The goodbye thread
 

Those who will not buy CoD on account of it using Steam have had to make their point across several unconnected threads. I'd like to offer this thread to them as a place where they can collectively and individually confirm their refusal to play CoD, and also so they can say goodbye to the community as we enter a final countdown to the start of our adventures over the Southeast of England and eventually, goodness knows how many theatres or conflicts.

I'm sad to see you left behind, of course, and would rather you came with us on this exciting trip. But let's at least have a nice goodbye.

So please: sign below if you're not coming, and wish us the best for the many years of CoD to come. I know IL-2 will remain a quality title and I wish you too many more hours with your favourite flight sim.

Edit:: please don't post any points either for/against Steam; this thread exists as a place of remembrance, so that those who are ending their association with CoD and all future add-ons and can say their final goodbyes.

To be quite honest I am not overly interested in CoD anyway the aircraft are far too modern for me !! The only interesting aircraft seem to be AI :D

My main interest in Il2 has been skinning 1930's era biplanes and I suspect that is what I will continue to do regardless of what funky DRM they use for CoD :D




Some nice colorful pictures of some recent skins I made to cheer up the thread :D


http://www.mission4today.com/uploads...7/4472_73a.jpg

http://combat-asylum.com/uploads/dow...ototype800.jpg

http://www.mission4today.com/uploads...red_leader.jpg

http://combat-asylum.com/uploads/dow...d1938_op_q.jpg

Actually, although the sim ride has been fun, I'm planning on starting up other new hobbies and really want to start flying again. But with fuel prices rising of late, I'm not so sure about that now. I also plan to restart another passion of mine which is fishing. I might try salt water fishing and guided trips. I'll still play sims but not as much and it will probably be the old IL2 still. Not as nice graphics as COD will have but still fun, I'm just not going the Steam route. There were tons of people that held off of ROF due to the constant connection requirement they had at first. But they got smart and changed all of that so maybe COD will drop steam too?? I still am not sure I'll buy ROF since they still don't have much offline content but they say that will be changed. But ROF will get my business now before COD ever will. That is if I decide to still sim much. There are other things we can do with our time. Hell I lived the first 34 years of my life with no simming at all. Like I have said in other posts, this will be a big loss for Oleg and his team. They should have never made the deal with Ubi-crap again!!

Fearfactor,

Try soaring. It's the most inexpensive flying you will find. But, be careful. It's addictive. :grin:

binky9

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...2&postcount=29

you keep saying that but what exactly makes you think so...

You DON'T need a continuous online connection.
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Do I have to be online to activate my game?

While the activation solution will initially attempt to activate your game online, you can elect to manually enter an activation code. You will need to enter the code that comes with your game into the activation wizard, you will then be given an activation code that you can enter manually. So, although you do not necessarily need to have your computer hooked up to the internet, you will need to go online to obtain a code before playing.
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Brothers, sisters, mothers, posties - debate not their passing, nor the activating or not of their new lives. Respect the end as they choose to greet it, and maybe plant a flower or stare wistfully at the sky. I'm also taking donations for the new TV - wing for the chapel.

Actually, i'm worried this forum will devolve into picking sides for or against features the community is divided over, more so than in the past.

I'd hate to see it turn into a state similar to the one the RoF forums had during it's release, with people screaming "fanboy" and "deal with it, it's the future" at each other, all just because people can't resist taking a verbal jab at those who harbor a different opinion. We don't all have to agree all the time you know :rolleyes:

I'm probably getting the sim anyway, but i really hope Steam is there as nothing more than a server browser. It won't work out if they try to shoe-horn CoD into Steam, it's Steam that has to cater to the needs a flight sim game has and not the other way around.

It's obvious they did this for the extra exposure but what remains to be seen is if Steam gamers fit the demographic and whether they can offset the amount of lost sales from the old fashioned die-hards. I just hope we don't end up exchanging most of the knowledgeable old timer folks who know useful stuff about WWII history and aircraft with a bunch of gamers straight in from call of duty and the prevalence of low difficulty air-quake servers with no real historical context whatsoever.

Just because Steam is a great and innovative platform for certain genres doesn't mean it can do the same for a flight sim. How does one go setting up a historically accurate, mission oriented DF server in Steam anyway? Can you rent one yourself and simply have it listed in Steam, or do you rent it directly from them? In case the second is true, can you add maps and missions to the rotation with ease or is it just basic functionality that suits action games with small maps and few variables just fine, but would be prohibitive to seeing something like Spits vs 109s for CoD? If for some reason you are locked out of Steam (hijacked accounts, happened more than once), will that render your beautiful collector's edition totally useless for multiplayer?

