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Furio 12-27-2010 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by W32Blaster (Post 207243)
And there is IMHO no necessity to make this an option. If you cannot cope with the feature, take an hour or two and practise how it´s done.
This is not a game for Johnny Joystick, you won´t succeed in Dogfight without practise, why should you succeed in bombing then?



just my 2ct!
This is an argument that time and again pops up to the surface. If you’re happy with maximum difficulty level, why other people should not have the option to tailor difficulty level to their own tastes and needs? As long as it’s not cheating online, where’s the problem?

IMHO, “option” is a magic word. I would like to have much more options, as many as possible within the limits imposed by engine game and by developers’ (read TD) available time.

W32Blaster 12-27-2010 12:57 PM
how many people do you think you will get online one server with options 1-100?

Just do some training and hone your skills. It´s as easy as that.
Same like if you fly a fighter: no skill, no success

Furio 12-27-2010 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by W32Blaster (Post 207254)
how many people do you think you will get online one server with options 1-100?
I’m not sure to understand this point. Are you worried to have too many different servers? Or are you saying that most people would prefer maximum difficulty level? In any case, minorities should be tolerated (by the way, talking of majority, most Il2 users fly offline).

As for the training, I train as much as I like. Also, I believe that El Aurans, KG Alpha and others are trained well enough, so, why should they not have their options with bombs?

Just to summarize: many people on this thread feel that the new fusing system is unrealistic. Some are asking for corrective action, others to have the option to restore the old system (if I’m not mistaken). I agree with both, and believe that an option does not subtract anything to anyone, you included.

robtek 12-27-2010 03:12 PM
There is only minimal training needed to learn the procedures for successful bombing runs.
But then, most fighterpilots fly by the seat of their pants and only care fore the most essential procedures like take off and sometimes landing. :-D :-D :-D

ElAurens 12-27-2010 03:48 PM
Stop being condecending robtek.

There is nothing realistic about this approach to bomb fusing and DT has provided no info to the contrary. It was one person, or group of persons decision on what they felt was better. Not more historic, not better for the sim in general, just a method picked out of a hat to change something just because they could, to suit their personal vision of what the sim should be like.

Scalability has always been the hallmark of IL2, but I see now that the sim will be pushed into an even smaller niche of uber difficulty for the sake of it.

Good luck with that.

BadAim 12-27-2010 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by W32Blaster (Post 207243)
It has been done to get a more realistic fusing.
This has been done with the possible features in the game.
Since there is no such thing like a seperate fuse within the bomb IN GAME it has to be determined with the bomb object interacting with other in game objects (instead of a fuse object which simply isn´t there).

Despite the correctness when compared to real bombs it is an improvement.

You never mind really dying when being shot down. This feature also is a lack of realism, like the not real complex fusing of the bombs in game. ;-)

There always will be constraints in implementing features when one considers
- game engine features
- amount of work
- schedule


And there is IMHO no necessity to make this an option. If you cannot cope with the feature, take an hour or two and practise how it´s done.
This is not a game for Johnny Joystick, you won´t succeed in Dogfight without practise, why should you succeed in bombing then?



just my 2ct!
It's amazing to me that it took so long for someone to realize that there are limits to what can be done within the game engine. Congratulations Blaster!

I'd only add out that the accusations that DT have some agenda other than to make the game more realistic are ludicrous, why not just take it at face value?

TheGrunch 12-27-2010 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BadAim (Post 207289)
It's amazing to me that it took so long for someone to realize that there are limits to what can be done within the game engine.
Probably because DT have the entire source code of the game, so it's not a feature that is in any way out of their reach? There are some things which are very difficult to achieve, but I'm pretty sure that starting and stopping the running of a timer based upon the interactions of an object in the game is not one of them.

moilami 12-27-2010 04:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by robtek (Post 207284)
There is only minimal training needed to learn the procedures for successful bombing runs.
But then, most fighterpilots fly by the seat of their pants and only care fore the most essential procedures like take off and sometimes landing. :-D :-D :-D
Rofl Yappers can't even do takeoffs and especially landings right :lol:


Edit: The word "Yapper" refers to typical fighter pilot. I can only imagine how a voice echoes in their head "ME MUST SHOOT STUFF NOW ME GO NOW ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME MY STATS MY STATS ME ME ME ME ME ME ME MY STATS ME ME ME ME". They know nothing of team work and imagine air warfare is like in some µ$ Aces High or whatever shitty sim where they can shoot in ez mode 10 - 20 planes down each mission and feel they are aces.

robtek 12-27-2010 04:27 PM
@ElAurens
Me? condescending?
Man, you have a chip on your shoulder the size of Manhattan :-)
I stated that it takes minimal, additional training to cope with that delay.
I really don't understand the reason for you, to get so agitated about something so minor.

Aracno 12-27-2010 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ElAurens (Post 207287)
Stop being condecending robtek.

There is nothing realistic about this approach to bomb fusing and DT has provided no info to the contrary. It was one person, or group of persons decision on what they felt was better. Not more historic, not better for the sim in general, just a method picked out of a hat to change something just because they could, to suit their personal vision of what the sim should be like.

Scalability has always been the hallmark of IL2, but I see now that the sim will be pushed into an even smaller niche of uber difficulty for the sake of it.

Good luck with that.
Why are you so pissed?
Why so catastrofic?
The game will finish for a difference of few second or few meter in skip bombing?
No one of TD sayd "you are totally wrong, we have the only true", probably both the solution, the old and the new, are not perfect, but be sure, the guys did it with good intention, for sure not against you.
I think that now FEEL more realistic, but i will not cry if the group may decide to go back to the stock feature and i will not exult if remain as it is now.


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