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madrebel 03-06-2011 04:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blampars (Post 231165)
Don't have a specific reason why I want that, I'm just trying to wrap my head around how it all works with the different options available in setting up the CH hotas :)
what i've found is if i can think it up i can either do it via the .cmc file or someone who knows cms much better than i do can make a script for me over at ch-hangar.com.

i don't know the cms scripting that well but from waht i've seen over on their forums you can do pretty much anything you want with a script.

blampars 03-06-2011 04:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by madrebel (Post 231209)
what i've found is if i can think it up i can either do it via the .cmc file or someone who knows cms much better than i do can make a script for me over at ch-hangar.com.

i don't know the cms scripting that well but from waht i've seen over on their forums you can do pretty much anything you want with a script.
eventually i hope to learn the scripting on my own.. plan on playing with that script posted above for the mini joystick and hopefully i can get a better feel for how things work as a whole with CH CM.. Crazy how customizable everything is!

SsSsSsSsSnake 03-06-2011 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by blampars (Post 231164)
LOL +10 on this one :)

lol Im still trying to set up 1946 :)

Revvin 03-06-2011 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by madrebel (Post 231208)
does it limit even if not using DX buttons? i have never had the fighter stick and the combo with combat stick is exactly 32 buttons.
Each device doesn't have more than 32 buttons so you can use it without any mapping software and Direct X will see all of them up to its limit of 32 buttons and 8 axis. The Fighterstick has three axis 19 buttons and an 8 way POV hat. In my opinion better to leave them as separate devices so you can map commands to every button and more on top when you use 3 modes as standard or have 4 modes using CMS script plus you can have shifted functions on each of those buttons too if you really want to go to town on it. I don't think I've ever maxed out the number of combinations I could program on a CH HOTAS without using every single command in a game just for the hell of it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by blampars (Post 231212)
eventually i hope to learn the scripting on my own.. plan on playing with that script posted above for the mini joystick and hopefully i can get a better feel for how things work as a whole with CH CM.. Crazy how customizable everything is!
I started the CH Hangar site because I came from using Thrustmaster gear and so the CH Control Manager software was still new to me. I made some maps, learnt how to program so the site was set up to share my profiles and help others with theirs and its grown into what it is now. A lot of what I picked up either came straight out of the manual or from the help of others at the CH Hangar including help from Bob Church who actually writes the Control Manager software. Things like the script I mentioned about switching the X and Y axis from one device to another on the fly with the press of one button came straight out of the Control Manager manual. It was a script in its entirety in the manual and the example given for it was for two yokes in a flight sim trainer so the trainer could off hand control to his yoke to the pupil. I saw this and thought "why couldn't I switch these axis not just between two identical devices but two different devices like a joystick and yoke?" so I copied it in and tried it out. 531_Ghost has also created a handy beginners guide to the Control Manager software here which covers the basics of mapping.


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Originally Posted by SsSsSsSsSnake (Post 231225)
lol Im still trying to set up 1946 :)
LOL I never put revision numbers to my IL-2 profile as I'd have run out of numbers years ago :)

Hecke 03-06-2011 12:01 PM
Hi,

is the Thrustmaster Hotas Cougar recommendable?
I am looking at a precise Hotas and the hotas warthog is actually too expensive for me. Can the Cougar compete to the Warthog?
Or would you guys advice me to spent the extra 70-150 buccs for the warthog?
Thx for help.

TheGrunch 03-06-2011 01:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hecke (Post 231294)
Hi,

is the Thrustmaster Hotas Cougar recommendable?
I am looking at a precise Hotas and the hotas warthog is actually too expensive for me. Can the Cougar compete to the Warthog?
Or would you guys advice me to spent the extra 70-150 buccs for the warthog?
Thx for help.
From what I understand, stock Cougars are very much worse than stock Warthogs, and modded Cougars are more expensive than the Warthog. Don't take me as a reliable source, though, I haven't tried either. I would wait for some detailed opinions of guys who've tried/owned both.

ghodan 03-06-2011 06:56 PM
I owned a cougar until 3 weeks ago.
They are not precise.
I sold it and bought a full CH setup (i am still waiting for my order.. ggrrrr)