I'd hate to even start to imagine getting ping-ponged between the tech support departments of two different companies in such a scenario and it illustrates very well that since copy protection is already handled by Solidshield and people have been able for ages to set up their own private and public multiplayer sessions through a variety of third party tools, the integration with Steam is an added layer of complexity to deal with for the end user without even being essential to the actual operation and enjoyment of the software. It has some nifty, welcome and even useful stuff that are unfortunately added on top of one more layer of things that can break down.

These are the important questions, namely how good Steam is for the scope of something like CoD and not how good Steam is in general. Our games are not similar to what is generally a game. It's certainly not useful at all poking fun at each other's expense when we don't know anything about the potential implications for our community that close to launch and sadly, once again Ubi is not up to the task of providing detailed information. We don't know how optional or mandatory it will be, we don't know if we will need to install through it, etc.

I try to think it won't be too bad in the end, i hope it will even turn out well, but the lack of choice in the matter sure stinks a lot. I just hope that in the event it's cumbersome and unsuitable for our simming needs we'll be able to eventually bypass it altogether in favor of a community made server browser tool. That or Ubi is in for a torrential and continuous earful until the next release from a multitude of disgruntled customers.

this 'worried this forum will devolve' thing; are you talking about something that may happen in the future? For brother, I have news. This forum was born punching itself in the head from both sides. We're not happy unless we're disagreeing. As you can see, I'm disagreeing with you right now, even though I may agree with you. It's just not the point.

Ack, Blackdog you've only gone and posted around 6 billion points in one bloody post again. I'd like to consider and respond to them all but I'm nearly 40 for christ's sake.

Suffice to say, you have some interesting points but the main ones can be summarised as such: wrong, wrong, wrong, right - no, sorry - wrong, wrong and wrong.

tee hee.

Actually, I'll give it a go.

Regarding Steams' demographic: Steam hosts over 1250 games from ass-hurting turn-based strategy bore-fests (I have several) to mental shoot-em-ups (I have several). It's not some sort of 'community', rather thousands of ickle small ones, so clearly something as niche as this will fit in.

Steam's server browsing is a thing of beauty and much admired and copied throughout the industry. Hyperlobby, whilst it serves its purpose, looks and feels like something from the 1980s in comparison and cannot compete in terms of features or innovation. I know, for I was in the 1980s. It was a small part. We will be able to host any old sort of server we like.

Steam has protection for hijacking of accounts and all that sort of nonsense.

The integration of Steam is an added abstraction, this is true. But with that comes many benefits. Our games are much more like other games than some of the games on Steam. Sound like a silly statement? You started it.

I think I've responded to your main points, though just going wrongwrongwrong was easier.

At least you're probably going to try it. What a mad mentalist you are in comparison to our brothers and sisters skulking elsewhere around the church. Pray for them.

Heck in the big scheme of things.....its just a game. Nothing more. I am getting a hard copy and do not fly online so alot of stuff people cry about doesnt apply to me. I fly ROF and have to login online just to fly in the career mode. I guess I could jump up and down and scream about that....But I just choose to fly and enjoy the hell out of it. When COD comes out I will do just that. And flying in a game is not my whole life. I work out in my yard, hunt, fish and have other hobbies as well. I have a wife and daughters and grandchildren and a life. It is just a game....a game I look forward to flying and enjoying. The way I look at things, if having to logon online just to fly the career mode of ROF is the worst thing about my day, then I have had a pretty darn good day. Same goes for whatever the details are with COD. Life is just to darn short to be taken seriously. When you get to be an old man your priorities change.

Consider ultralights.

I am in the process at the moment of converting my GA time over to an aussie UL qualification. The big advantage aside from lower flight costs is no stupid expensive medicals.

In Australia you have a "light sports" category that lets you fly aircraft up to 600 kg. I am currently doing my conversion (5 hours solo required) on one of these:

http://www.australianflying.com.au/i...-J230D_sc1.gif

Similar weight to a Cessna 152 but slightly more powerful so not a bad performer.

Steam is the very last option to me. Not that I wouldn't like the ease of use, the ease of online shopping and playing... But I hate how you cannot turn off the automatic updates and how it doesnt even tell you its going to download, or downloading right now, something. If those DAILY apparently 20-30mb patches arent vital and why would they be, for Steam's functioning, why the heck cant they be downloaded whenever the user wants to?

This is especially annoying, as the bandwidth usage is not just random, but also happens when I'm playing a Steam game. I don't have an 8mb/s connection and I'm not going to get one any soon, so the way Steam currently works, its not an option.

