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Robert 01-21-2011 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by zauii (Post 214887)


Keep that shiite off of my PC.

Wutz 01-21-2011 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert (Post 215002)
Keep that shiite off of my PC.

+1000 that is awful that vid.

zauii 01-21-2011 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert (Post 215002)
Keep that shiite off of my PC.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wutz (Post 215006)
+1000 that is awful that vid.


Whats wrong with it, U mad dawg? mkay.. :!: :cool: i'll keep em coming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBhOlbsEXLA

Another good one from Dark Blue World with less metal and more emotion.

Mad G 01-21-2011 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldschool61 (Post 214948)
Wow impressive. I think your trying to compensate for a small penis!!


Ah, ah, ah...not really bro, never had a complaint from the ladies, by the contrary!

I had a rig for 6 years with AGP with a Pentium4 3.4 GHz sockett 478 2GB DDR 3200 and a 7800 GS so it was time to a major update waiting for SOW:BOB/ Cliffs of Dover somewhere in the first quart of Century XXI and luckily it will be March/ April this year.

What I´ve read somewhere is that the basic config requirement is a i7 950, 8 gigs of RAM and a 1GB video card. So, lots of small dicks:mrgreen:

Cobra8472 01-21-2011 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by zauii (Post 215007)
Whats wrong with it?
U mad dawg.. mkay.. :!: :cool: i'll keep em coming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBhOlbsEXLA

Another good one from Dark Blue World with less metal and more emotion..


Ignore the haters, Sabaton is most excellent! :)

zauii 01-21-2011 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra8472 (Post 215010)
Ignore the haters, Sabaton is most excellent! :)

Yeah i like them as well :) , thanks mate :P

Mad G 01-21-2011 09:40 PM

Great movie ...but the darn Buchons and the Spits MK I scorting
B-17G´s...

booterboy 01-21-2011 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Triggaaar (Post 214986)
Ok, you're not having a dig, it's your honest opinion - no problem. But... what are you talking about? Are you talking about graphics on screenshots that are not at maximum settings? Whatever you're referring to, the graphics haven't been limited by the resources of the development team, they'll be limited by the capabilites of today's PCs. There's so much processing involved in a decent combat sim that the PCs will struggle. I think the graphics (when at the best settings) will be great, but when they hit the limit it will be due to PC power, not development resources.

Will have to wait for proper hd ingame vids on max settings to decide.
Its 2011,i know flight/gameplay will be great,just hoping gfx are up to scratch
to add to the immersion.just saying that if the dev team had a bigger budget/resources it could be the best looking combat/flight sim out there.
I know how much processing is involved but with quad core overclocked
processors and sli theres no excuse for poor fps/screen tearing etc.
anywho heres hoping for the best combat sim ever.

caprera 01-21-2011 10:22 PM

Is there a similar game in specs that i can compare via this site to check my pc ?

O_Smiladon 01-22-2011 01:11 AM

Just a question..Was there any beta done on this?

If not what bugs can we expect..if i remember rightly when IL2 came out it was full of them...

O_Smiladon

speculum jockey 01-22-2011 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by caprera (Post 215031)
Is there a similar game in specs that i can compare via this site to check my pc ?

Do you have a typical i5/AMD equivalent processor or better? Do you have a high-end video card made in the last 15 months or newer? Do you have 2GB or ram or more?

If you answered yes to all of these then you're probably going to be able to play COD at a typical gaming resolution 1200-1900 horizontal with most bells and whistles going.

Wait a week and hear from Ubisoft. They're never misleading when it comes to their system requirements (sarcasm). Better yet! Wait until someone has played it and they'll tell you.

Seriously. Wait a few days after it's out before dropping hundreds of dollars on a new system.

Triggaaar 01-22-2011 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by booterboy (Post 215030)
Its 2011,i know flight/gameplay will be great,just hoping gfx are up to scratch

I'm sure they will be. But you won't be able to fairly compare graphics from a combat sim with those of a basic flight sim for example.

Quote:

just saying that if the dev team had a bigger budget/resources it could be the best looking combat/flight sim out there.
I expect this will be the best looking combat sim out there as it is.

Quote:

I know how much processing is involved but with quad core overclocked processors and sli theres no excuse for poor fps/screen tearing etc.
I think you'll find that limits are due to the PCs we own, not due to the size or budget of the development team. Some of us may have OC'd i7s and SLi, but the game also has to run on lower spec'ed machines too, which puts a limit on what can be included. If you read through all the update threads you'll see where Oleg has given examples of limitations imposed by PC power, such as 3D craters.

Quote:

anywho heres hoping for the best combat sim ever.
Indeed. I have no doubts it will be.

caprera 01-22-2011 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by speculum jockey (Post 215086)
Do you have a typical i5/AMD equivalent processor or better? Do you have a high-end video card made in the last 15 months or newer? Do you have 2GB or ram or more?

If you answered yes to all of these then you're probably going to be able to play COD at a typical gaming resolution 1200-1900 horizontal with most bells and whistles going.

Wait a week and hear from Ubisoft. They're never misleading when it comes to their system requirements (sarcasm). Better yet! Wait until someone has played it and they'll tell you.

