Originally Posted by jimson8 (Post 432655)

Where has it ever worked and why do some still think that it can?

Originally Posted by ATAG_Doc (Post 432657)

Talking to climate change advocates long enough and the conversation goes from climate change to wealth inequity to income redistribution using climate change and the vehicle to achieve this change.

It's all spelled out in dozens of radicals books.

Look all around the world as all the civilizations that came and went before ours.

Ours too will meet the same fate as all the rest before ours and there isn't anything we can do collectively or alone.

Originally Posted by kendo65 (Post 432654)

Tell that to someone in Greece at the moment, or one of the 50% of Spanish youth who find themselves without jobs, or the thousands in Ireland who have had to emigrate.
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Originally Posted by MD_Titus (Post 432668)

that's a wonderfully simplistic view.

Originally Posted by kendo65 (Post 432654)

We've seem the full gamut in threads on this very forum over the last few weeks - everything from those mad corrupted scientists through the (usual suspect) Marxists and socialists, athiests, even homosexuals a few weeks back. Everything is fair game if it allows them to sustain their cosy cocoon of denial.

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway (Post 432673)

Personally I would choose to blame the vegetarians.

Originally Posted by kendo65 (Post 432650)

In UK the richest 1% control a quarter of the total wealth.
69% of land is owned by 0.3 % of the population.
In 1997 the Uk's thousand richest held wealth of £99 billion; in 2010 this had risen to £336 billion.

In both USA and UK over the last 30 years real wages have declined - a direct consequence of neoliberal economics with ever-increasing globalisation and outsourcing of jobs. This decline in real wages was the main reason for the massive expansion in credit needed by ordinary families to sustain their standard of living. We saw how that ended in 2008.

Forget your socialist and Marxist bogeymen. Your real worry should be the current version of capitalism that is the most efficient means ever devised of transferring wealth from the middle and lower classes to the already rich.

As the American and European middle classes continue to see their standard of living eroded, and as we edge closer to the seemingly inevitable collapse of the Euro maybe you should remind yourself that it wasn't Marxism or socialism that created this mess.

edit: and the atheists didn't have too much to do with it either.. ;)

and I'll just point out that I don't consider myself to be either a socialist, Marxist or athiest

Originally Posted by arthursmedley (Post 432674)

My God, you're right! Hitler was a veggy. So was Gandhi and L. Ron Hubbard!!