Thank you for editing British with Allies....

Did not know that one. Actually, Göring seems to be most likeable Nazi character. He wasn't anti-semitic or dogmatic, a fatalist like Hitler, fanatic like Himmler or a ruthless b@stard like Heidrich, or as naive nationalist like Hess.. he seemed to have a view on things what we call in these parts "sober farmer's intellect', meaning seeing things just as they are. Gilbert comment is extremely naive as well - it may be that only the Congress had the right to declare war, but this didn't quite stop the President from de facto waging a war on the seas on his own initiative from the spring of 1941, or to drive the US into war with any possible means.

Good Grief.

I remember seeing something similar about the Nuremberg trials that the captors, prosecutors etc had trouble trying not to get caught up by his (Goering's) charm.

Apparently he was quite a likable person and had a great character. This is also probably the reason he ended up getting cyanide to kill himself, wasn't it the US guard that gave it to him after he became a bit chummy with Hermann?

I, actually, think a statement Göring was heard to utter when he was arrested does characterize him much better: "At least 12 years of decent life." ("Wenigstens 12 Jahre anständig gelebt.")

He was greedy, he was pompous, he was boasting, a coward and absolutley ruthless in pursuing his own ambitions. As such he fit into the shark pool that was Hitler's inner circle.

As has been said, idiots are everywhere, in every corner of this sad world.

It's not war-related, by I still remember some of the offenses directed at the italian soccer team and at italians in general, in the 2006 FIFA world cup, made by some german newspapers.
IIRC they were written by some german tabloids, a-la "The Sun" ("Bild" and "Der Spiegel" I seem to recall), but still...
Some of them were reported even by our newspapers, and caused quite a little bit of a "national case".

Same as that lame "Nur Italien nicht!" song. I wonder really how many find that crap funny tbh.
Chanting "It doesn't matter who will win the world cup, as long as it is not Italy", or "pushes, spits and insults: that's the italian soccer" is astonishing.

No nation is immune to idiots, be that Italy, Germany, Uk or whatever.

As we say here:
"The mother of the imbeciles is always pregnant"

Cheers
Rick

And presumably the 'facts' = what is taken to constitute 'objective reality' is to be determined by you with the rest of our opinions relegated to those of propaganda-besotted dupes.

You haven't addressed my criticism of this stance of yours - the so-called 'facts' that you keep marshalling in your arguments appear to most here as opinion and interpretation, of equal value as the perspectives of other posters but not inherently different in evidence or weight.

Once again your refusal to acknowledge this or reply with massive overwhelming evidence (that is not open to either counter-interpretation or that can be contradicted by other quotes, opinions or 'facts' from the other side) strikes me as a little arrogant.

Until you can deliver incontrovertible 'facts' and evidence and not just resort to constantly saying you are right you won't change opinions.

On the subject of resistance to thuggery and evil, as a resident of Northern Ireland I will say that resisting organised and violent paramilitary-style organisations is not something that is either easy to do or in most cases advisable.

Such people may constitute only a small percentage of the population but their level of organisation and willingness to inflict extreme violence on any challenge to their authority is enough to ensure that the masses learn quickly to keep alternative opinions to themselves.

Bold part marked for truth.

As for BILD (or BLÖD = STUPID, as many people call it) ... it's Germany's foremost example of Yellow Press. Many people read it but denounce it as bad and claim not to read it. I don't read any newspaper (except when I visit my home village as my parents have subscribed to a local paper) and can proudly state I have never bought a BLÖD and never will. I am actually appalled by this type of media, regardles off its name, makeup and whether it's a print media, online or TV. They're all despicable IMO.

Hi Thor,
same as me: I don't read any newspapers. It's been like this for maybe 2 years by now.
I don't even like football tbh, so I'm an atypical italian in the end.