So the game was hacked before and no one blinked an eye on the forums? Even when it was a dvd hack?

well of course no one blinked an eye. This didn't effect their on-line play !!! :)

seems some hacks are more equal then others...

Ya, I had feeling that was it Jg52. Some people believe it is better to try to get a thread locked then admit when they are wrong huh?

Too bad they have this immature attitude. I have actually been learning quite a lot about something I wasn't aware whatsoever buddy which is the not approved/approved dvd/hack. :)

It is a very interesting subject...

I just leave my DVD in one of my 3 drive's.....when I get a chance to fly, I'm always ready......I don't think many loyal fans got that hack....I am a proud member of the Anti-hack Pilots Association http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...l/mockface.gif

I wish I had known of it before. I had a cd of pacific fighters in my cd drive constantly and it would always spin up at high speed with the start of my computer. One day the cd drive just decided it was time to totally eat up my Pacific Fighters cd! :(

Don't you believe it.

I find this discussion about the no cd/dvd very interesting; as I have 1946 updated to 4.08m and have never had to have the disk in the drive since day one.

I have heard that the North American released DVD does not require you to insert it for play

That would explain it.

That is faulty logic... and has nothing to do with the hacking that produced the mods... First off my copy of 46 had no securom on it... and it was quite offficial.. I cant speak for anyone else.. but I paid for my copy of 46... Pe-2, PF,AEP and FB.. and IL2 as well for that matter... not only that, I have bought multiple copies of IL2, FB, The GOLD pack and 46 to get others interested in the sim.. so I have no problems with using a No DVD/CD file on the sims that I paid for.

Regardless to what you or anyone else may say.. the no DVD/CD is still not something that would give an unfair advantage to someone over someone who does not have it... and also the whole "Well what about the guys with killer rigs vs Mr. Blo with his bargain basement rig" argument is also another debate and has absolutely nothing to do with the hacking of the sim.

Two totally different things. You all know my feelings on the whole deal so I wont even bother going there.. but that argument is just erroneous and hold absolutely no water whatsoever.

Evengy... I suggest you just lock this thread because this back and forth stuff is going to go on until you do between the most prolific posters in this thread.. There will be no resolution , no one will back down or change their tune and no one will agree to disagree.. they will jjust go back and forth and back and forth until you consider slashing your wrists to make it stop.

Well we will agree to disagree BC.I posted that as it is relevant to all the 'illegal hacking' arguments that a lot of people are going on about.Nothing to do with cheating.
If cracking the code is 'illegal',then so is using an unofficial no dvd hack.
As Stalkervision said above,some hacks seem more acceptable than others.
If Evgeny wants to lock the thread then he should do so. Some of the things talked about here are obviously uncomfortable to some people.
You will see that non of my posts are abusive,as some others posting here have been, but sometimes some of the misconceptions posted here should be answered.
Is it better to adopt the 'head in the sand' approach that now prevails at the ubi forum and pretend its not happening.

Very well said BC.

... locking thread will make no difference IMHO , discussion will just be moved to another place ( as where here from Zoo ), and Evgeny has proved himself as moderator so any suggestions to him regarding managing threads i find at least pointless...

Z

Two different things....The sim did not have to be hacked.. the code did not have to be cracked to make the no CD/DVD file...

How wrong you are,
the position at UBI is the same as it is at SimHQ due to the fact that the members at both forums seem to be incapable of discussing this subject in an adult manner. This very thread is proof of that.
How sad that you blame UBI for other peoples actions , Had people acted responsibly than discussing the hack would still be on the table at UBI.

... yea right.... like thread in mission building ... "my dream about ..." it has been deleted ( not locked ... deleted) and there was no flaming not even arguing ... nothing.

So please don't try to justify moderators witch-hunt on mod mentions down at Ubi -Zoo ....'cos nobody is buying it

And if you Ubi moderators want to do your job properly you would delete /edit just insulting posts and not whole threads.... but that would took too much of your time which you spending ...here .