Seriously. Wait a few days after it's out before dropping hundreds of dollars on a new system.

Thanks pal, but i wasn't going to buy a new one anyway :D

About the questions i think it's a no, no, Yes. An Intel Quad 2.83 GHz, a GeForce GTX 260 and 4Gb of Corsair RAM should explain better...

Thanks again for the suggestion as well,' ill see.:-)

Buglord 01-22-2011 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaws2002 (Post 213650)
Now you can start on a list, and prepare refference for a bunch of gorgeous skins you'll do when you'll get your hands on the game.:mrgreen:
All the skinners will be bussy for a looooong, looooong time!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...umping0041.gif

You read my mind m8. :)

jcenzano 01-22-2011 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by caprera (Post 215105)
Thanks pal, but i wasn't going to buy a new one anyway :D

About the questions i think it's a no, no, Yes. An Intel Quad 2.83 GHz, a GeForce GTX 260 and 4Gb of Corsair RAM should explain better...

Thanks again for the suggestion as well,' ill see.:-)

i was reading this on my laptop and I run to the comp. room to see if you had stolen my computer. We have exactly the same rig lol

and I hope it is good enought to run CoD because there is no way I can upgrade/buy in the near future.

and I think the ansewrs should be almost,almost,yes ;)

sorak 01-22-2011 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by lbuchele (Post 214102)
Oleg is always telling us about how flexible and strong is the CoD engine.
I think the truly masterpiece is not the Battle of Britain itself,but what is under the hood,the engine.
My hope is in the future some third party decide to explore early jets not only in the fifties (korea) but in the sixties too (Israel and Vietnam)
It will be amazing to fight in a Mirage III,F4,F8 or Mig21 made in Oleg's standards with the inaccurate early missiles and radars.

I completely agree with you on this. Ive allways thought about having this sim explore more of the earlier jets. This would be awesome.

zakkandrachoff 01-22-2011 09:22 PM

in the video presentation, oleg an team miss put a pic whit a big raid, a secuence like this

http://content.luxology.com/gallery/...5beb759585.jpg

Tree_UK 01-22-2011 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by zakkandrachoff (Post 215389)
in the video presentation, oleg an team miss put a pic whit a big raid, a secuence like this

http://content.luxology.com/gallery/...5beb759585.jpg

Wow that looks fantastic, Ive not seen this before, when did Oleg give us this screenie?

Foo'bar 01-22-2011 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tree_UK (Post 215392)
Wow that looks fantastic, Ive not seen this before, when did Oleg give us this screenie?

You mean when will Oleg give us a screenie which is looking like that? ;)

It's all about the water surface imho.

zauii 01-22-2011 09:43 PM

I've not followed the discussion about the picture above, but it looks like concept art to me..

Hecke 01-22-2011 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Foo'bar (Post 215394)
It's all about the water surface imho.

+1

You have the relationship, so why don't you tell Oleg?

Sven 01-22-2011 09:58 PM

that art is from Wiek Luijken, he makes very good art about WW2, incredible stuff, google his name, youll find lots more, and his site of course.

personally, I can't wait to see this in Cliffs of Dover!:)

http://www.luijken.com/wp-content/up...1/vertigo2.jpg

zauii 01-22-2011 10:36 PM

Really beutiful art indeed.

Royraiden 01-22-2011 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zakkandrachoff (Post 215389)
in the video presentation, oleg an team miss put a pic whit a big raid, a secuence like this

http://content.luxology.com/gallery/...5beb759585.jpg

AMAZING!!!Is there any chance one could get posters from him?His work is awesome.

zakkandrachoff 01-22-2011 11:28 PM

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
not, not

you don't catch very well what i said (sorry, is because my horrible english)
i put that 3D Art concept because i want that scene in the video: a very fast scene that follow a spitfire engaging a very big raid of he111 since up and front. but it will be better over london i think.
and i want to see big columns of smoke

http://swingleydev.com/blog/wp-conte...blitz_1940.jpg

Royraiden 01-23-2011 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by zakkandrachoff (Post 215422)
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
not, not

you don't catch very well what i said (sorry, is because my horrible english)
i put that 3D Art concept because i want that scene in the video: a very fast scene that follow a spitfire engaging a very big raid of he111 since up and front. but it will be better over london i think.
and i want to see big columns of smoke

http://swingleydev.com/blog/wp-conte...blitz_1940.jpg

Im with you there, but this guy's art is amazing.

Polevka2010 01-23-2011 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by zakkandrachoff (Post 215389)
in the video presentation, oleg an team miss put a pic whit a big raid, a secuence like this

http://content.luxology.com/gallery/...5beb759585.jpg

If water in game was such, as on a photo...: (

Royraiden 01-23-2011 01:05 AM

It seems pretty good for me from the videos,specially the first.The lighting effects on the water seem really great.

major_setback 01-23-2011 01:12 AM

I like these of his:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...Xthe_beach.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12..._v006_0126.jpg

Foo'bar 01-23-2011 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Hecke (Post 215399)
+1

You have the relationship, so why don't you tell Oleg?

Hi Hecke, I'm pretty shure that Oleg doesn't need to be adviced how things have to look like. But sometimes there's a gap between what you want and what you can do (in technical matters).

