1+ Skoshi Tiger,

you said it as i've would if i had your way with words :D :D :D

man, there's no point. If anything I have learned yet another lesson about human nature: even when you think there can't be any other possible side to a discussion, here comes one.

Some of you are turning it into a matter of who's right and who's wrong, the sad reality is that we're all on the same side, we just have different patience thresholds.

The truth is that objectively, no private business can behave like this and think to get away with it, and Maddox Games is no different. Yes, there's not much we can do, but the truth is that this kind of behaviour will only make things bitter until they prove that our concerns are unmotivated.

meh, these kind of people left the forum long ago, I think we're left with the hard core of fans here.

Hardly. Can't think of any valid alternative being developed, Maddox knows this well and that's why they're behaving like this, which is even more despicable. But yes, if it happens they can kiss their moderate success goodbye.

again, this is a misinterpretation of what most of us are asking: we don't need updates on petty things, just updates made in an intelligent manner from a very intelligent person who shows respect and facts to other intelligent people.

They presented facts!

some people took offense by the presentation.

It seems as if there wasn't more to tell, atm.

To evaluate the intelligence of the poster of the presentation by it is very daring, as some replyers took this post as witty, funny even hilarious.

Regarding to the post before your last:

So just give them some time to prove it, i'd say.

Your prob right Tiger, i dont think the "team" haven't been working as hard as they can, i should edit my post.

I guess i mean the lead and direction of the team and development has been shambolic "in my eyes".

To me, some of the development decisions have been almost deliberately made to hinder COD.

Thats where im coming from, i hope you understand me better now.

So youre cool with buying full-prize stuff that doesnt work because "sometime" it might get fixed?

I've just read a brilliant quote from a forum member in another thread, by a certain Albert Einstein, who said "You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother".

Here's how I would explain it to my grandma: "Grandma, the whole Luthier last post thing is like making a joke in a place where it's totally uncalled for, like, I dunno, a joke on concentration camps during a Jewish funeral?" :rolleyes:

You really need a life, comparing a development update with a holocaust joke is a good indicator for "girlfriend urgently required".

The question is simply one of personality, being the "glass is half full or glass is half empty" type of person. Did you follow IL2? Then you know it's going to be fixed. The way updates in a forum are handled are as important to this process as a dancing mechanic is to fixing a car. It's nice, it's a bonus, ppl feel better but when it comes to fixing the product, it's totally redundant.
Lot's of prima donnas here, though, prefering style over substance.

Aaaargh! *facepalm* Beowolf, it was an example of an out of place joke, don't take it literally. Got a girlfriend btw, don't see the relation with needing a life, a girlfriend and the explanation of a joke out of place situation.

Blackdog, I can't really disagree with much you say but I do believe we have a right to be told progress on the repair of our faulty goods. Its that simple and stands up in any other commercial/retail case. That is in fact a 'middle of the road' approach, I am not demanding my money back because I want to stay with them, I am not threatening to sue them or refer them/UBI to a Trading Standards body, I just want to know what I can expect by way of meaningful information.

I have suggested that Luthier give us meaningful status reports on the progress of the key faults in a locked thread and if people want to scream at each other they can raise their own thread. I won't be in there because I am really only interested in what Luthier has to say.

The reason some of us post and post again is in the hope that our posts will catch Luthier's eye among the other debris in here. We do not have any other way of getting his attention. What really worries me is that he must have heard our simple case but he still doesn't give his paid-up customers a simple status report on key defects in their product. I don't call that viewpoint 'disrespecting Luthier' but I think MG have fallen into the trap of disrespecting their customers. They are in default.

I think the majority of people in these threads are behind MG and CoD or they just wouldn't be here. Some are happy to wait indefinitely for a patch, some of us are not. That doesn't give the former the right to speak on MGs behalf and it doesn't make the latter expectation wrong but you are right that we keep getting dragged into old arguments that actually do not need to exist and would not if MG would simply keep us properly informed.