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Insuber 10-26-2011 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by IvanK (Post 354499)
In my tests as I suggested:

"How about a test start at 300Kmh at Sea level Go max ATA (without WEP) and Prop auto, Both RADS Full open... wait till all acceleration stops ...tell us your end IAS
Then repeat it in manual same Max ATA (without WEP) Both Rads full open ... Any RPM you choose.... wait till the acceleration stops ... tell us your end IAS and RPM you used."

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...6&postcount=57

I get the exact same end game speed whether in AUTO or Manual. 440-450Kmh IAS.

There is NO way I can get 50Kmh better in manual.

What you obviously can do in manual is set up your own ATA/RPM combinations that might be beneficial in say a 1.25ATA climb. AUTO at 1.25ATA throttle position will give you 2100RPM where you might do better manually selecting 2300RPM. Personally I use MANUAL for any long term type situations with less than max throttle position. In Combat or any time I have full throttle AUTO.

RPM is tied to throttle position NOT ATA. Below FTH ATA is also directly proportional to throttle position.

Good test, thanks. So AUTO PP doesn't handicap the top speed, as it should be.

Winger 10-26-2011 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by JG52Krupi (Post 354502)
I will do it tonight didnt get the chance last night.

P.s. I'm sure some can get ~500kmh out of a 109 buts it's quite hard.

Also who flies with rads full open!!!! I will just do it with the rad settings I always use.
430 hrs of almost exclusive 109 flying. No way to achieve 500 kph IAS permanently in level flight. Not even with emergency power. With a slight dive its possible. But as soon as you go level you can maintain the speed a small time but it WILL drop below. Maybe 470-480 is possible WITH emergency power.

Winger

JG52Krupi 10-26-2011 07:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winger (Post 354514)
430 hrs of almost exclusive 109 flying. No way to achieve 500 kph IAS permanently in level flight. Not even with emergency power. With a slight dive its possible. But as soon as you go level you can maintain the speed a small time but it WILL drop below. Maybe 470-480 is possible WITH emergency power.

Winger
Well we will see to tonight and it's more like 480 not 500 my bad :)

Winger 10-26-2011 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Continu0 (Post 354391)
Whatever you are discusing here:

I SCORED MY FIRST ONLINEKILL TODAY!

Sat in a Hurricane, managed to shoot down 2 bf109 and 1 bf110! What a day!

Those were unexperienced pilots i guess, and i have to admit that I crashed into the first bf109 after it emergency-landed, but i am proud:)

Strange enough i have smoother performance online, so I hope some of you guys will see me at 6 o´clock high once in a while...;-)

Good night
While the undetected low six is my place:P

Winger

PS: Congrats to your first kills. Even if it were virtual comrades of mine:)

Flanker35M 10-26-2011 08:36 AM
S!

The Bf110C-7 was mine Continu0. Annoying was that my reargunner did NOTHING, just sat there with gun in transit position. And before I could take control was too late and took a swim in the Channel :) Nevertheless, a kill is a kill :) Grats on the first ones and let there be a lot more! ;)

IvanK 10-26-2011 10:27 AM
Krupi I suggested Rads both full open to keep things common to all who test and ensure the conditions are exactly the same for each test. Playing with some in between rad setting will compromise the validity of the comparison as no one else can exactely match any other setting. Keep things simple and constant. I proposed the test and stated the conditions. How about just flying it as suggested. Then repeat it using whatever Rad settings you want. document both.

The purpose of the test is to determine the difference between AUTO and MANUAL prop pitch... nothing else. The claim made by Krupi was that you could achieve at least 50Kmh better in MANUAL. Exact top speed is not important in this test just the difference (if any ) between AUTO and MANUAL.

JG52Krupi 10-26-2011 11:28 PM
In level flight yeah the figure of 430-440 are correct but that's not where the auto prop starts to fail its climbing and diving that it is really slow on compared to manual.

So my humble apology John, Sapper you are correct... I just wondering where i got that 500kmh figure from :oops:

IvanK 10-27-2011 01:22 AM
Propeller Blade Pitch rate of change as seen by the clock gauge is identical in both Manual and Auto. At present it represents 1 degree per sec blade angle change. 1 Hour of clock movement takes 6 seconds Manual or Auto... timed using stopwatch.

JG52Krupi 10-27-2011 06:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IvanK (Post 354887)
Propeller Blade Pitch rate of change as seen by the clock gauge is identical in both Manual and Auto. At present it represents 1 degree per sec blade angle change. 1 Hour of clock movement takes 6 seconds Manual or Auto... timed using stopwatch.
Yes the movement might take the same time but when climbing and diving it messes up the auto prop...

I don't know a single person online that uses the auto prop... It sucks until they fix it.

CaptainDoggles 10-27-2011 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by JG52Krupi (Post 354931)
Yes the movement might take the same time but when climbing and diving it messes up the auto prop...

I don't know a single person online that uses the auto prop... It sucks until they fix it.
I use it online. If I'm trying to out-climb the RAF fighters equipped with CSP's I usually have to go into manual unless I'm zooming above them but other than that I leave it in auto pretty much at all times.

Tracking the target seems to be the hardest thing for me in CLOD so anything that keeps my eyes off the instrument panel is a bonus for me.

I get pretty good results with it, too. Tonight was the first time I've been shot down in many weeks.


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