So its simple: Stay away from a thrustmaster cougar if your want precision.
If you want super precision for low price then go:
http://www.thrustmaster.com/product....3&PlatformID=5
But it feels like a toy.
And the looks dont fit a WW2 combat sim (Yeah i know, a warthog,CH fighterstick etc also dont have the correct looks. But at least the Warthog is from metal and the CH dont look like a child's toy etc)

Revvin 03-06-2011 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ghodan (Post 231367)
I sold it and bought a full CH setup (i am still waiting for my order.. ggrrrr)
Ouch! where did you order from? its been a few weeks now?

tintifaxl 03-06-2011 09:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hecke (Post 231294)
Hi,

is the Thrustmaster Hotas Cougar recommendable?
I am looking at a precise Hotas and the hotas warthog is actually too expensive for me. Can the Cougar compete to the Warthog?
Or would you guys advice me to spent the extra 70-150 buccs for the warthog?
Thx for help.
I got my Warthog with Saitek Combat Pedals on Friday replacing my Logitech G940 and I can recommend it wholeheartedly. The stick is very precise.

SsSsSsSsSnake 03-06-2011 09:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Revvin (Post 231278)
Each device doesn't have more than 32 buttons so you can use it without any mapping software and Direct X will see all of them up to its limit of 32 buttons and 8 axis. The Fighterstick has three axis 19 buttons and an 8 way POV hat. In my opinion better to leave them as separate devices so you can map commands to every button and more on top when you use 3 modes as standard or have 4 modes using CMS script plus you can have shifted functions on each of those buttons too if you really want to go to town on it. I don't think I've ever maxed out the number of combinations I could program on a CH HOTAS without using every single command in a game just for the hell of it.



I started the CH Hangar site because I came from using Thrustmaster gear and so the CH Control Manager software was still new to me. I made some maps, learnt how to program so the site was set up to share my profiles and help others with theirs and its grown into what it is now. A lot of what I picked up either came straight out of the manual or from the help of others at the CH Hangar including help from Bob Church who actually writes the Control Manager software. Things like the script I mentioned about switching the X and Y axis from one device to another on the fly with the press of one button came straight out of the Control Manager manual. It was a script in its entirety in the manual and the example given for it was for two yokes in a flight sim trainer so the trainer could off hand control to his yoke to the pupil. I saw this and thought "why couldn't I switch these axis not just between two identical devices but two different devices like a joystick and yoke?" so I copied it in and tried it out. 531_Ghost has also created a handy beginners guide to the Control Manager software here which covers the basics of mapping.




LOL I never put revision numbers to my IL-2 profile as I'd have run out of numbers years ago :)
HI Rev,interesting that you were at the forefront of CH hangar, ok being a complete newbie with CH gear re the software,whats the best way of learning it step by step.it just seems a bit overwelming.
i have the Fighter stick pro throttle and pedals.
thanks for your time,its appreciated.
ssssssssnake

Revvin 03-06-2011 10:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SsSsSsSsSnake (Post 231405)
HI Rev,interesting that you were at the forefront of CH hangar, ok being a complete newbie with CH gear re the software,whats the best way of learning it step by step.it just seems a bit overwelming.
i have the Fighter stick pro throttle and pedals.
thanks for your time,its appreciated.
ssssssssnake
Its really just a case of reading the manual and trying things, don't be afraid to get in there and try somethign out its not like you can break anything. Before my current CH setup I had a HOTAS Cougar and the programming for that was not very user friendly at all compared to the GUI Control Manager had and what most other joystick manufacturers have created since for their sticks.

There were no guide's really which was why I set up the CH Hangar site. Since then a lot of users have contributed so now its easier than ever with guide's like the one I linked to above which will get you started. For scripting I'd suggest just trying out some of the sample scripts in the Control Manager manual which is included with the software. The scripts may not do exactly what you want but by typing them in and then testing them you'll get a grasp of how it works and just little nuggets of information you learn from that will help you branch out further. I'm not an expert with CMS script but if you post at the CH Hangar site I'm sure Bob Church among others can help you.

SsSsSsSsSnake 03-06-2011 10:50 PM
thanks Rev,will do :)

Sauf 03-10-2011 06:38 AM
Ordered my saitek combat pedals on the 4/03 from an online store that said it had them in stock and my order status has been "packing for shipment" for the last 5 days.

Sometimes I hate the internet! Cant even throw a brick through the bastards window.

