Originally Posted by MD_Titus (Post 433030)

well quite. stimulating a stagnant manufacturing sector in times of recession? the horror, the horror.

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway (Post 432946)

Actually the 10 highest per capital co2 producers are:


10. Falkland Islands

Originally Posted by SlipBall (Post 433049)

Will only work out well, if government subsidy's are not required to keep them afloat.:grin:

Originally Posted by MD_Titus (Post 433062)

true, but given the current climate (no pun intended) private investment is probably thin on the ground, government subsidy to kick start it is all there is. give it 5-10 years and we'll see if it's a go-er or just another waste of public funds.

Originally Posted by Porsche (Post 432943)

Here are my two cents on your comment. Take a look at this website.

http://www.globalwarminglies.com/Sun.html

I as a 14 year old kid remember watching the news in 1986 and scientists predicting in 7-12 years the earth was going to heat up because of the amount of solar flares hitting the earth. It was one of the first times they were able to truly see the effects of solar flares with satellite imagery. I never forgot this or the idiots who 10 years later started saying that driving cars was causing global warming. Today we realize even more how severe the solar flares are. I hear constantly that they are witnessing larger and larger solar flares. So I think for all of these young kids who have been bombarded with this notion that we should walk or use other means to not pollute. Please before you spout out all the propaganda you are taught at school and you hear in the media. Think for one second. Please go tell India and Russia and China who pollute more than anyone else to clean themselves up. The people that think they have some agenda to protect the earth by attacking people who can think for themselves, look at facts. Most of the people I hear attacking anyone who do not believe in Global Warming as the media portrays it are the dangerous people in our society. These are the people who are easily manipulated and can not think on their own. Many are very far left socialist/marxists. They believe in a world where everyone has to live by their beliefs or they are evil. The Kyoto Protocol called for wealthy countries to pay for other countries like China, India, Russia to continue to pollute as they want. The other countries would then tax their own people to pay for the pollutants that these countries would continue to keep polluting for decades into the future. The funny thing is no one is abiding by this protocol anymore.

http://unfccc.int/kyoto_protocol/items/2830.php

Shrinking ozone hole could speed global warming

http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/cli...global-warming

One thing I have noticed through the years are the leftist young kids that come on forums and just harass anyone with different views than theirs. They can not back anything they say with facts. Instead just repeat propaganda. For some reason these people troll forums of all type trying to force their view as though its a crusade. I have listened to these people and the older I get I realize that 90% of the time they are wrong. I am suspicious of anything that is constantly imbedded in us whether it is at school or on the news. They are doing this to collectively try to control and manipulate your thoughts to what they want. I have seen this in the Stock Market to daily life. We all know about the lies and fraud that took place from real estate to the markets. If you were one of the few people to state this before the crash you were also evil if you were intelligent enough to think for yourself and not be caught up in the propaganda. However now we hear these same people wanting to be bailed out because they can not afford their house that they never could from the beginning. In the end everyone pays for them. People use your own brain! Think for yourself and you will see the deception in front of you most of the time. Be respectful of others views. Question the people who attack your views and see them for who they really are.

Originally Posted by MadBlaster (Post 432784)

You blame the banks. I blame the borrower. There seems to be no personal responsibility anymore. This is the bigger joke. The democrats purposely worked the banking system ala GSE fannie mae/freddie mac to gain votes from the middle and lower classes. Everyone with half a brain knows this. The republicans are to blame in that they allowed it to continue. It is a socialist agenda when it comes to housing in usa. Exhibit A, the deduction of mortgage interest on the tax return. But ultimately, it is because the sub-prime borrowers welched on their obligations. It was all about the democrats selling the so called american dream of owning a home to their constituency. If you go on youtube, there is a good video somewhere pre-crisis of republicans trying to stop it, and barney frank throwing his power around to stop him. Barney Frank has since admitted it didn't work out as the thought. Really, the man should be in jail along with a lot of other people on both sides.

edit:
I should add, "the state" didn't bailout the banks in usa. the taxpayer did. Most people don't even pay income tax here. So, ultimately, it was wealth transfer scheme from the taxpayers to the deadbeats and massive collateral damage economically as side effect.