Zo with all respect... you don't know who sees what at UBI and making blanket statements like that don't help..... and Uther... head in the sand approach? LMAO... Boy.. that sounds so familiar to me... the guy who got creamed for trying to NOT do the head in the sand thing....

Look guys.... this isnt UBI.. so if you guys habve beefs with what we do over @ UBI then either PM us over there or open a thread.... over there.. I won't lock it or remove it.. unless of course you start making blanket statements or start to insult all the mods.... but this is not UBI.. and it isn't right to keep this going over here.

Bearcat I actually respect you more than any of the other moderators at the ubi forum,as you are the only one who has publicly posted and tried to heal the rift in the il2 community.Look what happened with that.
You are a member of that 'other' forum,and seem to like some of the stuff being done there.
Another ubi moderator is a member of that forum and actually a financial supporter.Good for him.
Other people are probably members under different names.We all have one thing in common here,and thats a love of the best combat flight sim ever made.
There is a blanket ban on even whispering about the mod/hack at ubi,so there can be no discussion in any way.Even the vaguest hint gets a ban (ask Fabianfred).
I don't have a 'beef' with what you do over at the ubi forum. As the moderators there you can do what you like.Theres no point in starting a thread about it there as,even if BC doesn't delete/lock it,then one of the other mods will.
As you said,this is not the ubi forum,and discussion should be allowed until Evgeny decides otherwise.Thats what a forum is for.

fabianfred got banned from Zoo for this "great insult":

"it WILL have the new Slovakia map....plus about 300 new objects (from that map)

maybe one a/c

...but the slovakia map will be the best we've ever had...and probably the best we will ever get......officially that is"

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...3/m/4101061716


so bearcat i know what i'm saying here....

Wow, does seem like a over reaction of the mod that banned him

just a touch. anyone could've made that comment, mod user or not. if people get banned for such a minor mention then surely it would be fair if anyone mentioning it, positive or negative, gets the same treatment...

Yes I saw that .... and I know of what you speak.. however it is this

That I took issue with... statements like that should always be qualified with a "Some" or "a few" but not a blanket... thats all I am saying. While I have my opinions about the particular case in question.... in truth some of the people in this thread brough such draconian measures upon themselves because they just couldn't even talk without hurling insults back and forth or they had to just keep the same bullheaded dialog going thereby removing any chance of any real dialog..

Well maybe all the ubi moderators could 'get on the same page' so to speak,as at stands now nobody quite knows what is allowed there and what will result in a ban.One moderator will allow something,the next one who comes along will dish out a ban /thread deletion /thread lock.Surely you must have some sort of moderators forum there where you discuss what you will and will not allow.

I'm just curious, is there anyone who "moderate" the moderators at the Zoo?

some kind of supervisor or something ...

Ubi community manager at a guess.

Don't know why,but I always thought the mysterious Steve_V was the boss.He just used to breeze in,ban someone for asking/talking about the official ubi no cd file,and disappear back into the night like the masked avenger.
Although,since the official no cd file was officially 'outed' by the other ubi moderators a couple of weeks ago,he seems to be strangely absent.

We are on the same page.... it is just that we are also individuals.. and sometimes things are not as clear cut & dry to one as it may be to another.. but make no mistake we are on the same page as far as what goes on on that forum.. because we all have to come out with our broom and mop to clean up each mess that gets made over there... I may not agree with everything another mod does.. and they may not always agree with me.. but I for one will never override a decision made by another mod.. even if I do not agree with it... None of us are perfect.. but we all do have this sim at the core of what we do, why we do it and how we do it...

...well, maybe some of the gentlemen ubi moderators will come up and tell us ...

Well Bear, you are lucky. My European version of 1946 has some sort of Securom or something. I have to have the DVD in to play. And online, when my comp looks for the DVD, that small second or fraction of has cost me more than once a virtual life. I was happy to find out about the no-DVD hack, crack, wack, or what ever you want to call it.



