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Thee_oddball 07-02-2011 03:58 AM

cmon guys....the ultimate benchmarks is this .."HEY i can play the game!"

S!

AndyJWest 07-02-2011 04:03 AM

Orpheus, how exactly do you think you are helping? Has Luthier asked people to post their Win 7 index scores? Nope. Do the specifications for the game include the index? Nope. I don't believe in 'conspiracies', but I do understand how marketing works. If you don't think that Microsoft has an interest in convincing you that you need new hardware, I'd suggest that your tinfoil hat is probably restricting blood flow to your brain...

Orpheus 07-02-2011 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by AndyJWest (Post 304868)
Orpheus, how exactly do you think you are helping? Has Luthier asked people to post their Win 7 index scores? Nope. Do the specifications for the game include the index? Nope. I don't believe in 'conspiracies', but I do understand how marketing works. If you don't think that Microsoft has an interest in convincing you that you need new hardware, I'd suggest that your tinfoil hat is probably restricting blood flow to your brain...

You really are mental aren't you? This has nothing to do with MS's interest in hardware sales - are you seriously suggesting that we are all unwitting (or even willing!) participants in some Microsoft conspiracy to get us all to buy new OS with our new hardware via misleading benchmarks? Do you realise how paranoid/inane/messed up that sounds? What would be the point of even releasing a benchmark to the public that didn't work, let alone including it with all new operating systems? Do you think that your windows process manager lies to you about how much CPU is being used, or what programs you're running? Or maybe that's all part of the conspiracy too?

Clearly you know jack about marketing, or you'd realise that releasing a program across literally hundreds of thousands of users worldwide isn't good marketing - it's just dumb. All the Win Index is, is an attempt to simplify benchmarking processes so even the casual users can understand it - not just mouthbreathing neckbeards in rooms filled with Linux books and dirty tissues.



Given that it was a forum moderator that posted the OP, I figured it had a reasonable chance of helping Luthier & Co. I've said this several times now: Even if you lot think it's wrong, or an evil marketing tool, or you're convinced that your benchmarking program is so much better - save it for the other thread. Leave this one for people who actually want to contribute their settings and results, or you're just sh*tting it up for the rest of us.

Novotny 07-02-2011 06:01 AM

What a bunch of cocknobs.

As recommended on the first page, use Sisoft Sandra.

The Rest of you: You kill this game. I Hope you are happy.

Timberwolf 07-02-2011 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Orpheus (Post 304659)
Repost from the other thread:

Processor: 7.5
Memory 7.7
Graphics 6.9
Gaming Graphics 6.9
HD: 5.9

Overall (by lowest) 5.9.

CloD Performance:

Most settings medium, medium textures (could use high before last retail patch), 2x AA, true fullscreen @ 1920 x 1200, shadows & roads on, grass off, vsync on, SSAO & Ep filter off.

Without using Radeon Pro, fps is in the 10-20s over land with massive stuttering. With Radeon Pro, fps becomes a slightly more stable 25ish, most of the stutter has gone. 'Bubble' pop-in regardless of whether I use Radeon or not. Crossfire only works well with Radeon Pro and STILL has a massive performance degradation over time, to the extent that if you spend half an hour 'testing' different settings, it'll be a slideshow by the time you finish, making actual testing impossible.

The wins 7 test isn't up to what it should be ..you have a quad core and 2x 5770
I have 5.9 and half of what you have for a computer

Timberwolf 07-02-2011 06:26 AM

Most Test programs are not 100% due to the fact not everyone is a expert when it comes to computers Most likey people download the benchmark and run it and get a score and figure thats it and post it

When in fact they have other apps and processes open and running not knowing it effects your score Same with "bottlenecking" or conductivity of your connection host or how to set a high priority in process useage

Even having nortons, Firewall etc on in the back ground is a big process and will effect a score Under cooling Cpu, Gpu. same

Benchmarking websites if you take the time to read the post will tell you not to "just download and click" take the right steps

most of the problems i seen on here have been people with higher end computers And my own two cents is that dual core works, Quad core works, and mid ranged Video cards works But everything starts to drop off when you get into the ATI 6xxx series and Nvid 480 areas and AMD 6 core Intell i-5 / i-7
Maybe the game being 7 years in the making started as a duel / quad core base and added more is hard work ..don't know not a programmer just say it as i see it ..I still hear and see alot of 1946 in CLOD

Timberwolf 07-02-2011 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by AARPRazorbacks (Post 304849)
Why don't you goggle and find a report on how bad a tool by MS this is.

Most people take there PC to a shop to be upgraded.
With this tool thy know what hardware to upgrade with instead of some sales person that try and sell then things thay do not need. To run the new software thy are not able to run on there system.

What part of that do you not understand?

And I think you need to stop with the personal attacks.

I don't know why a person That wants a "gaming computer" would spend alot of money on something he knows nothing about. It wouldn't make sence to take your computer to a salesman to get upgraded with "things" you don't need and pay for them and then take your computer home and run a test..And if you read my above post you might think twice about your real score and the score you could have.

From my first computer to the one i have now I read alot, Weeded out the post of people saying buy this and that and learned to take my own computer apart and knew what was compadable with what and how to optimize what i was working with not just the hardware. There are many free tools on websites that are virise free (checked daily) That can show you everything that is on your computer in detail and the temps there running on aswell as driver updaters, net connecton optimizers and scan for proformance problems....To me running a Benchmark score without knowing your computer first is unwise Because your getting results from a program thats based on your computer software/hardware running clean

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1367486998.png

Ze-Jamz 07-02-2011 09:00 AM

Seriously I don't understand this thread at all, as it's been said a million times you cannot use win7 benchmark test as a viable way to make this game better for users..2 of the same machines would run this differently meaning it's a comnination of things that are causing problems..benchmarking will do little to help as already stated..