You can turn off the automatic updates for games. It does tell you when it's downloading, but doesn't announce it will begin to, as you've left the option for automatic updates checked. Thus, it happens automatically. If you want to do it as and when you choose, turn off automatic updates.

Steam doesn't announce its own updates, this is true. Nor does it allow them to be optional. Why? Because they're very often anti-exploitation patches. Makes perfect sense to me.

Considering pretty much everything you said is wrong you've either never used steam or didn't bother to change your settings. Either way good job spreading false information about a program you're ignorant about. Not nearly enough of that happening around here :rolleyes:

I use Steam to play Red Orchestra and its mods several times a week. Last Saturday I couldnt, because the Steam kept using 95% of available download bandwidth despite the game being open. There is no option to stop automatic updates.

EDIT: I know that you can stop automatic updates for GAMES, but not the Steam itself. My Steam Client wants to update itself about twice a week, of course not telling me when its doing that, how much it has to download or how much there is left. Half of it is probably spyware and commercials.

EDIT2: it actually doesnt even tell what its downloading. Game updates it is not, those are turned off.

So one day you had trouble with steam so it is spyware and commercials? Because last Saturday Steam supposedly used all your bandwidth it's a malicious program. If you have trouble with small updates that occur maybe once or twice a week you shouldn't be online anyway. Or, could it be that the problem you were having was an anomaly? If you can play multiplayer games online, you can update steam with no problem. All the times I've seen hyperlobby down and you whine about problems with Steam ONE SATURDAY.

One Saturday? I gave an example. Happens on average once a week, probably because I dont have Steam open every time I have computer open, mostly exactly because of its tendency to use use all the bandwidth for hours. Keeping it offline I at least know when that is going to happen...

If I'd consider it malware I wouldnt use it, let alone give it my credit card info. You missed the joke. :grin:

Edit, HL down, when last, for how long? ;)

I already explained why that happens to you and everyone else.

And that is why I have the Steam offline now, and why with my current connection it will not be an option for il2:cod multiplayer...

Well, cheerio then! Thanks for posting in the goodbye thread. I'm sorry you won't come with us, as we probably have many fine years of CoD and its corresponding expansions ahead, but I admire your strength of character in refusing to compromise your position.

Unless you have the worst internet on the planet you're exaggerating or something is wrong with your computer, not Steam. What is your bandwidth?

There are nut jobs afraid to use Steam because the government is out to get them, it's a virus, it's communism, it causes cancer, blah blah I have heard it all. You didn't word it in a joking manner.

1/.5

I can keep track of different processes' bandwidth usage, no viruses or anything. My connection is easily sufficient for surfing, youtubing and gaming, but with Steam's autoupdates the latencies and packetloss skyrocket.

I have emailed a local importer if they have any info on the activation system...

Stop the presses! Large updates use large bandwidth. I choose to only update my stuff when I want to play it, and that interfers with me wanting to play it right now!

The Steam client updates tend to be very small. If a client update is bringing your internet to a screeching halt you don't have a very good internet connection. Game updates do pause when you start a game that is played online. What I see likely happening here is people keep it off most of the time and don't let it do updates over night or something reasonable, and instead choose to basically do all the updates at the same moment they are ready to play a game. I.E. user error.

If you only start your car when it needs to be serviced it will take longer to get somewhere. That is not a fault with the car.

And some people have better uses for their bandwidth when they dont have the free time to play, and dont keep their computers open 24/7.

Better uses? You mean like downloading stuff? I don't really need much bandwidth except when gaming or downloading stuff. Browsing takes very little bandwidth so that can't be what you are referring to unless as I suggested you have a low bandwidth to begin with in which case I can see how Steam may seem inconvenient.

I will not bother with CoD if the only way to play online is through Steam. I want the flexibility to play online whenever, wherever and in whatever country I am in. If Steam is provided as one option with others, like Hyperlobby, also available then maybe it wont be a problem, but I've not read anything yet that makes me think this will be the case. I've just cancelled my pre-order until its clear what is going on.

As long as you can get online, you can use Steam anywhere.

Edit:: You can of course use Steam offline too, but his point was to play online.

Goodbye Oleg and team :(

One of the more entertaining topics recently.

Are you going to commit suicide?

I wonder about people who get so worked up about bits of software, but each to their own.

I'll leave it to Vera..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHcun...eature=related

I'm passionate about the subject matter of CoD, so I'll install whatever it needs.

Me too Winny, me too. Absolutely none of this is going to change gameplay, so why should it matter. Ignorance is rather discomposing I must say. If people are not even willing to give it a go, than I find that quite contempible. Get over yourselves.