DerAlte

It is very easy b%ch and moan about evil moderators at UBI... but before you do that, take a close look at the mirror and ask yourself a question... would I be able to deal with this BS on daily bases. Nuff playing victims... it is what it is... dont like the mods, complain to community management and have them removed. That simple. Oh wait... we don't have community management on our forgotten forums... but hey, you can always try ;)

I love both the 1C & Ubi forums, and enjoy the stimulating conversation with all of you :)

K2

Is power addiction really so strong that if dealing with BS on daily bases gives you problems ... you can't just step down ....

and yes it is obvious that there is no community management ....

Power addiction... LOL

Well, i did step down, so maybe i`ll be lucky and get on your "Good people" list ;)

You're already on mine ;)

Why did you step down as Mod m8, if you don't mind me asking?

Lets just say... I have many things going in my life now and i simply don`t have as much free time as i use to. Moderating requires significant time... which i dont have.

ups.... my deepest apology than .... and you are very welcome to come, see and judge by yourself what we are doing over there .

I'm sorry to here that m8. Hope things will clam down for you soon though:cool:

Well good luck to you Ivan,at least you don't have to toe the official ubi party line now.

I can't speak for Ivan....but his feelings on the hacks are well known....don't expect a change of heart from him, he has much respect for Oleg

Maybe Ivan won't be so crazy now.. :) Now we'll have to call him "Non-Crazy Ivan"

Rumor has it, that Evgeny hand picked Ivan to play the bad cop role, in a dynamic duo mod team on these boards

Ivan did a good job on the ubi boards,but I doubt Evgeny needs any help here.He seems to have things under control.

No its true....Oleg gave the order......Get stalker! lol http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...Ball/blink.gif

you been sniffing to much glue it seems. are you now claiming there is increased sales of 1946 because some bored 12 yo with a hex editor vandalized the il2 code and spread it all over the net ?

keep your eye on the ball here, call a friend if you have any trouble understanding these simple facts:

- hacking the il2 code is against oleg will and is damaging to his company, so it is theft
- the whole file hack issue is diverting resources from the work on BoB, adding delays to the BoB release
- using the hacked files online is to get an unfair advantage, so it is cheating
- the open access to hacked il2 files is reducing il2 sales, so it is stealing money from oleg when he needs it the most to develop BoB

and nobody has any control over what happened once the files were hacked and the information released. anybody can now edit their own flight models and create Frankenstein planes, so quit the girly whining as if there is some great improvement around the corner for il2 where hackers with flowers in their hair are going to work for the greater good of the il2 community.

and anybody that is promoting the use of il2 hacks, like here in this forum, is directly and deliberately undermining Oleg and insulting him. Oleg is the one person that with a lot of hard work, blood sweat and tears, has given us the best ww2 aviation sim ever produced. is this your way of thanking him ? is there something in your warped little mind that can actually twist things around so much you believe that ?

anybody here think they can do any better designing a ww2 sim ? well let them start their own game from scratch and see how far they get. lets see how far you get with your little hex editor then.

people that have any real skills and wants to contribute to il2/BoB can do so in an organized and official way, like Foobar is doing in the german forum with his great trains and new houses for BoB, or like the people that made the new slovakia map for 4.09.

actually Ivan and I are related. He is from the crazier side of the family but our side is pretty crazy also.. :)

Just because Oleg is opposed to something..it doesn't follow that it is theft - how can it be when nothing has been stolen? Use of any of the Mods requires a legitimately purchased copy of IL2 1946, anyone utilising the mods has already benefited Oleg by purchasing his game...How is it damaging his company? Most people that consider purchasing the game will know nothing about any potential Mods (particularly as no mention of them is currently allowed at the Official Forum) and any that do will consider it completely normal - every single other combat flight simulation in existance has an active modding community.