We already know that most of Oleg's screenshots have been made with suburb settings, not even DX11 activated. I really think that we all will be very pleased once we see IL2COD in all its glory.

caprera 01-23-2011 10:33 AM

Sure we'll be.

If you're not happy look at it this way: at least now graphics are contemporary quality.

mazex 01-23-2011 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by zauii (Post 215397)
I've not followed the discussion about the picture above, but it looks like concept art to me..

But the fact that we look at a super detailed painting and have to think for some second before realizing that it's not an ingame screenshot from CoD tells me that we are beginning to get spoiled ;) I remember playing Fighter Pilot on my Spectrum in 1983 thinking it was SO cool...

Exiting ingame video of a landing in Fighter Pilot on the Spectrum... I don't remember anyone complaining about the graphics actually ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09cvB6ywiFA

I dreamt of that one day the games could possibly look as good as the splash screens displayed while loading the game from tape. I really did...

Tree_UK 01-23-2011 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by mazex (Post 215512)
But the fact that we look at a super detailed painting and have to think for some second before realizing that it's not an ingame screenshot from CoD tells me that we are beginning to get spoiled ;) I remember playing Fighter Pilot on my Spectrum in 1983 thinking it was SO cool...

Exiting ingame video of a landing in Fighter Pilot on the Spectrum... I don't remember anyone complaining about the graphics actually ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09cvB6ywiFA

I dreamt of that one day the games could possibly look as good as the splash screens displayed while loading the game from tape. I really did...

Hand on heart I really did think that pic was from a game, so yeah good point Mazex.

Xilon_x 01-23-2011 11:01 AM

THE OFFICIAL NAME is:
CLIFFS OF DOVER(il-2 sturmovik) abreviation COD

no STORM OF WAR SOW
no BATTLE OF BRITTAIN BOB



in ITALIAN translation "CLIFFS OF DOVER" ------- "SCOGLIERE DI DOVER"

Triggaaar 01-23-2011 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by mazex (Post 215512)
But the fact that we look at a super detailed painting and have to think for some second before realizing that it's not an ingame screenshot from CoD tells me that we are beginning to get spoiled ;)

So true. I'd like the graphics to be as good as possible, but honestly once flying, the graphics are good enough that I spend of my time worried how I'm going to get out of the mess that I've got into, rather than what it looks like.

jcenzano 01-23-2011 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mazex (Post 215512)
But the fact that we look at a super detailed painting and have to think for some second before realizing that it's not an ingame screenshot from CoD tells me that we are beginning to get spoiled ;) I remember playing Fighter Pilot on my Spectrum in 1983 thinking it was SO cool...

Exiting ingame video of a landing in Fighter Pilot on the Spectrum... I don't remember anyone complaining about the graphics actually ;)

I dreamt of that one day the games could possibly look as good as the splash screens displayed while loading the game from tape. I really did...

OMG, how old I am... I remember trying to land the Eagle on my C-64 and I was always to fast to stop on the availeable runway. But anyway that on the video was a hell of a shallow final approach :grin:

And after that came...
Dambusters(I loved it), ACE, ACE2, SoloFlight,F-15 Strike Eagle, Acrojet, Spitfire40, Battle of britain, Ace of aces, Jet... and that was only on the C-64

Amiga brought two of my favourites F-16 Fighter Pilot and Kights of the Sky, but I cant not remember a good WWII sim for the Amiga.

Mad G 01-23-2011 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by major_setback (Post 215441)

WOW!!! This guy art is amazing!

Xilon_x 01-23-2011 12:29 PM

this is the pakage or kit of CLIFFS of DOVER
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/daniel....1541291588.jpg

The secret for survive in the battle of brittain is drink ITALIAN WINE hahahah:):)

http://www.finn.it/regia/immagini/fi...woodbridge.jpg

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...6Fc8vip1aeX7n0

or beer

http://www.serate-italiane.dk/upload/nazioel.jpg

mazex 01-23-2011 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcenzano (Post 215551)
OMG, how old I am... I remember trying to land the Eagle on my C-64 and I was always to fast to stop on the availeable runway. But anyway that on the video was a hell of a shallow final approach :grin:

And after that came...
Dambusters(I loved it), ACE, ACE2, SoloFlight,F-15 Strike Eagle, Acrojet, Spitfire40, Battle of britain, Ace of aces, Jet... and that was only on the C-64

Amiga brought two of my favourites F-16 Fighter Pilot and Kights of the Sky, but I cant not remember a good WWII sim for the Amiga.

He he played most of them too - and sat for days in Dambusters too :) And SoloFlight of all games we played for days too - the only mission to fly from field A to field B and deliver mail in a small prop plane...

Looking at this list of Jet sims:

http://www.listal.com/list/evolution...ght-simulators

I realize I have flown ALL of them accept number 8 and 28. Remember the wait for Falcon 3 and then tearing up the package and installing it and sitting there in awe of the graphics and the flight modeling... All those missions in F-19 Stealth fighter over Iran and Libya... Mmm.

And looking at the list of WWII combat sims from the good old days:

http://www.listal.com/list/wwii-air-...ght-simulators

I have flown all of them accept number 26 and 41. I loved the Dynamix games and remember when Aces over Europe came with it's semi SVGA graphics that looked SO good! The reviewers where in tears...