SsSsSsSsSnake 03-10-2011 06:52 AM
lol hope they come soon, meanwhile the ch hangar is fun lol

blampars 03-10-2011 10:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sauf (Post 232780)
Ordered my saitek combat pedals on the 4/03 from an online store that said it had them in stock and my order status has been "packing for shipment" for the last 5 days.

Sometimes I hate the internet! Cant even throw a brick through the bastards window.
Man I feel your pain. I called and emailed tigerdirect every day about my order after about 3 days of waiting. I think from here on out I will order my high end equipment directly from the manufacturer if possible. Although Amazon came through really quick with my pedals and throttle, I was pretty impressed.

Where did you order your stuff from?

Royraiden 03-10-2011 12:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sauf (Post 232780)
Ordered my saitek combat pedals on the 4/03 from an online store that said it had them in stock and my order status has been "packing for shipment" for the last 5 days.

Sometimes I hate the internet! Cant even throw a brick through the bastards window.
Trust me, I know exactly how you feel.Blamps,they actually charged me for the stick,after more than one month after the purchase :(

ghodan 03-10-2011 01:01 PM
WHOOO after 3.5 weeks of waiting my CH full setup is going to be send today.
So tomorow or the day after i will be unpacking 4 CH products boxes.

Royraiden 03-10-2011 01:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ghodan (Post 232885)
WHOOO after 3.5 weeks of waiting my CH full setup is going to be send today.
So tomorow or the day after i will be unpacking 4 CH products boxes.
At last!!You wont be dissapointed.The fourth item is the quadrant?

blampars 03-10-2011 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Royraiden (Post 232859)
Blamps,they actually charged me for the stick,after more than one month after the purchase :(
Damn! It figures. I wonder what took them so long? They charged me almost immediately.

blampars 03-10-2011 01:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ghodan (Post 232885)
WHOOO after 3.5 weeks of waiting my CH full setup is going to be send today.
So tomorow or the day after i will be unpacking 4 CH products boxes.
Awesome! You'll love the equipment, I'm sure.

Royraiden 03-10-2011 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by blampars (Post 232893)
Damn! It figures. I wonder what took them so long? They charged me almost immediately.
As far as I know it was not Tiger's fault.They just gave me the information the other retailer gave them.Lol I received the tracking number for that order 2 days after the package had arrived.

ghodan 03-12-2011 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Royraiden (Post 229092)
I tried mapping the hotas controls to fly the helicopter in Bad Company 2 but got no luck.What should I do?
I have done it.
Like i said, BF bad comp 2 can only use 1 "joystick".
I could not map any of my CH gear in the joystick fields of the menu options in BF.
Then i realized i have a Belkin N52 hooked up to my pc.
It acts as a joystick/gamepad/programeble keyboard.

Unplugged it.
Made my CH pedals, quad , fighterstick 1 device. Loaded the map in mapped mode. Started BF bad comp 2 and i could just map everything i needed in the heli controls without mapping stuff as keys on my CH gear.


And yes my CH gear arrived.
But i am angry as hell , to moody to play and talk.... after 4 weeks of waiting for my gear they forgot to send the freaking CH Pro throttle!!!!!

And to answer your question you posted some time ago, yes the 4th item is a CH throttle quad.

Note: Unpacked everything moody as @#&*^#@*&^$( but then holding the CH gear feeling the quality.... made me smile for a few seconds. Then i whent into rage mode again.

:evil:

SsSsSsSsSnake 03-12-2011 07:54 PM
can almost see and feel the frustration mate:-x

Sauf 03-12-2011 08:05 PM
Know how you feel Ghodan, my order status has been "packing for shipment" since the 5/03. How long to pack a box ffs! Obviously they had none in stock despite assuring me they had them in stock before i placed my order. Bastards

blampars 03-13-2011 02:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sauf (Post 233781)
Know how you feel Ghodan, my order status has been "packing for shipment" since the 5/03. How long to pack a box ffs! Obviously they had none in stock despite assuring me they had them in stock before i placed my order. Bastards
I either don't recall, or you didn't mention. Watcha gettin? :)

Sauf 03-13-2011 02:37 AM
Hey Blampers ordered the saitek combat pedals from
http://www.techbuy.com.au/p/164100/J...ACRP003503.asp

currently have a x52 and the pedals are a first step to a warthog

Cheers

ghodan 03-19-2011 10:05 AM
YES YES YES.