It has already been categorically stated that there will be no further encryption added to the game and that no resources are being diverted away from the development of BOB-SOW

Cheating Online is nothing to do with the existance of community created third party mods, that have been designed to add new features and enhanced immersion to the IL2 game, it has everything to do with Onliners that will do anything to gain an advantage in a stat-driven "win at all costs" environment. Cheating and gamesmanship has existed long before the release of the Sound Mod.

How is it reducing sales? IL2 1946 is pretty much over from a sales point of view...when did anyone last see a copy in the stores...much less see one being bought? And besides do you seriously believe that someone who doesn't currently own IL2 but is going to will think..."I'd better not purchase this game, there are un-official community created Mods in circulation"

JB you really are adopting the old "it wasn't me" tactic to try and deflect from the FACT that the HACK is illegal use of a encrypted code, which is the INTELLECTUAL property of 1c/Maddox.

You are using feigned ignorance of copyright legislation to justify the cheats and hackers position.

The fact is, that it is illegal, it is wrong, and there can be NO justification for it - period.

Keep going through the hoops in your head and maybe, just maybe, even you may eventually believe your own bullshitting smokescreen.

I can't be bothered to repeat it all over again...but if you go back to the beginning of this thread...there is extensive discussion of the EULA breach and a conclusion...even by the "anti-mod" camp that it probably isn't illegal.

More bs.....

Did you even read what I was refering to?

This is a quote from Carguy - who has argued at length and with considerable passion against the Sound Mod

Should we really be allowed to say that on a public forum?

...

Well look amongst the dross and there are some interesting misconceptions being put right.

Seems odd to me that your moral indignation meter gets pegged by a word, but not by the illegal and immoral hacking of the sim.

It's fun to watch you twist yourself into a knot though...

Carry on.

Where's the popcorn? Nevermind, I watched this movie too many times already.

Shall i translate....oh yes...in actuality you mean...you don't like it

There is nothing illegal about modding and as for immoral...i'll save my indignatation for something which actually hurts or offends other people.

You're a funny guy ;)


dance little doggy dance...roflmao

Maybe its my English, but I haven't the faintest idea what you mean or are refering to...
Would it be too much for people to keep this debate somewhat above the level of the playground?

If Intellectual property can be shared, does that apply to our women? lol

No problem, just "borrow" any intellectual creation from jason (if he has any, I doubt it) and claim credit. Make sure he can`t prove his title. He shouldn`t be worried one bit as he doesn`t mind at all.

You know carguy, Oleg Maddox's qoute you have there, just refers to the "Online community". I think he once said that 90 to 95% of the people who use the game are offliners.

BTW, those servers who use the "Mod" are well populated and are much better than the standard "I am a Hero who flys a LA-7, Spit 25, Wonder Woman (tm) server", which BTW is about 90% of all servers out there.

Maybe some of you should really "READ" his quote. Online Community is not everything.

Just my 2 cents.

DerAlte

That could be true for 2001... but 6 years later where everybody and his brother has broadband connections... I dont think that percentage is still the same :D

Yes there is, if the software in question was not intended to be open source by it's maker, which is the case with the IL2 series.

Remember, the "mods" as you call them, are only possible because the encrypted SFS files, which were never meant to be decompiled except by Maddox Games, or their agents, were hacked open using an illegal and unsanctioned device. This is irrefutable.

The IL2 series was never intended to be user modifyable. END OF STORY.

Are you so thick headed that you cannot understand this?

Man was not built for and was never suppose to FLY.... what happened ?

Yvan little bit of lockon with me ? :)

GOZR, that's a spurious argument and you know it.