If you must use a BM program 3dMark Vantage or 11 would be adequate but I'm telling you now start a thread on that and get 50 people to test your better start a new forum cuz your need it..

Insane some of the things in here and I honestly thought we were smarter than that

Il give you a clue too...it's called game code, it's called optimisation and lastly everysingle machine in here would probably have different programs running using resources and 1 resource on 1 machine would give you a different grade to the other machine with the same hardware..

Now please can we just forget about this topic now and take our tinpot foil things whatever it is you guys harp on about and help others in another way.

S

mazex 07-02-2011 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by AARPRazorbacks (Post 304832)
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system:

MOBO- Gigabyte GA-EP45_UD3P.
CPU-Intel core Duo E8600 @ 3.33GHz.
Ram 4GB.
PSU-(Duel power supply.
500 and 550 watt on the GPU.
550 watt on MOBO and SSD.
500 watt on HDD and CD/DVD player)
GPU-Video card GTX 470 1280 MB GDDR5.
Internal SSD- Crucial M4 CT064M4SSD2 2.5" 64GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive
Internal HD-Seagate Barracuda SATA2 1TB/TO 32MB 7200RPM.
External HD-Seagate USB2.00 500 GB 7200RPM.
OS-(Duel partition on Internal HDD.
Windows XP Pro 32bit.
Windows 7 PRO 64 bit.)


CFS3 and Expansions,FSX on XP 32 bit HDD-Seagate Barracuda SATA2 1TB/TO 32MB 7200RPM.
CLoD and RoF in W-7 Pro 64 bit HDD-Seagate Barracuda SATA2 1TB/TO 32MB 7200RPM.
CLoD and RoF in W-7 Pro 64 bit SSD- Crucial M4 CT064M4SSD2 2.5" 64GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive


MSWFF Pro 2.
2 saitek x52 throttles.
Saitek Pro Flight PZ35 Rudder Pedals
Monitor- HP-19, HP-24 or a VIZIO 42in screen.
Turtle Beach Gaming Headset and Mic.
TIR5.
Fraps.
Systems Windows 7 Experience Index rate of 6.7 base with SSD-- 5.9 base with HDD


With this score I'm able to fly CLod very well. I was able to fly CLod at base 5.9 HDD. Not as good as 6.7 base SDD but still very playable.

I use MS Windows 7 64 bit as a OS on my PC. CLod is MS Windows based.

We all are using MS Windows XP, Vista 64 bit or Windows 7 64 bit to play this sim.

Does MS know what there doing? I would think so!

If by posting my results of Windows 7 Experience Index helps the CLoD team make This sim more playable on more PC's.Then thats a good thing.

Windows Experience Index is already on Vista and 7 and being used by PC games and Hardware developers to help people know wither or not thy can use there product on there PC. If there hardware or software is MS windows base.

There was a poster on another flight sim forum ask what FPS he would get with his system in CLoD. I told him if he had Windows 7 Experience Index to run that. then post his Base score and I could tell him what to expect form CLoD on this system. That EZ.

The original initiative in this thread is naturally good, the problem is that you get 7.8 in graphics score for your GTX470, and I get 7.9 for my GTX580. Then those cards must be almost exactly as fast? And my son gets 7.4 on his GTX275... That rig is my old one that was swapped to get CloD running ;) The new one has more than double average fps than the old one which the score does not show at all. A score of 7.4 on a scale to 7.9 must be good enough if a ring with 7.8 runs it great?

So - therefore I can conclude that the ones axing Windows Experience are right as it is to "crude" for high performance gaming - but the original initiative is right. I started a thread in the tech section where I tried to do a comparison between different combination on the same settings when I was upgrading, and if a lot of guys with different rigs did the exact same benchmark - in the actual game, we would get a small database where people could see how their rig would work in CloD, and the devs could see where there are problems with specific combinations?

My old thread while upgrading where I tried to get all settings the same etc and compare my old rig and my new one, with and interesting twist of having the new GTX580 in my old Core2Duo rig which gave almost nothing... Did not expect that myself!

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=22448

The main problem is that when new patches arrive that improves performance, the old tests has to be re run... And that's where it gets tiresome. But if 25 of us regular posters here could rerun a test in "Black Death" with the exact same settings and resolution, I would be very interested to read that at least as a developer or buyer!

Ze-Jamz 07-02-2011 11:28 AM

That is all you would need to do to achieve a benchmark on specific hardware. My point is you would get different results on similar setups using the game as a benchmark due to it's performance issues which is obviously code related and how the engine handles that code.

I've tested this myself on 2 same computers, my old man has the same comp, even down to the case and cooling..the only thing different was the mouse ad keyboard and make of monitor (not resolution) and both produced different results with. +/- 10 Fps, so the only thing different would be programs running in BG though none were resource hogs..

People won't have barebone systems to run these sorts of tests so they wouldn't help in trying to isolate hardware issues..

You can benchmark your own system to determine what works best for you but to do any type of viable worthwhile benchmarking/testing whatever you want to call it would be futile giving:
A/ The way the games engine is handling code (to put it simply) Inc memory issues and even if that wasn't the case you woulnt.....
B/ Have a community with barebone systems willing to do such comprehensive tests


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