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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II (Post 315595)

I keep on repeating is my opinion, which is driven by common sense, and again, apparently the idea of having regular and effective updates is the will of the majority here, you are the minority.

Yes, you are repeating your opinion, driven by YOUR interpretation of common sense.

My interpretation of common sense obviously differs from yours.

The kind of black and white thinking that you show here is part of the problem, otherwise you couldn't have come to the conclusion that i wouldn't like a regular and effective update.

I am over the "I want" - state, as it to often collides with reality.

And i definitely don't need another progress report, as we got one with Luthiers post.

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Originally Posted by bongodriver (Post 315601)

yeah i'd give my left bollock to fly one, beautiful machine, next time I bump into Anna Walker I might charm her into letting me climb in hers and take her to heaven and back......maybe fly her Jungmann too........sorry but even for a lady of maturity she jingles my bells :grin:

Only met Anna once, through a mate who works for Classic Wings at Duxford.
Thats one lucky lady, with a great job!

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Originally Posted by Bewolf (Post 315600)

My apologies if you felt offended. I just took the same route as you did with "over the top" comparisons. I thought you knew what I ment. Sorry if you took it too seriously.

It's ok.

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But consider this. You blamed the devs of buying time to fix this game. Going this route, you should be perfectly happy they released the game in the first place loooong before it was ready for that.

Of course I am happy, but this is not the point. They were late on their delivery with Ubisoft, remember what Oleg said? The cause for this can be anything: poor managing, little resources, stuff that needed to be redone from scracth.. I dunno, not my problem, and again, I'm happy they delivered the game as it is, but for the love of honesty and respect, tell the community that the money they're spending is a long term investment on a yet to be completed alpha. Il-2 was nowhere near this bad when it originally came out, and the bad reviews they received with CoD have done them no good.

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Or let's put it in a different way. How, do you think are regular development updatesgoing to fix this game any faster?

It won't, but that's not my interest. Regular updates are useful to the community to know on which feedback aspects they can help and to show the newcomers that the game is far from dead, there's a lot of work going on and a very professional one. When you want to go pro, you need to behave like a pro.

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I will repeat that I personally would prefer regular updates myself. I, too, think that spending ten minutes to write down a forum post is not too much an effort and would please lots of folks that simply want to have a bit more clarity after waiting years for the IL2 follow up. However, I won't lose a night's sleep if this is not going to happen and one day we get a huge update bringing this game to a playable state at once (and even that is relative, as I have already logged 150 hours with CoD).

Let's bring it down to the core of the question. Do you think Maddox Games is working on fixing the game, or aren't they?

Oh no, of course they are, but they're leaving it all to an oblivious state of "it's fixed when it's fixed" which, again for the laws of Public Relations, marketing and common sense, it's not a good idea, especially when you sell for good an unfinished product.

Do you understand my point better now?

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Originally Posted by bongodriver (Post 315601)

lol perv! ;-)

truth is that you don't really know what jingles your bells more: the Bucker or the Babe ;-)

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Originally Posted by robtek (Post 315603)

Yes, you are repeating your opinion, driven by YOUR interpretation of common sense.

My interpretation of common sense obviously differs from yours.

you can't interpret common sense, either you have it or you don't, here, for further reference
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_sense

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The kind of black and white thinking that you show here is part of the problem, otherwise you couldn't have come to the conclusion that i wouldn't like a regular and effective update.

you don't, cos if you do you're contradicting yourself.

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I am over the "I want" - state, as it to often collides with reality.

And i definitely don't need another progress report, as we got one with Luthiers post.

good for you, Robtek, good for you. Met many trolls in my life, but you are by far one of the most fascinating ones.

To call someone a troll for expressing his opinion in a civil manner does fall back on you.

And no, i didn't contradict myself, as you were so kind to point out, there is a difference between "i'd like", "i want" and "i need", easy to overlook when generalizing.

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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II (Post 315611)

Of course I am happy, but this is not the point. They were late on their delivery with Ubisoft, remember what Oleg said? The cause for this can be anything: poor managing, little resources, stuff that needed to be redone from scracth.. I dunno, not my problem, and again, I'm happy they delivered the game as it is, but for the love of honesty and respect, tell the community that the money they're spending is a long term investment on a yet to be completed alpha. Il-2 was nowhere near this bad when it originally came out, and the bad reviews they received with CoD have done them no good.

My same opinion.
I don't care about the money I've spent: I would pay again to support guys who are developing a product for a small market like flight sims are.
But if I'm investing in you then I would like to see what are you doing and I want to know the real state of the application.

At start I blamed the anti epilessy filter because it was ruining the game... was that the real problem of CloD?

If it was a beta version I might be more patient: fixing issues is easy since the game's base is solid... instead it's an alpha and makes me think of this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoGWuK5e_nY

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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II (Post 315611)

It's ok.

Of course I am happy, but this is not the point. They were late on their delivery with Ubisoft, remember what Oleg said? The cause for this can be anything: poor managing, little resources, stuff that needed to be redone from scracth.. I dunno, not my problem, and again, I'm happy they delivered the game as it is, but for the love of honesty and respect, tell the community that the money they're spending is a long term investment on a yet to be completed alpha. Il-2 was nowhere near this bad when it originally came out, and the bad reviews they received with CoD have done them no good.

It won't, but that's not my interest. Regular updates are useful to the community to know on which feedback aspects they can help and to show the newcomers that the game is far from dead, there's a lot of work going on and a very professional one. When you want to go pro, you need to behave like a pro.

Oh no, of course they are, but they're leaving it all to an oblivious state of "it's fixed when it's fixed" which, again for the laws of Public Relations, marketing and common sense, it's not a good idea, especially when you sell for good an unfinished product.

Do you understand my point better now?

I never saw Maddox Games as "Pros". More like nerds like us that want to make this Sim happen with lots of personal sacrifices involved. They clearly are not in the game development for purely moneys sake, else they would have gone the Silent Hunter V route a long time ago, or the RoF route, charging for individual airplanes.

I understand your point very well, but it applies more to a big publisher like Ubisoft or EA, not a small russian Sim development team that does not get paid for any extras, especially not for diretly communicating with an abusive fanbase that tends to rip of arms when presented a little finger and is full of an entitelment attitude that was unheared of just 20 years ago. In the past, development updates just caused people to flame even more because their specific problem was not adressed. In all seriousness, Maddox Games is still consiting of human beings, in doubt seriously overworked and tired human beings. Them not being able or willing to respond in a careful manner with all the sh+tstorms on this forum is not really so wonderous.

Anyone getting deja vu?

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Originally Posted by furbs (Post 315624)

Anyone getting deja vu?

I've had it for some 45 pages so far :P