Thick headed? The bottom line is like it or not the deed is done.. get over it and move on.... because all the dialog in opposition will do nothing to change the facts... and not only that it won't even slow it down... so IMO the best bet is to first make up your mind whether or not this is for you... if it is then get it and have at it ... if it isn't then GET OVER IT and fly how you want to ... either way the guys that hacked the SFS files HAVE DONE IT... and the guys that are making mods with that will not stop and the ONLY ONES WHO CAN DO ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT IT THAT WILL HAVE ANY REAL IMPACT is Oleg & 1C... and if they choose for whatever reason to NOT do anything at this time then it is all a moot issue .. so all this BS back and forth agida inducing, NONSENSE.. and that is what it is if for no other reason that it does absolutely NOTHING to change ANYTHING and is just a waste of bandwidth.

Everyone needs to get with those FACTS..... and the only thing that will make any of this BS banter meaningful in one way or another is a response from Oleg & 1C .... or the lack thereof. Period.

I understand the passion that so many feel for this sim.... and I share it... it has become much, much, MUCH more than just something I "play" on my PC to me. It has changed my life... which I never thought a simple piece of software could do.... I have made acquaintances from all over the world.. learned more about ballistics, aeronautics, history, aircraft, graphic design, web building, physics,politics,chemistry, and even myself than I ever thought I would have 7 years ago this very day from a "game"... so when I say STFU and get over it.... MOVE ON TO THE NEXT LEVEL... I say it with all sincerity and from the heart.. and from a position of someone who cares just as much about this sim as anyone else here save those whose labor produced it.

I am not intentionally being flip or disrespectful... but THAT is what all of you who keep this going on both sides need to do. For the CON modders... if all your posts, and rants, and quotes and legal mumbo jumbo could actually change anything it would be at the least a worthy effort.. but it cant.. it changes NOTHING... NOTHING.... For the PRO modders... if all your defensive, smack talking brohuha bolstered your position from a basic standpoint of the FACTS of the intitial process that gave us the means to mod in the first place did anything to change the facts.. great... but it doesn't. The truth is that Oleg never wanted, intended, or approved of the hacking of the sim that he and 1C developed... that's a fact.. and you can talk about no cd files and all that BS if you want to but those are the facts.... THE FACTS folks, like it or not.........

However the biggest singular fact that both sides overlook at every turn in order to continue spout their own point of view is, I say again ...that THE DEED IS DONE.. and no amount of arguments, justification, defense, accusation or whatever will change that.. not only that the ONLY THING that will rectify it and that will restore the previous stauts quo is direct input from Oleg and/or 1C and that only temporarily... let's be real here.. The fact that it lasted this long is a testament and a very outstanding one I might add to the work Of OM & 1C...

Let's face it .. people have wanted to hack this sim since it came out.... in 01.. but they couldn't.. and it took this long to bring this sim to the level of it's contemporaries, it's lessors if you will, by making it moddable. But that is the only way that it has been brought to the level of it's "contemporaries". It is still hands down the the ABSOLUTE BEST WWII combat sim available for commercial use.... inspite of the FACT that it is now hacked.

That is a testament to the genius of it's creators.

Nothing else but direct input from Oleg and/or 1C will do to alleviate this issue "officially" .. and if that is NOT forthcoming, again for whatever reason ... then you all need to just shut up and move on in your chosen path, either for or against and act accordingly, but you need to stop cluttering up cyberspace with this BS back and forth dissonance that will not change. I have said from the beginning and will continue to say that we as a flight sim community need to move beyond the current state because it is past us.... The moment to "do something" is gone. What we are doing now is like sitting around pointing fingers after the cow has left the barn... LONG after the fact... instead of either trying to round up the cows we can find or figure out how to make up the shortfall if any of milk and cream..

