sue Ubisoft for damages and literally close down the studio for good.

This was a stop-gap measure to make sure the game gets released. As I explained in the clumsily-translated Russian article, everything in our game causes seizures - gunfire, explosions, fire, sun passing behind canopy framework, etc. Basically flight sims are an epileptic's nightmare.

We'll work to improve the framerate and perhaps address individual issues individually as opposed to applying a single rough post-effect filter, but it is basically a very sad situation. Something completely unrelated and unexpected came to our sim with a giant axe and whacked at it at the last moment. We just didn't have time to properly address it.

Thanks for the reply Luthier, its a sorry world when people go around pruposefully starting lawsuits and while I am no fan of UBI I am aware that they will be the one that get it in the neck if any misshapes occur.

As someone has suggested, why can a pack of fags be sold with a mere warning and not the game... its a bizarre world we live in.

+ I can blame UBI for not telling you early so I can continue hating UBI anyway :D

Thanks for clarifying this Luthier. But does this actually affect how we see things in the game? Does it look worse with this epilepsy filter applied?

Crikey, that's some disappointing news my friend.

lol ... and people wonder why ubisoft keep declaring massive losses year in year out :D


Maybe ubi should release Cliffs of Dover as part of their new facebook game package, that will be elipsey safe for sure :D

First of all, congratulations Ilya, Oleg and team! Thank you for keeping us entertained for the coming 10 years :)

Concerning the filter: This is very sad news! If I understand correctly, this measure effectively means you cannot modell anything in a sim that could cause an epileptic fit in reality. What a massive limitation for the future!

thanks for the info! Is it possible to deaktivate it "inofficial", maybe in config file? Only for the few non epileptic owners of this game? ;)

Thank you for posting info about this luthier.

A very unfortunate decision, to say the least. Franky I still can't believe this has been forced upon you guys.

This is such complete bullsh*t. I'm beyond words.

hmmm
 

almost sounds like an early jump on a pretty good April fools joke:) i certainly hope this is the case :P

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers". - (Act IV, Scene II).:mrgreen:

I was just thinking the same thing

Maddox Games needs to discuss this with an attorney. Any epileptic can pick up any game and it can induce a seizure. Pretty much all games carry anti-epilepsy warnings and they are sufficient to prevent any litigation. IL-2 COD just needs to have the 'disable epilepsy filter' option buried in an ini file and as such the user has to take precise and deliberate action to change the option. There is not a judge anywhere that would rule against the game designer in such a situation.

At the end of the day they're being bullied by ubisoft to comply with their ridiculous whims and as a software developer myself I really, really feel for them.

Good luck Luthier, Oleg etc. getting this thing taken care of. We all have 100% confidence you will come up with a great solution that will solve this nasty problem.

Crickey - if UbiSoft sold light bulbs they would probably make the maufacturer encase them in non transparent material "just in case" -so is this the same for all new games being released from now on? :evil:

Ubisoft just continues to show why they are hated so much.

Don't be such a drama queen, you have the right to cancel so do so.

Luthier, would it not be at all possible to have some sort of DLC via steam that has a licence agreement on it to remove the epileptic filter?

After reading all the facts and hearing it from the "horses mouth" I will NOT be buying this game. If patches make the frame rates more acceptable, then I will reconsider.

When I see i2500k at 4.5 ghz and a 5850 gpu...that is 20-25 fps at good times and down to 5 at the rough ones, i'm not sure how anyone will have an enjoyable experience playing this game.

i hope 1C has no further contracts with UBI for further CoD titles (read AdOns).
1C should go the way of worldwide puplishing this series via digital download. I dont like STEAM, but perhaps that causes less proplems than UBI ...

Guys,

Don't be overly pessimistic. Luthier, you too you are probably tired, a good sleep and you will come back with renewed enthusiasm :)

IMO this means simply that we must wait some more time to have the problem solved. I'm confident that Luthier's approach - solve issues one by one as opposed to the post-effect, FPS killer filter - will fix this mess. It is technically feasible - true, Luthier? - it just needs more time.

I just blame the improvisation behind all that: either someone in Russia didn't read the technical requirements attached to the Ubisoft contract, or someone in France forgot to tell them.

Good night!
6S.Insuber

What are the new recommended and minimum specs with this in mind?

well we (USA)have almost a month to see how this plays out I really cant see there not being an option added to disable the feature...they will have to or it will kill the game :(

God damm Ubisoft...your doing this crap again?

This is why I didn't pre-order. Hope it can be modded out.

these are sad sad news...I understand Oleg now. Seems that who doesn´t understand customers is UBI.

PD: UBI se puede ir a la concha de su puta madre.

not only did UBISoft destroy Silent Hunter Series they also Destoyed the Rainbow 6 series, and i hear countless other PC Only titles.

It makes me wonder why did 1C sign up with UBISoft for CoD???? it is asking for trouble and makes no sense to a gamer.

I was hoping i could buy this Sim now, and just buy a GTX460 1GB G/card to replace my ageing 256mb X1950 Pro, which then would bring me above the minimum requirements as i have dual core 2.4 processor. I cant afford another pc yet to get a faster processor, and probably wont be able to for the next 6 months. So my small outlay for a new g/card was meant to enable me to fly for now. But now, with the epilepsy feature, being proccessor intensive, i might find i still cant run it???

Like a bad dream...


I absolutely agree with the above. On what rights can someone sue you on account of human stupidity? Change the interface, redo the cover, put it on on the manual in bold red lettering - heck even replace the title with "EPILEPTIC WARNING".




