Took me about 5 years before I had the technology available to run il2 on perfect with everything maxed out.
I expect nothing different here.As it is,CoD is running nicely on my poor old computer,and even if I went out and bought a top of the range system today,I wouldn't expect it to run CoD on max.

Yes it's a well known fact that the most important quality to being a pilot is mindless conformity, you are absolutely right, I would never qualify for Lufthansa or British airways, they have a strict policy, you must have a high education etc, I didn't have the best education, I just relied on my own stubborn dedication to finally end up where I am.

Look I am willing to appologize if I am becoming a bit insulting, I am the first to admit I get somewhat animated in any heated debate, some call it 'hot headed', but criticism as you call it is becoming petty and not constructive, people are bloating the forums with the same drivel, this will hurt the sim's development because people will be put off, the whole issue is being dealt with and it is being worked on fast, can you not at least agree with that? but in the short space of time it is taking the devs to work on the fix, there are people hell bent on slandering it.....making sure the world knows to saty away.......result, this sim dies and we are all left with arguing wether we prefer v 4.09 v4.10 0r v4.11 of il2.

Agreed.
Everyone is entitled to vent their frustrations for a while...after all there are some serious issues with the game as we're all aware, but ultimately we need to get over the disappointment and contribute as a community as best we can.
I believe in this sim and I believe the game will be everything we hoped it would be, given time.

It's not an ideal situation as things stand, but we cannot change the situation. We can only try to contribute and try to help make things better in the long run, for everybody.

That's all true what you said, but the buyers have just expected more on release. Me too.

Nevertheless, I believe that CoD is going to be a brilliant simulation through the upcoming patches.

That's the problem really, too many people expect but don't anticipate, it's a simple life skill, but everyone acts like spoiled children, crying because they wanted the shiny thing with bells on but didn't get it 'immediately'.

It makes no sense to try to convert the users here.

Many of the buyers are also mainstream users, do not forget it. They expect a game that works.

I think the killer problem that's winding people up (me included) is that other games seem able to produce the same sort of graphics quality as CloD on mid-range hardware, but at very much higher frame rates. For example, I have RoF on my i7 920 @ 3.8 HGz, 6GB RAM, GTX285 PC and it runs very smoothly. To get CloD to run at all I have to turn down so many graphics options that it looks very, very poor by comparison. It's OK over the sea, but the terrain is particularly disappointing with a massive performance hit even to get it looking like FS9. Basically, RoF knocks the spots off it.

Now it may be that there is something special going on in CloD that drags FPS down. However, I don't believe this to be the case. Some posters have claimed it's the advanced FM etc that drags down performance. But it can't be, because the CPU load from CloD is actually very light with most of the grunt of a quad-core CPU going unused. I think it's actually just very poor software design, and Luthier's post saying that they anticipate getting much better FPS out of future patches suggests that 1C themselves know that there are serious problems with it in its released state. But the name change from BoB to CloD suggests that 1C know they have little hope of delivering large aerial battles over land. Hardly an encouraging sign.

If it is just badly coded, and they can make the CPU lift some of the load off the GPU, then maybe it's recoverable as a worthwhile product. However, if people find that they need a top-end rig to even make it playable at all (rather than just to enable all the bells and whistles) then it's doomed. Negative reviews and word of mouth will kill it stone dead.

There's also a serious concern that even if it can be made to reach playable frame rates with decent graphics quality, the thing is still buggy as heck and will need a lot of work to become a decent product. There are already a number of idiotic design decisions made in the game that really need to be fixed. The acid green landscapes are deeply unattractive and look nothing like I see when I fly over England. How could they get that so wrong? The aircraft engine sounds are terrible - where is the growl of a Merlin? The QMB-type thingy it counterintuitive and seems designed to produced Bf 110s with RAF roundels etc. I have no idea why they went with what they have now rather than re-use the IL-2 QMB, or copy RoF's neat alternative. Why did they spend all that time modelling tanks we will never see in great detail when the landscape looks so poor? I could go on, but it's just dispiriting.

Overall, I have found CloD to be a serious disappointment. Perhaps because I had expected so much. It certainly does make me wonder exactly what they were up to all those years since what we have finally received is manifestly such a rushed job. RoF survived a rocky launch because they hadn't built up player expectations and because it was actually pretty playable from day 1 but just lacked content. CloD doesn't have that advantage. Unfortunately, the closest parallel to CloD so far is the ill-fated Silent Hunter 5. I really, really hope that ubi don't walk away from it after two patches as they did with SH5 and that it all comes right in the end. But so far it's not clear which way it will go. I have my fingers crossed.

Ho Hum.

I dont want to convert anyone really, I am just trying my hardest to counter all the unreasonable aspects of the complaining.

buyers?....users? I wasn't aware of a difference, I bought the game (buyer) with the intention of using it (user), I also expect a game that works it's just I have the ability to realise it will eventually work.

Simply this, the resources to research this sim are blatantly obvious and within reach of everyone with a brain and at least 1 finger, assuming your money is your most precious resource and it is truly. then why was nobody able to do a bit of research before buying, it's a lot less effort that writing slanderous posts condemning this sim.

I added my personal consideration: even if it worked (and surely CoD will work, it is only a matter of time: patches and PC upgrades will come for most of us).... do you like graphics?

IMHO CoD does not seem a 2011 game: cockpit is great, as well as planes details, but the general impression is not great (i.e.WoP or DCS are significantly better)... It could be "ok" 15-25 FPS, but I like to be impressed when I enter in the cockpit...

they will have no choice if the sales are affected by all this type of criticism....thanks!