I know it may be anathema to do so for many in both parties but you all need to move from who did what to what when .. to how will We as a community of folks, who are so passionate about our positions in the first place because of the sim deal with things as they are NOW... TODAY for better or worse in this, the community of the best the ABSOLUTE BEST WWII combat Flight Simulator BAR NONE to hit the market to date. Many of you folks on both sides are so adamant about your positions and so vehement to the opposition because of the same thing... your passion for the sim. This has gone beyond trying to "understand the other guy"... What you all should be thinking about is ... where will this community be -because it wont die on the day that SoW:BoB is released- 16 months from now... and act accordingly. If you don't want this community to go the way of every other sim community that has "benifitted" from becoming moddable, either through legit or non legit means, then you all better get on the d@mn wagon and try to figure out how to deal with the fact as they are... as they are not as they were, not as you would like them to be, but as they are.

Those facts are that the sim had been hacked... and mods are coming out.... it is up to US what this community becomes... us and Oleg & 1C. Arguing and pointing finger will do absolutely NOTHING.

For the time being and for whatever reason Oleg & 1C aren't talking..... so what will the community do? Sure you cant "legislate" morality.. but we as a community can try to set a tone for what we as a community will or will not tolerate in online venues.

ElAurens I'm just trying to add sunshine to dark posts :)
Anyway the only good solution is to have this kind of little punk buster like for host side or maybe .. maybe something has been worked on 4.09m...

Agreed, UBI and 1C have failed in maintaining their program integrity with online play. PunkBuster has been around for years and yet even the "=2 solution" isn't implemented openly in game. UBI have been around long enough to know about online gaming and yet they cant lock this game down?

I still dont know what all the commotion is about though. 1C and UBI are dropping IL2. Period. Doing so means that the product has passed it's sales cycle. Kaput, Finito, THE END. "The King is dead, Long live the King!" It is now with the wolves. And there are so many hungry wolves baying for more. Just glance the forums to see.

But if UBI/1C were to say they were implementing punkbusters and were releasing development tools for offline gaming for IL2. I wonder what would happen then?

The glass is half full.

Sorry BC...but there is no "WE" dont try to gather "US" under your flags... This is your point of view ;) Your wrote a lot and i got lost somewhere in the middle... LOL

Facts still remain... The sim was hacked... and many of community members embraced that fact, including you and quiet a few others... Community shot itself in the foot... and i`ll tell you more... After being shot down by an I-16 armed with 4 MK108s on the well known server, i STRONGLY doubt that i will ever appear on the DF servers again (like anyone cares). I dont know who did more damage to MP... those who hacked the sim, or those who took over or those who embraced it. Funny thing is... i got majorly disapointed in soo many people in such short period of time. Hey, no biggie.. i`ll move on..

As far as RTS.DLL that many are tring to bring up - apples and oranges... this is publishers problem, has nothing to do with purity of the sim itself. Hack on the other hand... is everybodies problem. It is now that everyone is excited... give it some time :)

After the fact the UBI/1C have repeatedly said for eons that they are no longer supporting the game, how is the "community" shooting itself in the foot? UBI/1C have abandoned this game!

The "Community" is reacting to a need. Whether UBI/1C react or not, the "Community" will find its need. Whether right or wrong.

Oh, and if this were the case, I would have thought you would have posted POSITIVE proof to substantiate your claim...

Shot down by a I-16 with 4 mk108's, pfffft, that's just the normal I-16!!!!!

Right now there are alot of " the UFO's are out" BS, but no proof. What is the Zoo's favorite saying? GOT TRACK?

There has been for years REAL FM hacks, but everytime someone said something it almost ALWAYS was...... it is lag, learn to fly, it is the pilot not the machine.

Funny, some of the same people here and at the Zoo who were always screaming the above standard answers are now seeing hundreds of sightings on the net!!

I got it! If you shoot me down, you are hacking, if I can't shoot you down, you are hacking!!! Pleease people, give proof!

DerAlte

Good post BC.Everyone needs to move on and deal with it. And strangely enough I have actually not seen any 'strange' cheats online since this came out on the servers I play on.
Well except for the normal ones that you get on d/f servers that is.Surprised at you Ivan,wheres your proof?Wheres the track? Unsubstantiated claims are completely worthless and just stir things up.Or is that your intention?