EDIT - this is so fun. Found this page http://www.sheeparcade.com/free-games/simulation-games/ where a lot of these old abandonware games are available for download. Download the DOSBox "dos emulator" and then run them from that... Playing SoloFlight right now. Amazing that I have put so many hours into it!

klem 01-23-2011 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mazex (Post 215512)
But the fact that we look at a super detailed painting and have to think for some second before realizing that it's not an ingame screenshot from CoD tells me that we are beginning to get spoiled ;) I remember playing Fighter Pilot on my Spectrum in 1983 thinking it was SO cool...

Exiting ingame video of a landing in Fighter Pilot on the Spectrum... I don't remember anyone complaining about the graphics actually ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09cvB6ywiFA

I dreamt of that one day the games could possibly look as good as the splash screens displayed while loading the game from tape. I really did...

Spectrum??!! Luxury!

Eeeee, yer don't yer born. I 'ad to make do wi' ZX81 wi' two rows o' white dots on t' black background fer runway. Mind you, I had full 1Kb memory to run it on an' sep'rit plastic keyboard. Always was in t'front o' develerpment.

Eeeee......

Baron 01-23-2011 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mazex (Post 215512)
But the fact that we look at a super detailed painting and have to think for some second before realizing that it's not an ingame screenshot from CoD tells me that we are beginning to get spoiled ;) I remember playing Fighter Pilot on my Spectrum in 1983 thinking it was SO cool...

Exiting ingame video of a landing in Fighter Pilot on the Spectrum... I don't remember anyone complaining about the graphics actually ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09cvB6ywiFA

I dreamt of that one day the games could possibly look as good as the splash screens displayed while loading the game from tape. I really did...


Where can i download the high res. version of that video?

Adwark 01-23-2011 07:38 PM

This is a great intro song for IL-2 Clifs of Dover:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUx3M...eature=related

David603 01-23-2011 08:26 PM

I think I have the full list of aircraft figured out now :)

Flyable,

Bf109E-3 (possibly E-1 also)
Bf110
Blenhiem MkIV
Br.20 M
Cierva C.30 (Autogyro)
G.50
Ju-87
Ju-88
He-111
Hurricane (3 versions of MkI)
Spitfire (MkI early/MkIa/MkIb/MkII)
Su-26 (Oleg was lead designer on this aircraft ;) )
Tiger Moth

Non-flyable,

Anson
Beaufighter
Bf108
Cr.42
Defiant
Do-17 (and Do-215)
Fw-200
Gladiator
He-59
He-115
Sunderland
Walrus
Wellington

Bearcat 01-23-2011 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mazex (Post 215615)
He he played most of them too - and sat for days in Dambusters too :) And SoloFlight of all games we played for days too - the only mission to fly from field A to field B and deliver mail in a small prop plane...

Looking at this list of Jet sims:

http://www.listal.com/list/evolution...ght-simulators

I realize I have flown ALL of them accept number 8 and 28. Remember the wait for Falcon 3 and then tearing up the package and installing it and sitting there in awe of the graphics and the flight modeling... All those missions in F-19 Stealth fighter over Iran and Libya... Mmm.

And looking at the list of WWII combat sims from the good old days:

http://www.listal.com/list/wwii-air-...ght-simulators

I have flown all of them accept number 26 and 41. I loved the Dynamix games and remember when Aces over Europe came with it's semi SVGA graphics that looked SO good! The reviewers where in tears...

EDIT - this is so fun. Found this page http://www.sheeparcade.com/free-games/simulation-games/ where a lot of these old abandonware games are available for download. Download the DOSBox "dos emulator" and then run them from that... Playing SoloFlight right now. Amazing that I have put so many hours into it!


Wow.. those lists bring back memories.. The only one of the jet sims that I flew was number 22 the F-117A Nighthawk .. that was actually my first PC flight sim.. The second one was #25 on the WWII sim list Warbirds II. That was where I first got the idea to start a Redtail squadron because one of the stock skins in the P-51C was a Redtail Mustang... The sim that got me into this full tilt however was #20 MSCFS1 ... I also owned #27 CFS2 and #29 B-17.. but I didn 't play them much.. I was pretty much stuck on CFS1... until #30... IL2.. which I bought in the fall of 02 while waiting for CFS3.. by the time CFS3 was released it was... too little too late.. Been here ever since..

Azimech 01-23-2011 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron (Post 215674)
Where can i download the high res. version of that video?

:lol:

zakkandrachoff 01-23-2011 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David603 (Post 215735)
I think I have the full list of aircraft figured out now :)

Flyable,

Bf109E-3 (possibly E-1 also)
Bf110
Blenhiem MkIV
Br.20 M
Cierva C.30 (Autogyro)
G.50
Ju-87
Ju-88
He-111
Hurricane (3 versions of MkI)
Spitfire (MkI early/MkIa/MkIb/MkII)
Su-26 (Oleg was lead designer on this aircraft ;) )
Tiger Moth

Non-flyable,

Anson
Beaufighter
Bf108
Cr.42
Defiant
Do-17 (and Do-215)
Fw-200
Gladiator
He-59
He-115
Sunderland
Walrus
Wellington

mmmmmmmmm, Spitfire MkII ???