My CH Products setup is complete.
It took a 5 week wait. But its just in time for Cliffs of Dover.

The quality is AWESOME.
Yes i had a Thrustmaster Cougar and a saitek X35 and x45 and some logitech sticks. But CH Products.... man the quality :cool:

Check it out
http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/9098/mysetup1.jpg

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3001/chgoodies1.jpg

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/529/chcloseup1.jpg

desmodronic 03-19-2011 11:11 AM
The best thing about CH Products is that in 5 years they might be a bit dustier but the precision will still be there. Fabulous kit

No601_Merlin 03-19-2011 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by desmodronic (Post 236180)
The best thing about CH Products is that in 5 years they might be a bit dustier but the precision will still be there. Fabulous kit
I can say from experience that after 7 years they are still as good as the day I bought them AND you can get spare parts if needed, unlike Saitek.

blampars 03-19-2011 12:46 PM
Awesome! Glad you finally got all your stuff man. :)

Royraiden 03-19-2011 02:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ghodan (Post 236160)
YES YES YES.

My CH Products setup is complete.
It took a 5 week wait. But its just in time for Cliffs of Dover.

The quality is AWESOME.
Yes i had a Thrustmaster Cougar and a saitek X35 and x45 and some logitech sticks. But CH Products.... man the quality :cool:

Check it out
http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/9098/mysetup1.jpg

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3001/chgoodies1.jpg

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/529/chcloseup1.jpg
Great, Im glad for you.I see some Sennheisers over there, HD555?

ghodan 03-19-2011 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Royraiden (Post 236223)
Great, Im glad for you.I see some Sennheisers over there, HD555?
Yeah i am using the Sennheiser HD 555 with TrackIr clip pro.
Zalman ZM-MIC 1 attached on the headset cable.

Revvin 03-19-2011 04:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ghodan (Post 236160)
YES YES YES.

My CH Products setup is complete.
It took a 5 week wait. But its just in time for Cliffs of Dover.

The quality is AWESOME.
Yes i had a Thrustmaster Cougar and a saitek X35 and x45 and some logitech sticks. But CH Products.... man the quality :cool:

Check it out
http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/9098/mysetup1.jpg

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3001/chgoodies1.jpg

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/529/chcloseup1.jpg
Nice setup! You should be more than covered for IL-2:CoD!

Quote:
Originally Posted by desmodronic (Post 236180)
The best thing about CH Products is that in 5 years they might be a bit dustier but the precision will still be there. Fabulous kit
Yes, mine is around 8 years old and feels as good and functions as well as the day I took them out of the box

310_Obluda 06-20-2011 07:16 PM
Lefties
 
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Originally Posted by Sokol1 (Post 221021)
Don't know more details about this DIY "WWII Hotas" (for lefties), but show nice ideas, modified car seat, extend stick (probable with DIY gimbal) with angled grip, throttle/button box with rotaries for trim (notice decals):

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5016/wwiihotas.jpg

Probable made with USB card like L.Bodnar BU0836 and grips from old stiks.



Sokol1
Hello all,

Interesting. I have found by coincident in google picture of my own simpit.
I was not publishing this much on internetional forums, but if you are interestedhere, i can post some more.
My simpit is simply never finished. I am alway trying to keep it as much as possible functional for regular dogfights and from time to time i make some update to move forward. So from easthetic point of view it is maybe not interesting. But mechanically it is I have to say....goooood :cool:

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/5340/img5259w.th.jpg


http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/724/img5264q.th.jpg

http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/3664/img5394x.th.jpg

I have no force feedback in there. But there are significant forces whithin system. In edge of control column i have some 10kg on grip. ailerons are slighty softer than elevator. On full pedal i have staticly about 15kg + i have additionally personally tuned monotube shock absorbers, which are generating significant damping of movement at higher velocities. Toe brakes are also stiff ...too stiff, I need to soften them and equip with potentiometres.

Also I want to introduce new grip made from wood and based on late-war US grips, remake electronic for new one, create weapons control panel, radio panel for teamspeak. I need to add ventilation for summer months, I want to make some cover to make it nicer, I want to do new throttle.....etc. Just never-ending story :) But family is first, so it will take some time...years most propably :)

If you want some technical details, post it here, i can make whatever picture. I have also more or less everything in Sketchup


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