Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II (Post 337812)

Had the Germans not been humiliated like they were after WW1, their morale wouldn't have been so down (let's not forget that in the 20s German industry was back with its pre-war glory), their economy wouldn't have been crippled, so they wouldn't have needed a political and military revenge

Originally Posted by SEE (Post 337813)

Europe is bound together for the better! Germans are fine, as are Italians, Brits, Russians, the whole lot. Sad to see some of the comments TBH.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II (Post 337837)

Hitler was extremely short tempered, had he arranged things better, making sure that a suitable invasion flottilla was ready, he would have steamrolled his way all the way up North.. Let's not forget how much they advanced in Russia and how close they got to Moscow, do you really think that, had they really wanted to invade Britain, the Channel or the Royal Navy would have stopped them?

Originally Posted by robtek (Post 341320)

What agenda are you driving Triggaaar???

Originally Posted by Triggaaar (Post 341316)

Are you a modern day Nazi? (I'm not even being tongue in cheek)

Yes you can argue that the treaty wasn't fair, but WW1 itself was hardly fair was it - millions of people (on all sides) died, so it's understandable that nice and cute fairness has been lost. To then use an unfair treaty as an excuse for the mass genocide in WWII is laughable. We can look at the treaty to see why Germany went to war, but if you think that economic hardship excuses the slaughter of millions of people you need help.

Originally Posted by kendo65 (Post 341328)

You're unfortunately a little late to the party Triggaaar.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II (Post 341324)

Thank you so much for your intelligent and accurate analysis.

Originally Posted by bongodriver (Post 337768)

So Germany invading the rest of europe was not an act of war?

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II (Post 337778)

Bongo, the Treaty of Versailles is considered THE long term cause of WW2, the impositions were just ridiculous (mostly imposed by France)

Originally Posted by bongodriver (Post 337784)

Considered by whom? the Germans.......

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II (Post 337792)

the German empire had a long, glorious heritage, and the German pride was a transversal feeling that put together the peasant with the noble. The humiliation and the impossible economic demands of Versailles were a provocative humiliation.

Originally Posted by Triggaaar (Post 341339)

I must be american ;)
Yes it must get better - only read the first dozen pages.

You're welcome.
I find your ealier posts shocking:



Germany went to war and killed millions on innocent people, including genocide, and in your posts you don't blame Germany, you blame the Treaty of Versailles (and I'm aware that other nations have waged war over the years too, but here we're just discussing WW1 & 2).

I can't get my head round that. Justilfying or defending what happened led to me thinking of you as a modern day Nazi.

It's one thing to say that looking back you can see how the treaty was so restrictive that Germany would become unstable, but to actually say that the cause of the war was the treaty rather than evil people is ridiculous, and if people were taught that at school you can see how it could lead to radical movement.