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Flying Pencil 04-24-2011 05:01 AM

Any missing details?

Flying Pencil 08-30-2011 08:29 PM

List still accurate?

1./JG2_Miller 08-31-2011 02:06 AM

As far as I'm concerned only the Bf 109 E-1 (no E-1/B) was added to that list as a flyable aircraft.

Bf 109 E-3:

* 2 MG 17
* 2 MG FF (no Minengeschosse and therefore no bullets which could cause explosive damage)

Bf 109 E-1:

* 4 MG 17
* slightly less weight because of the missing MG FF and as a result of that an increased speed of 10-20 km/h compared to the Bf 109 E-3

koivis 08-31-2011 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1./JG2_Miller (Post 328876)
* 2 MG FF (no Minengeschosse and therefore no bullets which could cause explosive damage)

The MG FF still used normal high-explosive shells, the Minengeschoss was just a special thin-walled shell, obviously containing more much more explosive.

The Germans used HE shells in even smaller calibres, namely 13 mm MG 131, and 15 mm MG 151.

JG53Frankyboy 08-31-2011 03:08 PM

lets hope, because with the next Patch the 109E-4 and -/B will appear, that the Bf110C-4 and C-7 will get their MG-FF/M !
without these canons they are not a -4 and -7 ;)

1./JG2_Miller 08-31-2011 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by koivis (Post 329031)
The MG FF still used normal high-explosive shells, the Minengeschoss was just a special thin-walled shell, obviously containing more much more explosive.

The Germans used HE shells in even smaller calibres, namely 13 mm MG 131, and 15 mm MG 151.

You're right. I meant the normal shells in the MG FF didn't contain enough explosive to cause serious damage to a plane. For example:

Sprenggranate: 3,7 g
Brandgranate: 3,6 g + 0,4 g incendiary
Minengeschoss: 18 g

The MG131 was invented in 1940 and primarily used as defensive guns in bombers. There were some special variants of the Bf 109 which had the MG131, but these were only for Galland and his friends^^. In 1943 it became standard in most Bf 109s. Its explosive shell only contains 1,4 g explosive.

The MG151/15 had 2,8 g of explosive but was invented in early 1941 with the Bf 109 F-2, a little bit too late for the BoB.

But let's get back to topic^^. They did use some explosive shells in their MG FF's but they were pretty useless.

Redroach 08-31-2011 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flying Pencil (Post 229294)
Another list posted in E-4 debate listed these as in Beta version:
[...]
RAF AI
[...]
Avro Rota Mk.I (autogyro)
[...]

I want this to be flyable! Would that be awesome or what?


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