I think it's just a plain issue of loyalty, for me certainly. I was educated in a school where fair play and respect were emphasised alongside ordinary learning, and stealing was considered a crime.

That was a long time ago, I'll grant you, but I still haven't grown inured to a code that says "it's your fault I stole your car, you left the keys in it."

(In this case it's more like "you left your car locked - but I just happen to carry a crow-bar")

I respect the official creator(s) of this sim for bringing the genre out of the totally-profit-oriented days of Warbirds & CFS. I respect the amount of unselfish, unprofitable work that's gone into patching and free add-ons over the years, and the unprecedented contact with the main man (at least until the sim-enthusiasts were replaced by a baying mob at the zoo). I respect the closed code that has guaranteed a relatively cheat-free game in the last 6 years of on-line competition. And a lot more.

But I can't respect all the "justification" that's coming from the modding camp. "It's only the sounds" or "the sim's dead anyway" or "this is about the hard-done-by offliners" and all the rest of the excuses . I'm still waiting for the modders' thread that asks all mod-users to pay a copyright fee. If the justifications are to be believed then I'm sure you would all be happy to dig deep and pay IC for providing the body of work that the mods depend on? I thought not.

The other night we were joined on TS by a long-time acquaintance who told us the real low-down - that the mods are sanctioned by Oleg, as part of his revenge on a certain aviation company. Wow, well that explained everything! Oleg is pissed, and this is his KGB-style plot to secretly cripple the US aviation industry and also sell more DVDs. Sadly, I think this guy is ready to believe it :( Weapons of Mass Destruction anybody?

Wait will I dig out my tin-hat and shovel. I don't give a tinker's cuss for the excuses and the get-reals or the let's get-on-with-it-now-that-it's-here (and therefore use it without a qualm) stuff. I just think it's polite to wait until the body is cold before going through the pockets - call me old-fashioned.

B

Ive used the sound mod & been online with it many times since I installed it late October/early November time and in that time ive seen not one instance of any unusual behaviour in an online server, nor have I been accused of cheating/hacking, ect.

To all the people who claim to have seen strange stuff happening in servers, post your proof here. It will give your argument alot more weight ;)

Yes Brando, strangely enough I was brought up to believe in right and wrong, honesty and respect too. I guess I must be old fashioned because I value these and the moral integrity that goes with them.

It seems nowadays that all those values mean nothing its all a part of the "want it, and I better get it now", generation of immature, spoilt, ungracious little AHs that blame everyone and everything for THEIR crimes, after all if they can't get what they want, and have to steal it surely it isn't their fault ? They were "FORCED" to break the law .......

The thought processes that some of the hackers are going through to justify their illegal acts are hilarious and give great insights into the twisted logic of those that have no moral integrity and will do mental somersaults to justify wrong-doing.

The entertainment value is high.... :D

Be interesting to see how many more will come into this thread with puffed up senses of outrage that anyone calls them hackers lol...

...when one thinks about what was legal during WW2 in Germany surely must realize that right/wrong doesn't always go hand in hand with legal. So crimes term isn't standing in context with right/wrong.

...and all name calling shows us how mature you really are . He,he ... no arguments leads to insults in your honestly and respect world .

So your basically saying the modders/hackers/whatever you want to call them stole the sim from oleg?

Abandoned? They officially said that IL-2 support has stopped? I guess current work on another FREE patch is an indication of that... what was i thinking...
Community will find its need... you speak for everyone too, i wonder what gives you that right...

And what is that going to change... are you naive or something? Why dont you ask hackers themselves about how easy to make such changes :D

Christ, why i keep coming back to this thread, it is truly pointless...

cos its FUN !

:)

I inderstand your position GOZR, although I don't agree.

As for punkbuster...

Go on any FPS forum and see how well it doesn't work. COD4, a game that is very very recent, is riddled with cheaters online using aimbots, wallhacks, etc... and punkbuster never catches it.