The Sheepherder 01-24-2011 01:01 AM

March, hell yeah!

David603 01-24-2011 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zakkandrachoff (Post 215791)
mmmmmmmmm, Spitfire MkII ???

It's here.

The MkIb was in the aircraft selection screen of one of the Igromir videos, along with the other 3 Spitfire versions, but it isn't listed in that picture, so I'm not sure if it will be included.

imaca 01-24-2011 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triggaaar (Post 214986)
Ok, you're not having a dig, it's your honest opinion - no problem. But... what are you talking about? Are you talking about graphics on screenshots that are not at maximum settings? Whatever you're referring to, the graphics haven't been limited by the resources of the development team, they'll be limited by the capabilites of today's PCs. There's so much processing involved in a decent combat sim that the PCs will struggle. I think the graphics (when at the best settings) will be great, but when they hit the limit it will be due to PC power, not development resources.

Its noticeable in the screenies there are almost no walls/fences/hedges.
I can imagine adding them would be quite a lot of work.
Or would it just add too much more load to the graphics system?
What do you think?

jcenzano 01-24-2011 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imaca (Post 215854)
Its noticeable in the screenies there are almost no walls/fences/hedges.
I can imagine adding them would be quite a lot of work.
Or would it just add too much more load to the graphics system?
What do you think?

unbelievable...

Baron 01-24-2011 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imaca (Post 215854)
Its noticeable in the screenies there are almost no walls/fences/hedges.
I can imagine adding them would be quite a lot of work.
Or would it just add too much more load to the graphics system?
What do you think?


Oleg awnsered that question himselfe a while back. Adding fences for ex. everywhere they should be would add an unreasenble amount of workload for the pc with with very little return in overall experiance (lets face it, when are u gonna see them). Im sure mission buliders can add them arround airfields and such (guessing) for example.

Zorin 01-24-2011 01:08 PM

Just skimmed through the major PC magazine websites and ALL believe this is just another title in the IL-2 series with an updated 3D engine... Well done Ubi...

Insuber 01-24-2011 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zorin (Post 215950)
Just skimmed through the major PC magazine websites and ALL believe this is just another title in the IL-2 series with an updated 3D engine... Well done Ubi...

Squad mates not up to date had the same idea ... yet another expansion of the old Il2 Sturmovik.

6S.Insuber

Royraiden 01-24-2011 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zorin (Post 215950)
Just skimmed through the major PC magazine websites and ALL believe this is just another title in the IL-2 series with an updated 3D engine... Well done Ubi...

A lot of people thought the same.But you cant complain in the forum,otherwise you are a silly whiner.People need to understand how much this sudden name change will affect the game sales.

Triggaaar 01-24-2011 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imaca (Post 215854)
Or would it just add too much more load to the graphics system?
What do you think?

I don't know how much each type of graphical feature affects PC performance, but Oleg has commented a few times on the limits of PCs. Not only are the physics more complicated than FPS games, becuase we want the aircraft to fly / shoot / get damaged as realistically as possible, but also the maps are huge compared to an FPS. You can fly across the country (we have a small country), dogfighting, without waiting for a new section of map to be loaded.

Triggaaar 01-24-2011 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zorin (Post 215950)
Just skimmed through the major PC magazine websites and ALL believe this is just another title in the IL-2 series with an updated 3D engine... Well done Ubi...

Never has our community been so united as in our dislike of the game title. Just about everyone was happy with the idea of "from the makers of IL2".

Fortunately, of all the things that could disappoint us, the name is something I care the least about. I appreciate it could effect sales, and less may come to join us, but what can you do.

Royraiden 01-24-2011 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triggaaar (Post 215964)
Never has our community been so united as in our dislike of the game title. Just about everyone was happy with the idea of "from the makers of IL2".

Fortunately, of all the things that could disappoint us, the name is something I care the least about. I appreciate it could effect sales, and less may come to join us, but what can you do.

Spread the word is all there is left for us.Since the name is not helping to make the community grow bigger,is up to ourselves then.

Triggaaar 01-24-2011 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Royraiden (Post 215971)
Spread the word is all there is left for us.Since the name is not helping to make the community grow bigger,is up to ourselves then.

I think this was Ubi's cunning plan all along. Give it a daft name and let the cult - sorry, community, spread the word. It's like The Shawshank Redemption.

zapatista 01-24-2011 05:03 PM

Quote:

Immersive game modes:
Exciting Single-Player Campaign – The campaign thrusts the player into the middle of the battle. The player will join the British Air Force to fight the German forces and renegade pilots on his own side, or join the German Luftwaffe and take part in meticulously recreated historical battles.
Massive multiplayer – Customizable modes range from simple deathmatch-style free-for-alls to epic, ongoing 128 player battles that can last hours, days, weeks, or even longer.
i'd like some more detail on the 24/7 dynamic campaign engine listed there for multiplayer :)

the germans obviously couldnt cross the channel because an invasion fleet is not modeled, but does this mean the campaign has an open ending that can change in outcome each time it runs ? (oleg previously indicated this would not be the case)

Vevster 01-24-2011 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zorin (Post 215950)
Just skimmed through the major PC magazine websites and ALL believe this is just another title in the IL-2 series with an updated 3D engine... Well done Ubi...


