Which I have done.

nooo, the publisher expects income from what they've chosen to publish

That's what I mean.

I´m sure they will and we will see our good old minelayer with a shiny fresh union jack on it...

Having just spent a an unbelievably frustrating 3 hours with the Blenheim's CEM and Clod's idiot onscreen notations and defaulting control ini's, I think I would very much prefer not to pay a monthly fee for the privilege. In fact I'd prefer not to play at all for another couple of months at least. :evil:

Fact is that developer team need they pay every months. I think system which was beginning of the Il 2 was best. New versions cost something and after that it is everyones own decission to buy new version or play only old one. We have to compare the price of new version (20 - 30 EUR) to new computer's price (1000 - 2000 EUR). After that my opinion is that 20 - 30 EUR from new version is pice of cake.

Even though i do appreciate the ROF DLC method, because it doesn't force you directly to buy anything other than the main game (which goes for like 20 € or so, not sure, that's pretty much what i paid back in 2009) and you get big updates for free, it can very well happen that you HAVE TO buy a plane to play online. Overall MP numbers are not impressive, so people are usually playing on one, maybe two servers. And if that server runs a mission with a planeset where you don't own any of the avaliable planetypes, you can either join as a gunner (because you can do that without owning the plane), play singleplayer instead or just quit.

So in the long-run, if you're only interested in MP, you'll need to buy atleast a few of the planes, to be able to play regularly. If you do that during a sale, a single-seater costs like 3 € or so, so it's not that much, especially not for the quality of the planes.

But overall MP players are more "screwed" (also because you need to buy "field-mods" for some planes to get a simple gunsight...) than SP player with that system, which is probably the reason why MP numbers are lower than they could be.

Anyway, i own all planes in ROF and thus have probably spend 170 € or so (can't say for sure), not because i fly all those, but to support the devs. But it was definately worth the money either way.

I would be willing to support the devs of CloD in the same or similar way. If they would support it properly (which simple hasn't been the case this year, except for the sound update, mostly done by a ROF team member) and don't just skip it and work on the next, because then i should've not spend any money in the first place, but waited for the second version. And, even if many here can't believe it, some people WERE looking forward to a up-to-date sim featuring the BoB and don't want to fight around Moscow. So even if many of the new announced features (most of those have been announced for CloD btw :rolleyes:) will make it into CloD aswell, i'm pretty sure the majority of the online community will just switch to BoM instead.

That is your choice and your prerogative :-P
We the few will continue for the greater good.


I do not like this thread, its where rumours start, next everyone will be saying 1c is bankrupt.... With out any knowledge at all start laying down this or that speculation... How does anyone know the finances of Luthier and team? Do we need up the $%^ DLC rubbish? Or do we just need to be patient and have faith? Maybe it will all come right with battle for moscow? Who knows... If your willing to pay money for DLC and ruin the entire title then how about be willing to pay now, play and pay for battle of moscow? Maybe write some positive points about the title instead of drowning it right here and making demands for a crooked capitalist business model that most players reject???

Anyone who has played this sim knows its better than IL2 1946.... Just needs a little love and time! If your so willing to splurge cash to improve the title why didnt you buy a few copies of the game extra? If you thought that would help!

This really is the last thing I have to say on this issue. We are past the point of no return. If this game fails, what are we left with that is anywhere close? IL2 1946, for me there is no turning back and nothing else comes close for WW2!

Paying a monthly fee kills creativity, and the game just becomes a cash cow. World of Warcraft is the perfect example of this. Old content is rehashed, dungeons are brought back from previous expansions and bosses are re-skinned. Actually Blizzard does not even bother hiding it anymore.

Most of the creativity and development goes into designing pretty mounts and other things which can be bought at additional cost. Yes, people still pay and play Wow. But this results in a terrible gaming community, just visit the forums.

Creativity? who cares about creativity? The Maths do the talking... 14million users (I do know the exact number; 2-3million users stepped out I was told) at USD 10 per month.... !

Just to answer the first post about paying monthly:

NO THANKS! I have a life and I intend to keep it...

God forbid I become one of those who believe their virtual life is better than their real life :(


~S~