Bearcat, I understand you position as well, but cannot agree. I will not give up until and unless Oleg himself comes on these boards and says it's OK to have the sim hacked.

Comprende?


To those who question Crazy Ivan's credibility on seeing hacked aircraft, I can only say that there are few people that I trust more to give honest answers than him. Like I said, go register over at Warbirds of Prey and ask the administrators, they have tracks. My squadmates have seen various things online as well that are way outside any expected behavior, and I assure you they are some of the most trustworthy folks I have ever met.

The Hack is being used to cheat online, sorry if this fact doesn't fit in with your short sighted modder's agenda.

this thread shouldda been locked ages ago.

Wulf this argument is a classical one of the sophism: divide the world in evil and good and place yourself comfortably on the right side. Simple, primitive, basically faulty argumentary but still working in a lot of different situations.

My humble question still remains unanswered: does 1C/Oleg condemn mods ? (not online cheating, not haking, but honest mods).

I don't give a damn about all the eula or legal blabla until the game owners will take a formal position against mods.


Regards,
Insuber

Why? This is not the ubi forum,and so far it looks like free speech is allowed here.Some misconceptions that people had at the beginning of this thread have been disproved,such as the EULA nonsense,and the no cd/no dvd fiasco.If people can learn things from this thread,then there should be no problem.

OMG...u just dont get it, do u?

By posting garbage like this u just proved Brando and Wolf to be right on the money.

Couldnt agree more with them myselfe.


Right and wrong is only something to stride for if u get something out of it, right?


Do u people even think before u write, do u think beyond the 1 m hemisphere surrounding u, do u considering anything but your own needs...or do u listen to I-Pod and read a comic book at the same time u are forming your all knowing oppinions?

As I said in my other post, proof would give your argument much more weight, such as in pictures or videos.

Well, tha fact that u will get banned/threadh locked discussing any mods is a good indication...dont u think?


We are discussing the concept here....propably why it hasnt been locked allredy.

I said that many pages back, dunno what was said but it was not complimentary so now I only read and keep shtum

And "we" have to prove anything because..........?



"We" can present tons of evidance...wont make one bit of differance to the hackers.



And yes....even me who never think "cheat" when i play online have seen some pretty wierd stuff online lately, stuff that do not fall under the universal "lag" explenation.

I can post many tracks with no cheating on them,as I record EVERY online flight I make.
Please post your tracks with cheating on them as I would be very interested in seeing them.
Thanks.

what a pitiful dodge.....

Because at the moment you (''we'') are just making accusations with no proof to back it up whatsoever.


if you (''we'') have evidence of people cheating online because of the mod then by all means POST IT!!! Your right, it proberlly wont make a differance, but at least It will then proove that people are cheating through the use of the mod, which you (''we'') are trying to do.

Well said, everything in a nutshell.

If you need help in posting the tracks (links to file hosting services etc) please let us know.
Thanks

AAaaaaaw, u hurt my feelings.


LOL

So the "go to the Warbirds of Pray..they have tracks" havent sunk in yet, have it?

In case you haven't noticed, everything you're defending is hurting and offending other people. lol

Were not asking the Warbirds of Pray. Were asking for proof here.

It seems your trying to tip-toe around posting proof.

Baron:No not really.I thought you said you had proof of cheating? If so kindly provide 'your' proof of cheating tracks here,on this forum,so that 1C people can see it.Or are you telling them they have to go and register at some obscure website as well?
As I said,I can provide you with some file hosting links and instructions on how to post your 'proof of cheating tracks.

Found a few links to help you post your 'proof of cheating using the hack' tracks for 1C:

http://www.yourfilehost.com/
http://www.filefactory.com/
http://www.fileho.com/

There are others but they should do for a start. Not sure if ntrk or .trk is the format 1C prefer.

The reason a lot of us don't record unless its necessary is because it lags the online game. Unless myself and others have been wrong for years.