Remember this post.. a few years from now.. when you ask yourself why no one is making games (flight sims) for PCs anymore and the only games (flight sims) you can by are for the X-Box and are dumbed down for the X-Box masses

Because it is attitudes like that which will make that day come sooner than later

Agreed BUT the competition will also know how hard it is to get up to the high bar and they may leave things short but working which we the consumers may have to decide on.
You can have a sim of less quality working or wait for Clod which may be a while yet.
Graphics will improve in time as advances are made but will the research into accuracy follow or will they settle for arcade sell = high numbers.

I'm also trying to preserve judgment until the final release version of the patch is out but here it is, pop-up clouds, a myriad of new graphical bugs, FM fixes that are not really fixed (G.50 over 3000 meters is still a brick with decreasing performance), a.i fixes that are not really fixed (wingmen still doing yarn old seppuku) just to mention a few I've noticed myself.

I still have hope the final version will be better. Still though:
"Clouds cause constant FPS drop; grass and trees cause hick-ups. A few extra days of work for this, a few days for grass, few days for clouds, we felt that we could start open testing the patch without waiting for these changes."

After over half a year waiting for this, those words just makes me go http://somj.org/images/smilies/ROTFLMAO.gif

I don't believe that those are the only choices.

It's clear to those of us who retain objective viewpoints that the sim has been bungled on a massive scale (and no, Tagert, I'm not crying because I don't realize this is a beta patch).

Well you should see how many times that has been said about IL2 Sturmovik in the past. It seems simple but obviously is not. Knowing the exact way the game code reacts to FM changes is the key to understanding why they never can get it right. Despite all the graphs and other data available.

I can assure you that in DM/FM field it will go back and forth if the sim keeps going.

That is ever questionable.

I don`t think that anyone that knows something about Soviet planes would deny that most of them have been modeled in IL2 in the more say "optimistic" way. Soviet airforce didn`t lose hundrets of aircraft just to inexperienced pilots, and that is what IL2 makes you think.
Proves that the Russian market has a big unfluence on what Oleg did to the FM.

Translating that for other markets, I think that in some more popular MMO arcade sims the P-51, the Spitfire and the FW190 are bound to be made by according to certain "selling" points : easy controls, superior performance to most opponents, no construction related faults.

Well that's a fact, those debates will never end and most sane people of the fan base ignores them, still it would be nice if the devs could -over a year after release- get the basics done, e.g working a.i commands down. I'm primarily an offliner and that there -not performance issues or CTD's mind you- is one of my biggest gripes with this game.

Maybe you should only speak for yourself. Because if you want another monthly ban then I`ll help you regaining it.

Agreed 100%

Aaah, Ace, still the undisputed master of quotes I see. I bow to you sir.:)