I am a professional genetic scientist/protein engineer. I started out working next to a new research institute, all swoopy architecture and weird piping poking out the top. Security was tight. We all wondered, what really went on in there? Alien ship on the top floor with frozen bodies? Cold fusion reactor?

I started working there a couple years ago and it turned out to be pretty boring, just the same thing again. Floors and floors of modestly paid scientists on depressing short term contracts, delegating work to attractive young students, trying to find objective truths about problems small and large in scope. No alien ship on the top floor, just a ping pong table (but a nice view area and BBQ).

We Scientists (not a climatologist btw) just try our best, for reasons we doubt ourselves sometimes, to present the closest to the objective truth we can produce and hope someone actually reads it. From our clever predecessors we know all the ways that humans can delude themselves in technical arguments when they want something to be true, and we pounce on other scientists in meetings when they make those mistakes. We can be smartarses in forums pointing out when non scientists show these argument biases again and again and again.

But it's not our fault when politicos try to produce policies that benefit their cronies or increase taxation while sounding green. Or when a weatherman says that the hurricane last month was because of global warming, or that the cold snap last week disproves global warming. Or if a coal mine closes, then reopens with the coal dyed green, marketing them as "antiwarming green gaia powerrocks (tm)"

The scientific consensus on global warming is very clear, and has been verified by multiple avenues of research and multiple groups of scientists who probably don't like each other that much. Sorry.

camber

P.S Global warming actually got me into trouble during my PhD. I calibrated my CO2 analyser using a textbook that gave the 1975 atmospheric content of CO2. After my data was a bit weird my boss pointed out I better check, it had gone up a lot since then :)

I can see it now. Scientists playing ping pong, back and forth, frying up big fat steaks on the BBQ while calibrating their CO2 meters. Please tell us now you work for GE or Monsanto.

Sorry, I try to restrain myself. But gee whiz.:-P

Ok I'll put it another way, when has marxism ever not led to tyranny and mass murder?

Yeah, I think it's worth giving up on.

LOL .... and to think in the mid 70's we were all heading for the big global freeze, the next ice age.

Even if man was contributing to global warming, how long do you think it would take to stop it, or slow it down ... decades, by which time I've heard many scientists say we don't have that long. So I pose the question, if it was really that dire, wouldn't the authorites be stopping ALL industires that produce CO2? Ha ... fat chance.

Man made global warming / freezing ... bah hum bug. It's called progress and no one wants to stop it.

It's as if you think the top tier gives a flying f*** about the future. They care about the now. Quick profits runs the world, not morals. If they know they can live their 50-100 years without some major world ending catastrophe, they don't care. That's how society works.

I don't see much progress in anything tbh. We are ruining the planet for our own existence. People buy bottled water like it's going out of style because 50% of the natural water supply is contaminated by "progress". The only progress I see is making more ways to kill each other both with governments and large corporations all in the name of making money. (weapons, side effects, poverty, etc.,etc.)

But if anyone honestly thinks we can sustain the amount of fossil fuels we are using for 100's of years to come, reality will indeed knock us back into the stone age again. We are definitely not on a path for any sort of prolonged sustainment. Anyone that thinks the world will be fine forever and ever again at our current pace is very very uninformed. I'm just glad I'll be long gone before the eventual wake up call, but in a way I wish I was around for when we ran out of oil.

It'll be interesting watching the droves of people who can't change a light bulb, wire a house, sweat a pipe, build your own home, grow food etc., (in other words, without any of sort of self sustainment ability) run around like clueless morons when they can't turn on their A/C, go to the grocery store, navigate without GPS etc.,etc.,. I don't wish death on anyone, but I love people that think their iphone, internet, television, is life's necessities. Well enough of that ;)

were progressing alright...and we will look like Geidi prime in no time :grin:

Maybe, but man will have had little to do with it.

no need to be around Bliss...just rent the road warrior...that should give you an idea of what it will be like:-P gazaleen aye?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n29c-q3_8Q

Man only controls it's own destiny. Planet Earth and mother nature will always win. We are just a parasite in the scheme of things. But when we ruin our own eco system, we'll be gone. And the world will just keep on a turnin'. ;)

yes yes! Mad max now! Break a deal, face the wheel! Two men enter, one man leave!