here the real stuff:

http://www.realsimulator.com/html/fssb.html


The Hotas Desktop System is an upgrade for the Thrustmaster HOTAS Cougar. It replaces the Cougar's original gimbal system and pots with a completely different system that uses force sensors to measure the displacement of the joystick. The joystick barely moves replicating the displacement values of the real F-16 side stick controller. Similarly, the forces for maximum displacement are replicated although these can be reduced to suit personal preferences.

thanks for being rrude to me

in my book youre a pretender

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bad luck for you that that test pilot used the words dead band meaning effective run

now anybody smart enough knows the nerd pretender you are

and pray an f16 maintenance mecahnic is not an officer or you could be trialed as an officer impersonator a crminal ofense

In my book you're an utter idiot, but hey, that's just how it is.

Read this: http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...-16-design.htm

Especially the 7th paragraph, which goes like this:

The cockpit and its bubble canopy give the pilot unobstructed forward and upward vision, and greatly improved vision over the side and to the rear. The seat-back angle was expanded from the usual 13 degrees to 30 degrees, increasing pilot comfort and gravity force tolerance. The pilot has excellent flight control of the F-16 through its "fly-by-wire" system. Electrical wires relay commands, replacing the usual cables and linkage controls. For easy and accurate control of the aircraft during high G-force combat maneuvers, a side stick controller is used instead of the conventional center-mounted stick. Hand pressure on the side stick controller sends electrical signals to actuators of flight control surfaces such as ailerons and rudder. The arrangement of the pilot's control stick is a radical departure from standards that trace their origin to the early days of World War I. Traditionally, the fighter pilot's control stick used for actuation of the ailerons and elevators has consisted of a lever mounted on the floor of the cockpit between the pilot's legs. (There have, of course been many variations in the detail design of the control stick.) On the F-16, the traditional control stick has been replaced by a short "side-arm controller" mounted on the right-hand console of the cockpit. The side-arm controller is a small-displacement pressure-sensitive handle that, together with the fly-by-wire system, gives the pilot the ability to exercise very precise control of the aircraft. To help prevent unwanted commands to the control handle the pilot rests his right arm in a carefully designed support.

And if this just isn't enough to convince you, nothing will. Except maybe talking with a real F16-pilot, which I'd tell you to do if I thought you had any opportunity of doing so.

well i will be convinced when i see an explanation of an stick havinng 6mm of DEAD ZONE, theres none there

man im a pilot, ive piloted many things, thats utter bs

plz read again my f16 emulating joystick link in the top

Go read the TCTO. I don't care if you're a pilot, you've never flown an F16, and you never will.

Your link towards an emulation of the F16-stick is in no way proof that the stick in the real F16 is the exact same, which I know for a fact from not only working on the F16 but also talking quite a bit with RNoAF pilots during my time in the RNoAF.

But yep, I'm done with both you and this thread, and I still say you should be banned for being a moron.

the net proves your an uneducated pretender troll:


https://www.google.es/#hl=en&sclient...w=1280&bih=841

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oh and to the other troll who asked me for other modern planes with high sensitivity


well as the f16 "maintenance guy" googles is your friend


https://www.google.es/#hl=en&output=...w=1280&bih=841

Lol that's pure bs there. I love that you're using a simulator stick as evidence about how the real thing works.

Must be hell being an A10 pilot with their joysticks and throttles ocasionally sliding across the desk in their cockpit. Well that's what my Warthog does so it must be true.

Idiot.

Hood

Raaaaaaid..

Look at this video, it's a real F-16 - you can clearly see the red button on top of the flight stick (most of the time). It hardly moves, even when the pilot is throwing it around all over the show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1X8SE-FDjk

Wasting your time as he will not accept he's wrong. Next it'll be some youtube clip of Katy Perry and some BS derivative sketch proving something totally unconnected.

Hood

yes thats my whole point a high sensitivity is an advantage to go to the limit(because it takes shorter to move the hand a litle than alot)

thats it why he hardly moves the stick cause it has high sensitivity

well winny i take your advice for good and dont give a dumb about those haters

dont you agree that f16 stick has a high sensitivity, quite more than wwii sticks?


in fact ive tried myself a simillar setup to the f16 sidestick racing

i increased hugely the FORCE dumping of my g25 and have a lock of 5º

thats like moving the hands 0.5 cm from lock to lock

also i agree that a huge force resistance is another way to decrease sensitivity, its not only the run actually

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and winny dont you think i am being reasonable calling bs a 0.6 cm dead zone in a control stick?

come on its common sense imagine driving like that

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i have just tested the f16 sidestick concept with my g25 to race:

i decreased the lock to 4º thats like .7mm run on th hands

and i incresed centering force to the maximum(which is gradual the more you move the wheel the more it increases)

also added it a very slightly force feed back

i was going at times faster than the average guys in a circuit i had never driven

i feel like cheating now i have a modded g25 to act as an f16 sidestick :)

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well after a clasification multiplayer in a circuit I HAD NEVER RACED BEFORED i ranked 14th of 24 with the f16 style wheel setup :)

this thread has been a great idea now i know even more about controls setups

To be honest I'm still not sure what your point is.

Staying with racing cars, an F1 cars steering ratio is pretty much 1:1
So you move the steering wheel 1 degree and the wheels turn 1 degree. A road car will have something like 15:1 or 20:1, it's just practicality. You don't need to reverse park an F1 car..

So the sports world does understand sensitivity.

I don't see the connection between a steering wheel and a flight stick on an F-16, they're totally different things. Surley the aircraft equivilent of steering is the rudder not the stick? The sticks there to let the pilot tell the plane to either roll, roll faster or don't roll, that's why the 16's stick isn't bothered about sensitivity of stick movement and is more interested in the pressure applied.