Didn't see it like you.

They do mention it as "the next entry in the IL-2 Sturmovik series " because that is the way the press release talked about it.

Doesn't mean magazines think it is just a redo of the "old game".

Here, the main PC mag clearly knows that it's a complete new game, probably the first of a long serie.

Old_Canuck 01-24-2011 06:49 PM

Just pre-ordered the DD and will monitor any possible DRM issues with Silent Hunter which has about 19minutes to go for download.

Regarding the IL-2 Sturmovik name it's not an issue IMHO. The name Sturmovik brings to mind a great flight sim of superior quality that has kept my interest for nine years. Newcomers will learn that as well. In fact even if IL2/CoD WAS simply an addition to the IL-2 series I would buy it in a heart beat because of the reputation associated with the name. :!:

nearmiss 01-24-2011 07:00 PM

The IL2 name is out there and well regarded.

Anyone wanting to buy it can make a decision about a purchase from information available on the web.

Whether the marketing is what someone thinks is not material. If any advertiser asked for comments... there would be NO acceptable marketing decisions made, no one could satisfy all the craziness that people post.

Insuber 01-24-2011 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nearmiss (Post 216122)
The IL2 name is out there and well regarded.

Anyone wanting to buy it can make a decision about a purchase from information available on the web.

Whether the marketing is what someone thinks is not material. If any advertiser asked for comments... there would be NO acceptable marketing decisions made, no one could satisfy all the craziness that people post.

Respectfully, nope. New brands and advertisement campaigns are very often based on preliminary marketing research, with questionnaires and interviews to real people. A friend of mine did that for a living.
We are simply reporting a fact here: friends and mates were misled by the name into believing that CoD was another expansion of the original Il2. Whether this will depress sales or not, I don't know. Whether UBI did a marketing research to sort out Il2:CoD, I don't know either.

Cheers,
6S.Insuber

Tempest123 01-24-2011 07:22 PM

I always wonder why developers go to the effort of making a historically accurate product and then let someone in some publishers marketing department who knows nothing about aviation or history create and write the box art and advertising/web page for the product.
I'm not talking specifically about CoD here as we know the dev. team had a say in the box contents, but I've seen this happen with other sims and it's painful, doesn't attract the target audience at all. Is this just the price you pay for getting your work distributed?

Triggaaar 01-24-2011 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nearmiss (Post 216122)
The IL2 name is out there and well regarded.

Of course. Just about everyone here thought IL2 should be on the box.
Quote:

Anyone wanting to buy it can make a decision about a purchase from information available on the web.
They can, but a lot of people that purchase games don't search the web for information about it first. They may make an impulse purchase for example.

Quote:

Whether the marketing is what someone thinks is not material. If any advertiser asked for comments... there would be NO acceptable marketing decisions made, no one could satisfy all the craziness that people post.
No one could satisfy everyone, but it seems this choice hasn't satisfied anyone. No one is saying this is the end of the world, it's just a bit daft and poorly researched. No biggie, we just don't like it and we're saying so.

major_setback 01-24-2011 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imaca View Post
Its noticeable in the screenies there are almost no walls/fences/hedges.
I can imagine adding them would be quite a lot of work.
Or would it just add too much more load to the graphics system?
What do you think?
There are probably a number of easy fixes that would improve the general appearance without too much work.

One way would be to add a bit of ground texture around the house model so it had a different texture for the garden. You can do it to the model itself so every time it is loaded the garden will be there.
Secondly, you could add a bit of fence to a few of the house models. You could even add it slightly away from the house.

There is no need to do it all by hand.

I don't think it is too much work to do it, but it is probably too much workload for our graphics cards though, as Oleg said. But it might be something for the future (gardens/walls/paths/flowers etc.)

zapatista 01-25-2011 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old_Canuck (Post 216119)
Regarding the IL-2 Sturmovik name it's not an issue IMHO. The name Sturmovik brings to mind a great flight sim of superior quality that has kept my interest for nine years. Newcomers will learn that as well. In fact even if IL2/CoD WAS simply an addition to the IL-2 series I would buy it in a heart beat because of the reputation associated with the name. :!:

i disagree, and like most people here i believe the bad naming of the new product will significantly hurt sales in the future

if the folks at ubi so desperately wanted to keep the name il2 sturmovik in the tittle, they should have called it something like "il2 sturmovik series 2, Cliffs of Dover" ( or il2 version 2 etc..), all of which sounds ugly but at least would let them keep the marketing name AND would have gotten the important point across to sales drones in shops who deal with 100's of tittles that this is a completely new product in the same series (and inform potentially new customers who remember vaguely "there was something good about the sturmovik flightsim" lets try this out and see what its like etc..)

that then completely differentiates all the earlier products from the new series, and avoids all the confusion of what addons work for what version. customers and sales people need a simple naming system that lets them know what works with what

this forum and the other i2 forums still have a regular trail of eager new flight-simmers who want to try the product, most have just bought an older version of il2 without knowing any better, and are seriously confused by what il2 product is a standalone or an addon, and they dont know the sequence of addons and newer versions that integrated all the previous versions in one product (so they get the improved version of the game). it is even made more confusion with the additional 3e party produced mission packs and other 3e party addons etc

this will get significantly worse with the release of the new product, and the flightsim series needs a simple naming system that makes it easy to know what is a completely new version of the game (il2 sturmovik version 2), and the original older series. even at this late stage they could still slap a little sticker (on the already printed boxes) with "il2 sturmovik series 2" on it, this is a very common last minute procedures in many factories,and the next print run of boxes will then have the better naming integrated in the box art

Chivas 01-25-2011 03:23 AM

I don't think there is that big of a problem. Most of the combat flight sim community who are interested in buying a new combat flight sim will easily figure it out.

