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IamNotDavid 10-18-2011 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II (Post 351046)

but anyway, if dental records of the high command were destroyed, as per Bormann's 1944 order, how could they say they recognised the rests from their teeth? Bormann's dental record themselves were reconstructed "from memory" by his former dentist to identify his remains.. really guys? :rolleyes:
Most likely the records were not actually destroyed, that's how. :rolleyes:

In any case, the idea that all the witnesses would have carried the lie of Hitler's death to their graves is completely absurd.

IamNotDavid 10-18-2011 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II (Post 351052)
yeah, well you might be aware of the hysterical faith and support the Germans had for Hitler. Do you really think that 20 (I say 20 as a hypothetical number) people couldn't swear on a oath of faith and lie? If you don't believe this is possible then there's no point in continuing this conversation.
No, I don't believe it for a second. A lie that big would be impossible to keep if there were 3 people who knew the truth, never mind the 20+ who probably knew.

BTW, that "hysterical faith" was long gone by 1945.

FFCW_Urizen 10-18-2011 06:34 PM
And on what facts do you say that faith in hitler was gone by 45, when even people living in dachau pretended to not know what was happening there? but why do we bother anyway, he is dead either way, no way round that.

IamNotDavid 10-18-2011 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by FFCW_Urizen (Post 351061)
And on what facts do you say that faith in hitler was gone by 45, when even people living in dachau pretended to not know what was happening there? but why do we bother anyway, he is dead either way, no way round that.
The fact that even Himmler was trying to negotiate with the Allies. The idea that so many people would lie about Hitler's death is utterly absurd.

ACE-OF-ACES 10-18-2011 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Oldschool61 (Post 351031)
Actually your very close to the facts.
It was actually Matin Luthers preachings against the jewish problem in the 1500's. Luther's 1543 book, "On the Jews and their lies" took Jewish hatred to a new level when he proposed to set fire to their synagogues and schools, to take away their homes, forbad them to pray or teach, or even to utter God's name. Luther wanted to "be rid of them" and requested that the government and ministers deal with the problem. He requested pastors and preachers to follow his example of issuing warnings against the Jews. He goes so far as to claim that "We are at fault in not slaying them" for avenging the death of Jesus Christ. Hitler's Nazi government in the 1930s and 40s fit Luther's desires to a tee. In Mein Kampf, Hitler listed Martin Luther as one of the greatest reformers.
I noticed that you avoided the fact that Hitler was in the process of creating his own religion.

I understand why, it does not 'fit' into your line of reasoning!

So ignore it and try and change the topic ASAP.. As you did by going on about Martin Luther.. As if I and others were under some false impression that Hitler was the 'first' to blame Jews for their short coming

I'm sure some might fall for it

But thankfully not all

FFCW_Urizen 10-18-2011 06:43 PM
yeah, "good ol´" himmler wanted to team up with the british/americans to fight of the russians, no need for a führer there, so it´s easy to say he´s dead, ain´t it.

IamNotDavid 10-18-2011 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by FFCW_Urizen (Post 351068)
yeah, "good ol´" himmler wanted to team up with the british/americans to fight of the russians, no need for a führer there, so it´s easy to say he´s dead, ain´t it.
You asked what fact supported my claim about the lack of faith, and I told you. The rats were leaving the ship, and Himmler was one of the biggest rats.

Sternjaeger II 10-18-2011 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by IamNotDavid (Post 351053)
Most likely the records were not actually destroyed, that's how. :rolleyes:
erm, and what are you basing your assumption on? :confused:

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In any case, the idea that all the witnesses would have carried the lie of Hitler's death to their graves is completely absurd.
I still don't see why it's absurd, so many people died bringing their secrets (or others') to their grave: think about all the people that work for the secret services or that were involved in illegal actions.. I really do not comprehend why it's not plausible.

IamNotDavid 10-18-2011 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II (Post 351089)
erm, and what are you basing your assumption on? :confused:
Because I've seen the records on 1 of the dozen or so "this is how Hitler died" history shows.

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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II (Post 351089)
I still don't see why it's absurd, so many people died bringing their secrets (or others') to their grave: think about all the people that work for the secret services or that were involved in illegal actions.. I really do not comprehend why it's not plausible.
It's not plausible because this would have been the biggest secret in modern history. It might be possible for 1 or 2 people to keep that secret, but it's not possible for everyone who would have known. The idea that Hitler could get 20+ minions to lie for him even as his closest supporters (Himmler and Goering) are stabbing him in the back is too absurd to even consider. It's one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard.

Redroach 10-18-2011 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II (Post 351089)
erm, and what are you basing your assumption on? :confused:



I still don't see why it's absurd, so many people died bringing their secrets (or others') to their grave: think about all the people that work for the secret services or that were involved in illegal actions.. I really do not comprehend why it's not plausible.
Oh the conspiracy theorists! I love them, they are like those small, angry dogs that bark all the time in high pitch :rolleyes:

At least Otto Günsche remained a convinced Nazi until his death. Don't you think he would have loved to spice the whole story a bit up, in order to mystify his Führer? Count Mohnke in, and possibly Heinz Linge.
The absurd thing is: It's not absurd in Absurdistan!


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