It isnt the forums.. it is it's members that make it or break it...

So true. There's still a mature element at the Zoo. I don't regret the last 4 years of daily visits there and have learned a lot and received much appreciated help. But sadly it's getting harder to wade through the crap to find the good stuff. S! Bearcat.

In the end, yes it is. But if administrators wisely lays down rules and appoints the right moderators that knows what and whom to encourage or show to the door, then it is up to the users to fill the forum with relevant and interesting topics.

you mean like spreading information about hacking and cheating online, and promoting it in olegs own 1C forum ?

or maybe you meant how to better delay the 4.09 patch, or take resources from a very busy oleg who now needs to come up with a new anti hack lock while develloping BoB at full steam ?

i think this new forum started out very nicely, the only major problem is that there is open promotion of hacking by a small number of people, that is what gets peoples annoyed. it should have been nipped in the bud when it first surfaced here !

if the hacking was only possible for offline use it wouldnt matter, but there is now no way to determine who is cheating online, and it ruins the game for many people, even if it would be just by adding the suspicion of cheating on some legitimate users who might not be.

there is still almost a full year to go before BoB is released, and thats a long time to wait if this issue doesnt get resolved and the loopholes closed.

How would we know about cheating online if it was not talked about in public? Only the cheaters would want to keep it quiet.

No Zapata I am not spreading information as I don’t have any and I don’t promote anything as I don’t give a hoot about what you use or not. But I know it’s better to discuss and dissect the mods in open and not stick our heads in the sand.

Mods and cheats did allegedly exist before the mods so the need to plug that hole did already exist.

PS! Nice try to get as many “promote” as possible in your post!
You think Evgeny will fall for it?

your confusing freedom of speech with the right to yell fire in a crowded theater.

allowing open promotion of the hacked files in the main legitimate il2 forums is wrong, and if you'd bother to actually read the threads were people list the main reasons for this then you'd know that to, i wont repeat them all here again. there is no spoon in life, put a little effort in yourself to see what the arguments are on both sides and then make up your own mind.

you really cant see the difference in those 2 issues ? having one main russian cracker who opened the files years ago and kept the information mostly to himself (with only the odd behavior being reported online from a non-regular member) that is one thing, but having every 12 yo and his dog editing flight characteristics and aircraft armament with a simple few cut 'n pastes in notepad is another thing

Not worth it.

Freedom of speech!? Where did I say that? This sis a forum with its own rules! And what have this discussion to do with the rules of UBI forum??

No Sir! You are rambling and further discussion with you will obviously be futile.

well how many threads do you people need .... it is the third one for the same discussion ... and second that got way off topic . Do you hate Evgeny that much ... ?