@Letum

2,8-3G means nothing in the Game,
if this will be not fixed you are unable to make good defensive figures at medium speeds!
Other flyable Bombers can all pull more G than the 111H2 and it looks uneven in my eyes!
If 2,8-3G for he111h2 is realistic number, than i think many other planes need a negative fix! ;)

I have found some data for the He111 here :
http://www.bredow-web.de/Sinsheim-Sp..._111_h-16.html
there one can read :

Safe load factor in recovering in relation to the aircraft center of gravity:

2,9 g at 11,6 tons
3,1 g at 11,0 tons
3,4 g at 10,0 tons
3,6 g at 9,5 tons

If thats the safe figures the damage should occur at much higher g-loads.

Av, can you get AI planes to despawn in MDS? I can't.

Empty TO weight H-2 in game: ~12 tons.
TO weight H-2 with 8x250kg bombs: ~14 tons
Safe g-limit when applying RL data: ~2.8g / 2.4g against structural damage
Safety factor in Germany at that time: 1.5 to complete failure.
Instant failure for in game weights: 4.2 g / 3.6 g

Summary: He 111H-2 failing at about 3 g -> ok.

Always despawn for me, and I didn't do anything magic. Just checked the appropriate box.

If 20% difference is ok for you????
Fully loaded with 100% fuel it should share its wings, or else, at 3.6 g, not 3.
And sincerly, fully loaded with 100% fuel we have only at the start.
Do ALL bombers have their limits below the real data or only some??

No, there should be chance of it shedding wings eventually from 2.8 g onwards. They should certainly fail at 4.2g (empty, 100%).

I tested all the He 111 variants and found some interesting results:

He 111 H-2, empty, 10% fuel: 2,8/4,2
He 111 H-2, 8xSC250, 100% fuel: 1,9/2,8 (<- is this the ~3G you got?)

He 111 H-6, empty, 10% fuel: 5,1/7,6
He 111 H-6, 1xSC2000, 100% fuel: 3,3/5,0

He 111 H-12, 1xFritz-X, 100% fuel: 3,5/5,2

It seems that H-2 and H-6&12 have totally different G-limits. H-2 is indeed more fragile than the link posted by robtek suggest, but then that data is for H-16. H-6, on the other hand, is amazingly durable. In empty loadout and with low fuel, I managed to get the wings off at over 6G, and even that needed some "softening" first. I'm thinking that both could be wrong, but any plane modelled with too low G-limits is not good for the game.

EDIT: the way to test these is very simple. Turn on the no-cockpit HUD view, dive, pull up slowly. When the G-number display turns red, you are within 25% of the service limit. Service limit = red number / 0,75; break limit = service limit x 1,5.

Maybe it's possible for me to ask a couple of veterans from 322Squadron how they trimmed the various Spitfre types and how the ladies behaved.

Some of the veterans I spoke with a couple of years ago I asked how she flew... they all gave the same answer more or less.. 'she flies as she looks'

*ot* great pictures ivank. Got more?

Hi TD,

got a graphics bug: in the early spitfire MkIXc, with the rounded vertical tail, the last LOD that casts shadows, is missing the shadow for left wing mid(?) section.

Cheers!