Even if people are unaware, or confused, a quick look at the back of the box, or website, should tell them this is a brand new game and gaming engine.

Bearcat 01-25-2011 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vevster (Post 216098)
Didn't see it like you.

They do mention it as "the next entry in the IL-2 Sturmovik series " because that is the way the press release talked about it.

Doesn't mean magazines think it is just a redo of the "old game".

Here, the main PC mag clearly knows that it's a complete new game, probably the first of a long serie.

It doesnt matter what the magazines think.. it is what the box says.. and the fact that UBI didnt even give the developer the respect to pick the name of his product is just pitiful.. They obviously have their heads up their collective behinds... Marketing thjis is another "upgrade" to IL2 is stupid. Period. Marketing this as a new product from the same designers who made IL2 is they way this all should have gone down.. why the pencil pushers at UBI can't see this is beyond me. I guarantee you there will be people who will say... why bother .. I'll just get IL2... more planes... wider theater... Had they marketed this as a new product from the brilliant minds that brought you IL2 sales would be much better.. but they probably didn't want to cut into any sales of IL2 either..

Wutz 01-25-2011 04:23 AM

Well wonder how Ubi will, if they even bother, sort out the mess that many think CoD is just another add-on to IL2, and will think "If I don´t have the rest, no point in buying this as it won´t work" Especially for new people this impression seems to be around, that CoD is not a seperate new development but just another add-on.

zapatista 01-25-2011 05:22 AM

all the confusion isnt helped by the wording used at 1C's own youtube website

IL-2 STURMOVIK™: Cliffs of Dover is the latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik™ series from award-winning developer 1C: Maddox Games.

http://www.youtube.com/user/1CComp

it very much portrays it as just another product in the same series, but that wording is probably temporary and just put up by one of their own people in the short term

for the official ubi website ( http://il2sturmovik.ubi.com/cliffs-o...ming-soon.aspx) and the product boxes and online download ordering (steam etc) they should add a "version 2" to the title at least (or a similar naming that differentiates it clearly from the 1e series)

swiss 01-25-2011 07:20 AM

I'm sure they'll have a hard time selling it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1c yt vid
January 18, 2011 | 43,767 views

lol

You guys care way too much about something you dont no crap about.


edit:

ubisoft's channel: 6 days ago | 22,096 views

Igo kyu 01-25-2011 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 216276)
... they probably didn't want to cut into any sales of IL2 either.

Sales of 1946 at £5 per unit don't matter to anyone any more, it's a very nice price for buyers, but the profits on it will be marginal to none.

Wutz 01-25-2011 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Igo kyu (Post 216317)
Sales of 1946 at £5 per unit don't matter to anyone any more, it's a very nice price for buyers, but the profits on it will be marginal to none.

True IL2-1946 is found here at the large shops on those bargain tables, I think they are just trying to sell of what they have left over on stock

swiss 01-25-2011 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bearcat
It doesnt matter what the magazines think.. it is what the box says..

Really?
You just go in the store, take a look at a box, put $80 on the counter and leave?
Without googling for reviews?

merlin1 01-25-2011 11:24 AM

We saw the announcement of the outcome CoD from 1c and ubi.com. But. Is Oleg actually confirm the release date ? I dont think soo. His statement will be the most credible.

fruitbat 01-25-2011 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merlin1 (Post 216366)
We saw the announcement of the outcome CoD from 1c and ubi.com. But. Is Oleg actually confirm the release date ? I dont think soo. His statement will be the most credible.

did you actually read Oleg's post on last weeks friday update:confused:

" would like to say, that known date of release doesn't means that we has been stopped the work that to silver the product."

is that credible enough for you?

merlin1 01-25-2011 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fruitbat (Post 216379)
did you actually read Oleg's post on last weeks friday update:confused:

" would like to say, that known date of release doesn't means that we has been stopped the work that to silver the product."

is that credible enough for you?



I was on vacations the last ten days ;) :rolleyes:

I Will read :!:

fruitbat 01-25-2011 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merlin1 (Post 216381)
I was on vacations the last ten days ;) :rolleyes:

I Will read :!:

lucky you!

