Indeed some really good info here. If I am correct in my interpretation, it would seem the Spit IIa conforms within the +/- 5% with regard to speed at alt. The 109 seems to be out of range regarding speed and falls short of its proper maximum limits at various altitudes.

Would that be a correct analogy? If so, I agree that having a correctly modeled a/c flying against ones that are currently not modeled correctly, inappropriate and unnecessary. Unnecessary because there are great virtual pilots among us who can fight extremely well with what planes they have available, be it at a disadvantage or not, and still come out with victory, or in a defeat, a hard fought battle that both victor and vanquished can say "good fight mate, white knuckle all the way".

I am looking forward to having the a/c fine tuned for performance. In the mean time, flying the 109, Spit variants and the Hurricane with a great bunch of people, I am still having fun and learning quite a bit about each a/c's pro's and con's.

Keep the info coming gents, I love reading and learning about these era fighters and the men who flew them.

Cheers

Whiskey

Auszüge aus Flugzeugdatenblatt Bf 109 E-1, E-3 nach L.Dv.556/3
http://www.rolfwolf.de/daten/E4/Emil.html

Official documentation for production 109Es is trash. Right, got you.

1.) V0 = 467 km/h
2.) V0 = 467 km/h Werte graphisch
3.) V0 = 467 km/h auf 0 m bezogen!
4.) V0 = 466 km/h

http://www.kurfurst.org/Performance_...MP16feb39.html

Strange that you would ignore other data on Barbi's site.

Here we go again...done and done and done to death

Please OP use the search function m8 your find all the info you need because as you can see this thread will now turn into a flame war on whos right and whos wrong

i just made another test with the E1.
i really focused that i stay in real level flight without loosing or gaining alt.
first test was at 3k:i stayed for ten minutes at 3k as close as i could get, only variying about +/-5meters in height.
the E1 reached its max speed at 440-445kph without WEP.

second test at 500m:again for ten minutes as close as possible in level flight.
max speed at 450-455kph

so that the E1 is faster at low alt which shouldnt be the case.

IAS to TAS.

top speeds are measured in TAS, are you going by the instruments in the cockpit, if so, you've got IAS

at SL IAS and TAS are roughly equal depending in atmospheric pressure, at 3K TAS will be higher than IAS.

PS, i love how all the Blues are going on about how the 109 is nerfed, don't see much mention of the spit1 and 1a from the same folks, despite them being even more nerfed, lol. Give the spit1a is proper prop, its a bob sim not battle of france.

See june 25 entry.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y29...conversion.gif

I am the original poster, and if you had read this thread carefully, you would have noticed I asked for factual, documented information regarding this issue for comparison, the search function did not provide such information (as stated before as well) just opinions and virtual simulation experiences. Now, this thread contains some great documentation to back up performance issues for all a/c within the game (from various sources).

I did not ask for a flame war, fact only backed up with information. A flame war would be beyond my control and request.

Whiskey

All this speeds are not max. speeds!

Those speeds are measured with 1.3 ata, Steig/Kampfleistung.

Max. speed is reached with 1.4 ata, Notleistung f. 1min. to get separation from a enemy.

Where are the measurements for the real max.speed when flying 460 at sea level and then starting to use WEP?

Also on the rolfwolf site it says: max. allowed horizontal velocity 485 km/h! Is that a joke?

yes i measure by the instruments, cause i dont know another way in this game.
well i only fly "blue" planes in this game, so i dont really know how to fly a spit or the hurri correctly, therefore the outcome wouldnt reflect the reality of the game.but why dont you do it by yourself and let us know the result.

btw i never stated that the other planes are modeled correctly.if you read my post on the last page, you would know that im of the opinion that all planes except the spitII are undermodeled.

i wasn't talking about you mate.

Don't know if its the same as in il2, cause i've never flown with cockpit off in Clod, but in the old il2 flying wonderwomen use to give you a TAS readout.

for the record i fly both sides evenly, cause i don't see the point in depriving myself half the game. never understood that mentality, but thats me.

dont know either because of the same reason.
Edit:
well i tried both sides in 1946, and began flying with spits.
i played with the spitIX 25lbs and became successful pretty fast...until someone said that this plane is a "noobplane" which is extremely overmodeled and a kill therefore is nothing to be proud of.
so i decided to try the "dark" side.i realised really fast that it was almost impossible to fight that plane in a g2, but although i got killed many many times, when i actually killed someone in this spit, the kill was really rewarding...so i stayed in the g2 whenever it was available and tried to learn the ropes of it.
i began to love this plane and the way you have to fight with it.

as cliffs of dover was released i expected accurate flightmodels and therefore really hard fights with those different planes of both sides, but supposedly pretty equally dangerous.so i decided to stay on the dark side and learn all the tactics which lead to success against the beautiful british planes.
unfortunately all the planes are undermodeled...except the spitII
and they arent undermodeled equally....the spitI is slower than the hurri which is really strange.