... no, even this game isn't worth commiting suicide.

I'm out too.

Hecke old fella could you explain to me why your not willing to use a tool that at this very moment has 2,000,000 ppl online and...

It has is becoming the core of most pc games, every time a console player says PC Gaming is dying PC gamers CRY OUT STEAM AND IMPULSE

Steam in my opinion is saving pc gaming.... HURAH for steam and bye to all those that are too stubborn to install a software that has caused the majority of ppl that tried it no problems :razz:

Honestly, I feel sorry for you guys. I'm not saying it WILL be the best simulator we've ever seen, but it has some serious potential to bring you countless hours of entertainment and you're going to write it off on something so damn trivial.

I hope one day you'll reconsider, because the only person who will be affected by your decision is you. It's not going to change anything, it won't change the way PC games are distributed now or in the future.

How is Steam any different from Netflix?? Are people threatening to leave netflix because you can't watch movies without an internet connection?

Seriously. In this new age of digital content everything is moving away from boxed content , music labels are going digital etc. If your an old timer you need to adapt. If your young you should be staying ahead of the curve.

I agree, Steam did save PC gaming. I for one hated having 100 empty boxes piled up in my old bedroom :P

CoD can be pre-ordered at Just Flight. That's not a steam version, is it?

Edit: Oops sorry, it's Steam too.

I have STEAM installed because I play(ed) Left 4 Dead 2.
The tool looks fresh and modern, but my broadband isn't.
It needs pretty long to load all the advertising stuff, etc.

I don't like that I have to wait until steam or the game itself is updated before I can play it.

The biggest MINUS of STEAM is, that I can't sell my games.


Finally, I won't cancel the pre-order because I fckn can't wait to get my hands on this masterpiece :)

So much drama...

The truth is that there's no alternative to this game.
If you want to play a decent ww2 flight sim, which has years of development ahead of it, you simply have no other choice.
Eventually you will have to get used to whatever it needs to be played.
Or stick with 1946 for the rest of your life.



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lol :-)

.....we haven't even met yet,have we?:rolleyes:

Bottom line is, it interferes with his ability to use his PC in a way he sees fit and was possible to do so without the platform. So yes, i'd say his concerns are valid, especially since none of the features any online platform brings to the table are necessary for most games to actually work. If it was, all the games on such platforms wouldn't be available in other versions but guess what, a lot of them are. It's clear the games can work on their own, so making things mandatory instead of optional is just a publisher being stubborn and nothing more.

So, a person who's got a certain PC configuration that's able to handle the game is marginalized because his PC can't run the extra fluff on top. He's damn right to be unimpressed with that.

All you guys in favor of this assume too much in thinking we all use our PCs the exact same way and if not, we should. It's not true, it's not going to happen anytime soon and all it will do is divide the community and cost sales. Maybe the extra sales from such platforms will offset this, maybe not, we'll just have to wait and see.

You're right from the end user's perspective they aren't absolutely necessary, but they are dam convenient and add a lot of fuctionality. I however wouldn't do much online gaming if it weren't for Steam and the fact that I can call up a dozen people nearly instantly to jump into a game with me, and it makes finding servers incredibly easy.

I can't help that someone wants to use something in a slightly odd way and then complain that it doesn't work the way they want it to, and neither can anyone else. I offered a solution, but it was refused. It is simple as that there was no real argument to why he wouldn't be reasonable, but some people are incapable of any compromise. Being uncompromising in the real world will always lead to undue trouble for the uncompromising soul.

Real fighter pilots adapt and persevere, online fighter pilots should do the same.;)

Very interesting. I didn't mind Steam when I played HalfLife 4 or 5 years ago. That was a game with a limited duration though. There were a couple of times I could not get into the game when the net was down. Il2 or CoD are games with a very long shelf life. If you only needed Steam for MP I don't have a problem. If you have to use steam everytime you play we have a problem. I sat out RoF for almost a year and a half because of this. I'll sit this one out on the sidelines untill there is a "no steam for offline" option. It's the principle folks. My game, my rules. I cannot always be connected when I'm on the road and even at home my connection has periods of shoddy performance. The idea of being bombarded with adds for other games everytime I want to play go is putting me off.

Just cancelled my preorder with gogamer.com. I know, it's a bit impulsive but untill I hear that I don't need an internet connection to play offline I'm out. Another thing is I can get into Il2 in 30 seconds and play a QMB match. It always took me a few minutes just to get into steam if I could get in at all. Did not happen very often, mind you, but it was a turnoff when it did. Had to wait a few times for 20 or 30 minutes before it worked. Not going to deal with that headache again. RoF and DCS A10 are going to get my full attention untill this is resolved. This is a major bummer.