I wish you best of luck in dealing with this. Even if you sort out FPS & SLI/CF problems, I wonder how will this affect overall graphical representation.

Words can't express the shock I am still feeling after reading about this two hours ago!

ubisoft have applied this rule for the last 3 years how could the Dev's possibly overlook it. Incredible.

So how long has UBI had this new rule and how long has the COD team known about it?

Are you saying Luthier that the sim is handicapped for months to come?

Im sorry but something does not add up to me.
We get to know about this on release day??

come on...im not that green.

45.5GHZ CORE X10 CPU
ATI 69000 1TB mem
124 gigs of DDR50 1333333 RAM
1 terawatt psu (with 6 pin for video of course :))


I think that should about do it :shock:

IIRC the publisher "was found" in October last year.

Leave a comment on that epilepsy site like I did.

Paragraphs like this show more ignorance than insight:

Lawsuits are killing off far more than games. It's complete madness. The West really does deserve to fail.

Someone could simply ignore to be epileptic. One person in 4'000 can suffer from a seizure induced by light patterns. And also, someone can be an-alphabet. Or under 6 years old. Or not speaking the language of that version. Or ... you name it. A good lawyer can make a fortune out of this, in US but not only. More than that, Ubisoft wants to improve his public image after the Nintendo issue in UK, which caused a tabloid-galore.

Again, I blame only the very late action on this spec, maybe related with the late choice of the Western publisher.

Cheers,
6S.Insuber

PS: or, maybe, it's just an excuse for the low FPS ... just kidding ! :D

So, i guess we now call it IL2:EW (Epileptic Warning) :(

This is horrific news. I have good hardware. I don't have epilepsy. Cannot stand low or uneven framerates. I don't want to edit an .ini file to turn off a filter but I guess I could go along with that solution, if it was there. I cancelled my pre-order. Will wait around and see if issues like these go away. Hoping for the best!

UBI's "Silent Hunter 5" was a sim I was looking forward to greatly (bought 3 and 4). I cancelled the pre-order when I found out about the constant-connection-to-UBI-servers. Rise of Flight I also skipped.

I try to judge fairly and see things from their perspective. I think UBI as a publisher has lots of money, brings us some good titles/franchises, but ultimately stand out as being incompetent. The marketing section seems to have no clue to how the market will respond to their bizarre decisions.

well after readin all this im almost glad that Im not getting the game until the 19th...

I hope this all gets sorted out by then. :(

Hey, I have hemorrhoids from sitting and playing il2 too much, can Ubisoft do something about this?

2 Collectors Editions cancelled with GREAT sadness.
In the unlikely event that the sim is playable then I'll rethink my options but I can't risk £100 on a potentially unusuable game.

My thoughts regarding this particular fiasco à la Ubisoft:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqghvckkERs


I once got elbow bursitis for resting my elbow on table while playing IL-2! Class action lawsuit for not telling me that I should use padding under my elbow!

WARNING: FOLLOWING VIDEO MAY CAUSE PHOTOSENSITIVE APOCALYPTIC SEIZURE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeXQBHLIPcw

I've just read another Luthier's post on Sukhoi forums and yes, this is indeed very serious.
Luthier stated that this epilepsy issue has forced them to completely irreversibly screw the representation of propellers- ruining their spin rate and transparency. This is already implemented and is not reversible.

Then we read here that they will have to now go through the rest of the game "fixing" things one-by-one. (Just like propellers:evil:)

THe current "overall fix" does not only concern SLI- it also causes freezes/fps drops for single card users when flying low for example.

Beta testers and people who played CoD at Russian gameshows say that even then the game was less jerky and better optimised . Epilepsy (as it stands now) has indeed impacted the game for ALL users. I thought it was a joke, but its pretty grave.

Source(Russian):
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthrea...=1#post1571060

Exactly. I demand that every CloD copy must be shipped with one of these:

http://www.hemorrhoidtreatmentxp.com...Relief_147.jpg

i would be risking a £150 graphics card upgrade for this game aswell as £35-ish the price of the game if it dont run on my AMD X2 4200+ processor. because i would only be buying the graphics card for IL2:CoD.

If anyone knows if my processor would be good enough can they please let me know, i have 2GB ram, and wouldve got a GTX440 card.

Sorry to hear that Lensman, I really dont know what to do, On one hand ive waited so long for this, and I love the collectors edition extras, But on the other it sounds like it wont run properly after some stupid decision by Ubisoft.

All i can hope is a way is found to get rid of this damn filter and return the sim to what it should be.

Many Many yrs ago I know carmageddon was forced to change the people into zombies and green blood to get itself released, Within 3 weeks there was a leaked patch from one of the makers that returned the zombies into People and red blood. Its happened before, no reason it cant happen again in this case.

God I hope im making the right choice.

Cowboy10uk

That's pretty bad and i don't say this to blame you, in fact i can feel your frustration.

If they really did wait until the last possible moment to demand this feature from you they obviously don't know who they're messing with...the local forum forum brigade will swiftly migrate to the Ubi forums and start applying some pressure to put mildly, not to mention that we won't be arguing among ourselves this time :evil:

Let's hope a solution can be found. On the other hand, i don't really know what that would entail for the graphics fidelity of the sim even if frame rates are fixed.

Already there and shouting loudly, Any support would be greatly appricated. :)

Ubisoft have had this development rule for over 3 yrs, its an oversight from the Dev's not Ubisoft.

If anyone can get this news out to sites like Kotaku and other mainstream game blogs, I'm sure they'd run it as a story.