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The other, Foobar, seems to have used an old patch thread to voice his displeasure about how unbelievably long the wait for the patch has been, without realising that the natural effect for many would be to assume that the patch was out.

Quite, who could have realised that posting in an old thread would have moved it to the top of the list, it's not like patch threads have been bumped before......were just lucky to have some brand new members who know how to start brand new threads to voice their displeasure.

yeah, funny 'bout that

anyways, the mods have acted as they saw correct and any discussion really is only waffle and wash up.

Are we any luckier to have two old members ready to assume guilt in the face of doubt?

Again, this is not about knowing it will bump the thread to the top of the list. This is about how reasonable foreseeable it is that people would actually mistake the thread for the new patch and download and install it (not having done their due diligence of course). Particularly as that poster didn't make the same mistake.

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider (Post 416406)

anyways, the mods have acted as they saw correct and any discussion really is only waffle and wash up.

Then why point it out? Don't participate if you feel that way. I don't feel I am 'waffling'.

Besides, the mods acted only in the case of Foobar.

well, on the 'net, as we all know, anyone can be anything they want or say anything they... and some people can be very deceiving, whilst others who seem convinced can be sucked right in. (identifying deception is very difficult without physical eye to eye contact)

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider (Post 416411)

Lucky I have you, a much vaunted member of the community to help me out. Your ignorance, trolling record and thinly veiled contempt notwithstanding of course.

The fact stands. Pencon contacted me by PM in confusion, and I do not believe he acted to intentionally mislead. You have even less to judge deceit on.

Wolf Rider said:

>>identifying deception is very difficult without physical eye to eye contact<<

Absolutely true. Well said. I couldn't have put it any better myself.

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Originally Posted by Falstaff (Post 416415)

Wolf Rider said:

>>identifying deception is very difficult without physical eye to eye contact<<

Absolutely true. Well said. I couldn't have put it any better myself.

So what would be your opinion on judging deception without the full information?

Ultimately your overly positive endorsement says only one thing, and that is that you believe Wolf Riders judgment of deception in this case is better than mine.

What you avoid addressing by that, of course, is how you can possibly know that. And since, of course, you cannot know it, you are merely saying that Wolf Rider's opinion matches your own and avoiding any talk of justification.

If you are going to imply you know better than I do whether pencon is lying, you might as well say so and say why.

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Originally Posted by Ataros (Post 416358)

It feels so good to blame and punish others for your own decisions like upgrading a PC, purchasing CloD or downloading spyware from internet. Blaming others implies that they are bad guys but I am a much better guy compared to them. This is why it feels so good. E.g. dictators like Stalin or Hitler usually blamed and executed their generals for their own mistakes.

It is much more painful to take responsibility for a mistake and admit to yourself: "I can not pay attention when needed. I can not control my anxiety. I can not clearly think when excited. I need someone else like forum members or admins to tell me what to do because I can not make responsible decisions myself. I am not a grown up man yet."

No one can "get" you to purchase a game, upgrade a PC or download a file from internet. It is always you who make a bad decision unless you have a gun pointed at your head when you make it. Children do not make their own decisions of cause as adults make them for them. Then most of children grow up and learn to take responsibility.

I once heard an interview with a burglar in which he rejected all responsibility for his actions because his victim had inadvertently left a window open. In the burglar's mind this absolved him of any blame - after all if the victim did not want to be burgled why did he leave a window open?

Your argument strikes me as uncomfortably similar - and equally wrong.

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Originally Posted by kendo65 (Post 416417)

Lol still doing well if the burglar isn't falling under a stack of newspapers and suing for negligence :grin:

irR4tiOn4L said:

>>So what would be your opinion on judging deception without the full information? <<

I would say we should all love eachother and be grateful that we have two pillars of the community acting in guardian-like fashion, in Wolf Rider and Bongo.

It would not do to have people randomly jumping to any conclusion that suits them, and I am sure those two fine gentleman would not lower themselves, having spotless records as they do.

(I wonder whether you have read any of my earlier posts perhaps? They may be older and mis-guided, but they have a certain charm for a young naif)