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MadBlaster 02-24-2011 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robtek (Post 228022)
Well, it will be not "to dump a product that don't have competition yeat" but to corner a possible market!
By the way, can you proof in any way that TIR is overpriced???
I mean with facts, not your fantasy.
And dont you try to compare with a mass-market webcam, apples and oranges!

Can you prove to me that NaturalPoint is a little itty bitty company? Show us their financial statements. AFAIK, they are privately held, so you won't be able to do that. So, I'm supposed to take your word for it they don't make much money for such a small company, when you at the same time question my morality for using Freetrack when it is perfectly legal to do so. At least this time you prefaced it with "maybe". So, "maybe" I'm making headway here.;)

robtek 02-24-2011 10:50 PM

Nice try, MB.
There was a calculation here in this thread, by swiss, i believe, that gave a plausible account of the possible money NP is making with TIR.
Thats at least 100% more than we've seen for the proof of greedyness!
And it isn't legal to use the NP software with FT, it only can't be prosecuted.
But keep on grasping for straws to keep your morality intact, if it is okay for you to bent legality when you don't have to fear prosecution, so be it.
Just don't tell everybody it is perfectly ok to do so.
Btw, i have to admit that i am no angel myself, but thats private and i dont advertise.

MadBlaster 02-24-2011 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robtek (Post 228051)
Nice try, MB.
There was a calculation here in this thread, by swiss, i believe, that gave a plausible account of the possible money NP is making with TIR.
Thats at least 100% more than we've seen for the proof of greedyness!
And it isn't legal to use the NP software with FT, it only can't be prosecuted.
But keep on grasping for straws to keep your morality intact, if it is okay for you to bent legality when you don't have to fear prosecution, so be it.
Just don't tell everybody it is perfectly ok to do so.
Btw, i have to admit that i am no angel myself, but thats private and i dont advertise.

Frankly, NP profit margin is irrelevant from my point of view. It is a simple make/buy decision where I do a differential cost/benefit analysis relative to my pocket book. That has nothing to do with NP profit margin and the reason I didn't jump into that conversation. The fact that adonys uses it in his purchasing decision is an example of exogenous factor in play. If he doesn't want to buy TrackIR because he feels NP profit margin is too high, well more power to him. If you feel NP is an itty bitty company that needs your donation to survive and it gives you feeling of moral superiority, well more power to you. These aren't economic rational reasons in my mind. But they do drive purchasing decisions. Now, if you want to buy TrackIR because you don't want to build one and you want customer support, that is rational imo. If you want to build Freetrack and save some money, that is also rational imo.

sigur_ros 02-25-2011 04:27 AM

Ilya Shevchenko @ 2:17

'It's very important for us to interface with all the new devices and of course we keep track of all them to make sure that they all work. And we take great pains to ensure that our users who fly our game can use ALL of the devices that they have. '

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xoz1Kb2wkPE

robtek 02-25-2011 04:58 AM

Sigur_ros, very good that you post that so late on page 59, its been one of the more lively discussions here :-D

MadBlaster, i admit i have too agree with your post, it is rational.
What brought me into this discussion were the irrational accusations by FT-users of mysterious agreements (NDA's) between the big, greedy NT company and not exactly mentioned, but shurely real, game-devs, to suppress the rights and the freedom of a little band of FT-users. :-D

sigur_ros 02-25-2011 05:25 AM

You mean like this?

'Implementation of the "HeadTracker" interface is canceled at the request of NaturalPoint.' http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=33510

MadBlaster 02-25-2011 05:47 AM

@robtek

Okay. Then I take back that your "irrational". You can keep the "I'm immoral". I've been living with that one for awhile anyway.:-P

@sigur_ros
Your timing is impeccable.:lol:

Wolf_Rider 02-25-2011 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sigur_ros (Post 228106)
You mean like this?

'Implementation of the "HeadTracker" interface is canceled at the request of NaturalPoint.' http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=33510

response to Lobi ...

" Or perhaps you'd like to make some money out of your efforts - I understand you don't.

See, people who want to earn money from their work tend to respect others who try to do the same - this is why companies respect NP's property.

Thread closed. "

LoBiSoMeM 02-25-2011 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider (Post 228154)
response to Lobi ...

" Or perhaps you'd like to make some money out of your efforts - I understand you don't.

See, people who want to earn money from their work tend to respect others who try to do the same - this is why companies respect NP's property.

Thread closed. "

Yes, the response of a crap company without guts. A company who sells the "first title" of "DCS", uses the same old engine of LOMAC, and goes trough two years to release the next module.

It's a big fail project. And it's really funny that you talk about DCS and not about BIS! LOL!

Look at ArmAII and O:A sales and compare with DCS series... BIS don't need the leftovers of NP, W-R...

As usual, pathetic. Put links to Freetrack fair discussion in BIS forums, loser!

LoBiSoMeM 02-25-2011 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sigur_ros (Post 228096)
Ilya Shevchenko @ 2:17

'It's very important for us to interface with all the new devices and of course we keep track of all them to make sure that they all work. And we take great pains to ensure that our users who fly our game can use ALL of the devices that they have. '

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xoz1Kb2wkPE

If Ilya said, I'll glad because I'll can use my PS3Eye and Freetrack to HT, because it's even not a "new" device.

Thank you!


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