You are right , legality is a burocracy and can be bended.
its not the best guide of whats "good and bad" but is the only one that exist.
and its the only tool we as common people have to control our "leaders"

its the only way to have cheney or other war criminals on trial (in our dreams maybe but its posibble tecnicaly speaking).

thats why i try to put the legal part on the topic.
we all know that its wrong (i hope we do) , if we know its also illegal we can at least dream to see the responsables on trial.


S! thanks for all the responses. its a very interesting topic for me and i learn a lot reading all the opinions and povs

Well lets hope america never has the need for anyone to over throw any of its government, because imagine if the world had your attitude,"if its not at my door i dont care".
This may come as a supprise to you but what happens around the world affects your freedoms and your countries freedoms. Its called commerce.

My friends died for a just cause, wether that's Iraq's populas's freedom or countries sounding Iraq's security and European and North American security.

Freedom is maintained its not perminent, thats what all the U.S soliders deaths since WW2 has achieved for you, the liberty to say it was all for nothing.

It always amazes me how the people how never had any direct experience of the instance have the most opinions about it which are mostly based upon a media outlet used for the furthering of their own particular cause, in this case a headline story.

I'm done with this BS thread.

I think everybody is missing the point. Wether something is legal or illegal is best left to lawyers. From what I understand of the American legal system. Someone can be tried for murder in a US court for a crime that was committed off the Great Barrier Reef that was found guilty in that country`s soverign court (Australia`s state of Queensland) for manslauter.

A skewd interpretation of the right to bear arms permits any citizen in the US to have arms whatever the situation, when the original intention was a very narrow and specific use of arms.

Whether anything is legal or illegal can only be tested in court. But who`s court?

The International Military Tribunal featured leaders of a soverign state charged with crimes that prior to 1948 were not international crimes. The Tribunal should have and did punish those charged and found guilty for turly horrible crimes. But as a legal study retroactive charging has been conviently forgotten about. It was noted at the time by senior allied military figures that thanked the creater of the christian church that they were on the winning side.
The charges of Planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression and conspiracy to commit crimes against peace, war crimes, and crimes against humanity could leveled with some justification at the Soivet government, It was with some chargin to the Nazis`s that when the asked about planning for the Poland invasion of September 1939 the Soviet delegation would often want the questioning stopped or only asked in such a way that the answer could not involve them.

The only international body that has any claim of the right to try anyone of any country it is the International Crime Tribunal, which does excellant work.

Will Colin Powell, Tony Blair, Bush Senior and Jr be taking a vacation to The Hague I doubt it. As the ICT would like to ask them a few questions .

Tell that to the Kurds in Northern Iraq.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack

i don't understand the point you're trying to make; seems like you're picking on one single phrase and putting it out of any context, then confronting it with facts trying to make it come up as false; plus you're not making any sense: if that gas attack counted as an argument, there would be no need to seek evidence of what was already known by everyone. it wasn't the gas that was being referred as WMDs by 2003, but i'll get to that later.

let me tell you about the Kurds, i'm well aware of that monstrosity and when i saw that Iraq dictator hanged like a pig i thought he got what he deserved; but when it took place in 1988 not only the US didn't move a straw to take him down, they even tried to put it on others hands, knowing full well what had happened; so US governments DID lie.

US took as argument an occurrence in 1988, in which they lied trying to blame Iran (you can read it in the article you refer btw), to justify an act of war in 2003 by switching the blame to Iraq.

concerning WMDs, of course such gas attacks classify as a weapon capable of mass killing and proved real enough, but let's be honest, that wasn't what was being used as argument; of course the attack on the Kurds in 1988 and the inaction by the US rendered that single argument useless as an excuse by 2003, so what went on the table was rather the capability of deploying such weapons at great distances, plus additional programs to build strategic and nuclear weapons, the International Atomic Energy Agency got involved, Iraq was invaded, but evidence of all that was never found.

hope i made myself clear.

:grin:

so you think this is funny? shouldn't even bothered...

my goodness what a distorted capitalistic mentality :shock:
I'm sorry, but that's arrogant and delusional at the same time. Who are you to tell another country what's right or wrong? Your standards are not the world's standards, can you appreciate that?
I think soldiers who die in wars deserve all the respect in the world, but thinking that they paid the highest price for a just cause is something we like to tell ourselves to comfort ourselves that the decisions we took were right. It doesn't make much of a difference to them, since they're dead, but it's good for us to think that G.I. Joe died for a good reason, even if often it's not the case.
what amazes me is that there's still a very powerful country that totally disregards other people's lives for the sake of their integrity and wealth.. points of view I suppose..

Keep drinking the militarys coolaid. I respect everyone who serves our country. Its a shame that they had to die invane in some shit hole of a country for a no good reason. Our country (USA) hasnt had our freedom threatened since WWII. Your mistaken about all wars since have maintained our freedom, thats complete BS. We better attack China as they are a threat to our freedom

Totally and completely false. The ignorance level concerning US firearm laws is staggering.



--Outlaw.