Where these people sleeping when all this constant internet on crap went on with RoF? Who knows how many sales they lost when this went on? I do hope they fix this for I want to support Oleg and play this game but enough's enough.

@ Biggs, you're right about adapting online, offline I'll do my own thing

Mind you, this is not about Steam or no Steam for me. It's about having to be connected to the internet when I want to play offline.

Very well said.

Some people are rather CounterStrike-minded.

I go this way.
I go this way again.
I go this way again.
I go this way again.
I go this way again.
I go this way again.
I go this way again.
I go this way again.
I go this way again.

My road is blocked? I quit playing the game.

Except this problem stems from people refusing to leave their PC on to allow updates whenever they happen to be released. When a computer is first switched on for the day all kinds of things are checking for updates. If a person must have incredibly slow internet they must make adjustments to their PC gaming. Sounds rude I guess but it's their problem, easily fixed by THEM. I doubt if his internet is really that slow he'd be able to play CoD(or anything else) online anyway.

As far as being upset this is a "Steam Only" game while others are available from other sources, come on. This is Cliffs of Dover not Call of Duty. It's a niche game that will not make a blip on the radar compared to big titles. How can one expect this to be available in CE, box everywhere, Digital download from dozens of sites, and steam. All that does is take money out of Olegs pocket compared to a Steam release.

You posted this twice so I will post this:

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE ONLINE WITH STEAM TO PLAY SP! Read what we are saying. Quit jumping to conclusions and making stuff up.

Twice.

another post that i'm lol'ing at.. It's kind of sad out of the 5 popular threads or so on the forum are all rage posts about steam

I sympathize with your view, but as others have pointed out, you can easily play offline in Steam - in fact that's the only way I use it. While Rise of Flight, which you said you'll play instead, still needs a constant connection to use the single-player campaign mode (and that won't change for the overhauled campaign) and only allows single missions to be played offline. Which sounds way more restrictive than Steam to me...

I don't really know what Steam is, what it does, or if I should be affraid of it.

I shall Googe and become aware.

You should also be afraid of Google :-P

For the love of all that is holy.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE ONLINE TO PLAY A STEAM GAME. THIS IS NOT 2004. Steam is a distribution platform NOT A DRM PLATFORM.

Please quit whining about absolute bloody nonsense.

There have been instances where I could not get on the RoF server. No multiplayer and no Single player Campaign where the result. I hardly ever go online and I finnished the Single player Campaign a long time ago. I was able to use the QMB and that's what I play most of the time anyway. I just want to be sure that if my internet goes down I can still play the game offline. The administrator on the CoD website confirmed himself that a connection to Steam is needded for Offline gaming. He could be wrong or maybe worded himself wrong.

Well I've looked into it and that seems fine. Thinking about it I did buy Half-Life 2 so I suppose I've already met Steam, can't say I recollect it being a problem. Time for my nap.

ok... ill play devils advocate

A: if they (Steam) are a distribution platform and i buy a box set what do i need them for?
B: if Solidshield is the DRM and i have a box set why do i need steam to install the game?
C: if i want to play SP and once again i have the box set that was activated (once) over the Internet using Solidshield then i really have no need for Steam....

and you do NEED tobe online to update steam and you game according to this
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_...3160-agcb-2555

a) They also provide a multiplayer platform as part of their software. Which apparently Cliffs of Dover is utilizing

b) see a

c) We don't know for a fact that Solidshield will be on the DD version. This may be a redundancy on the part of Ubisoft, but that is speculative.

Yes, if you want to be playing the most current version of Cliffs of Dover you will need to update it over the internet like every game, but it is not required that you update it if you are playing offline SP. The only reason to have the updated version is to be able to play MP and to fix bugs you may experience.

I'll buy it on Steam because another thread here brings an interview that stated that steam is more profitable for MG and reach much more people that boxed version.
I would love a boxed version,right but at tbis moment the very best for me is money into Oleg's team pocket.
As much as possible.

A: A good integrated multiplayer system, and an easy, convenient method of patching. Not essential, but still desirable.
B: So people who buy the boxed copy get above features^^^
C: Agreed. In this case, you may if you wish turn Steam to offline mode, use it to make a desktop shortcut to your game so you can go direct to CoD, and then forget Steam exists.

LOL this whole thread made me laugh my head off! So dramatic...ok ok I can play along.....Goodbye people who will never play this game but will continue to come and check out news on a game they will never play....lol

Steam is fine
COD will be fine and age like wine!