Robert 01-25-2011 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 216276)
It doesnt matter what the magazines think.. it is what the box says.. and the fact that UBI didnt even give the developer the respect to pick the name of his product is just pitiful.. They obviously have their heads up their collective behinds... Marketing thjis is another "upgrade" to IL2 is stupid. Period. Marketing this as a new product from the same designers who made IL2 is they way this all should have gone down.. why the pencil pushers at UBI can't see this is beyond me. I guarantee you there will be people who will say... why bother .. I'll just get IL2... more planes... wider theater... Had they marketed this as a new product from the brilliant minds that brought you IL2 sales would be much better.. but they probably didn't want to cut into any sales of IL2 either..

I think UBI will need you to work at Best Buy again to help sell and market their game IN STORE. It's that personal touch that UBI is looking for. ;)

Richie 01-25-2011 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chivas (Post 216267)
I don't think there is that big of a problem. Most of the combat flight sim community who are interested in buying a new combat flight sim will easily figure it out.

Even if people are unaware, or confused, a quick look at the back of the box, or website, should tell them this is a brand new game and gaming engine.


If you put the game in google now pages and pages are up. Buy the time this thing comes out considering the amount of people that are online I think the message is going to get out there. It's much different now than it was back in 2001 when IL-2 first came out.

http://www.google.ca/search?q=IL-2+S...ient=firefox-a

Royraiden 01-26-2011 01:07 AM

Have you guys seen these videos? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feR3S11Z9hs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKDW9...eature=related
I remind you Im new to the forums, so maybe its old news, but they look awesome!!!This vids show me more than 100 pictures.What do you say guys?

Ctrl E 01-26-2011 01:55 AM

anyone got a link to a video i saw that showed inside a j-88 and the changing of magazines on a gun?

Richie 01-26-2011 04:14 AM

You should find it in here somewhere


http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/tag/igromir-2010/

Matt255 01-26-2011 07:03 AM

Would be great to know, if the gunner has to reload the 20mm drum magazines in the 110 :D.

LukeFF 01-26-2011 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Royraiden (Post 216631)
Have you guys seen these videos?

That, and a hundred more. :-P

Richie 01-26-2011 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt255 (Post 216674)
Would be great to know, if the gunner has to reload the 20mm drum magazines in the 110 :D.


The machine gun mag. is reloaded

Royraiden 01-26-2011 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LukeFF (Post 216709)
That, and a hundred more. :-P

Hehe,I had to throw it in, just in case.

JetmechAl 01-27-2011 02:54 AM

So as I can see The new saga starts and I can't wait even though I may need a new rig as video is dx10-dx11.
Saw this trailer on UBIsoft website and it's got me geared up!!!!

http://shop.ubi.com/store/ubina/en_C..._of_Dover.html

I've been awaiting this release since when??? I think it was first mentioned in the winter of 2009 with a expected release of fall 2009 . Right???

Man It looks awesome.....sure is going to be hard not to play in Cockpit mode with this level of graphic quality..........

Triggaaar 01-27-2011 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetmechAl (Post 217077)
I've been awaiting this release since when??? I think it was first mentioned in the winter of 2009 with a expected release of fall 2009 . Right???

I think you may have miss-typed that.

Hecke 01-27-2011 12:25 PM

pretty short wait then ;)

{64s}Katsuo 01-29-2011 10:14 AM

Good morning all!

Just a little question, anyone can tell me if PTO add-on of CoD (like Pacific Fighters) is already scheduled? In case of positive answer, any idea about the delay? Please no "two more weeks"... ;)

Thanks :!:

ElAurens 01-29-2011 12:54 PM

No Pacific addon is in the works as far as anyone knows.

I suspect that in the current legal environment that it will probably never happen.

*EL pulls on NOMEX suit and runs for cover.*

:-P

Zorin 01-29-2011 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElAurens (Post 218416)
No Pacific addon is in the works as far as anyone knows.

I suspect that in the current legal environment that it will probably never happen.

*EL pulls on NOMEX suit and runs for cover.*

:-P

On a related note.

Republic was bought by Fairchild. They merged with Dornier under supervision of Mercedes Benz and have been liquidated. So is there anyone holding their rights now?

North American Aviation merged with Rockwell and Boeing bought their military branch so we may assume that Boeing is holding the rights for all NAA products.

Can we therefor assume that TD is save to work on types of these manufacturers?

heywooood 01-29-2011 03:53 PM

this is an ongoing story that will merit close attention - I hope there is a solution that will allow all of the relevant aircraft to be depicted in the future addons - without costing an arm and a leg....

robtek 02-02-2011 02:48 PM

Website is online:

http://il2sturmovik.ubi.com/cliffs-o...ming-soon.aspx

ElAurens 02-02-2011 02:51 PM

German site only?

Royraiden 02-02-2011 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElAurens (Post 219651)
German site only?

All german to me too.

swiss 02-02-2011 03:15 PM

http://il2sturmovik.ubi.com/cliffs-o...ming-soon.aspx

Geniuses.



Just remove the red part:
il2sturmovik.ubi.com/cliffs-of-dover/de-DE/home/coming-soon.aspx

Royraiden 02-02-2011 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swiss (Post 219661)
http://il2sturmovik.ubi.com/cliffs-o...ming-soon.aspx

Geniuses.



Just remove the red part:
il2sturmovik.ubi.com/cliffs-of-dover/de-DE/home/coming-soon.aspx

Didnt read the whole url, no need to call names or sarcastically imply something.


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