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This has gone absolutely F'in ridiculous now, so we shouldn't have the Vulcan fly at our country's hosting of the Olympics in case it offends the Argies?
If the organizers choose that aircraft i'll support it all the way, and i couldn't care what the rest of the world thinks, especially as the UK in the last 30 years has castrated itself and its citizens rights time and time again to benefit other nations.
Fly the Vulcan!

Clearly Stern your issue is with the Restoration team cos every post seems to be a crack at them and how you wouldn't do it like they do, so this is clearly some inter-restoration team rivalry crap.

Now if you don't mind I've got some crying and being offended to do as I've just seen a Tu95 in UK airspace on a documentary that was aired today, shocking that a documentary would should that in this day and age, its just so savoir vivre.

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Originally Posted by cheesehawk (Post 372223)

But how they ask for money, and their desire to restore something lost are two different things. Even though they go hand in hand, the desire to bring something old back to life, and preserve it IMO is a good thing, regardless of what it is. Even though somethings might be mundane (say you're trying to restore a Roman village to preserve it for history), there's still a story to be told there. Don't confuse the money side of it with the actual project. You might not see anything heroic about the Vulcan, yet it was still a part of a history that will be lost to generations eventually. I've helped my dad restore countless old cars throughout the years, some were classics, some would make you scratch your head and say "Why THAT car?", but I found that even the crappiest car had a history that I learned to appreciate when restoring it. One I wouldn't have known otherwise, and learning about it, I shared it with freinds and people who were interested. (For example, ask most Americans about Austin Healeys, or original Austin-Minis, or Lancia Stratos and they know nothing, it wasn't an American car, or a famous brand/type, yet I learned how they worked and why they made their own niche working on some my Dad found.)

that's all very true, and I do my fair bit of car restoration too, but you're not going out asking for millions of pounds to restore it though, are you? It's a balance between costs and importance, and the Vulcan is not that important, period.

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Originally Posted by BPickles (Post 372224)

This has gone absolutely F'in ridiculous now, so we shouldn't have the Vulcan fly at our country's hosting of the Olympics in case it offends the Argies?

well hopefully the PC madness that has been reigning over here in the last 10 years will take care of this, and anyway a military nuclear bomber from the Cold War has nothing to do with the spirit of Olympic Games, it's like going to a Bar Mitzvah in a Kubelwagen: uncalled for.

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If the organizers choose that aircraft i'll support it all the way, and i couldn't care what the rest of the world thinks, especially as the UK in the last 30 years has castrated itself and its citizens rights time and time again to benefit other nations.
Fly the Vulcan!

yeah, how about you stop living in the nostalgia for the past "when everything was better" and make something of the present, which is a bloody mess?

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Clearly Stern your issue is with the Restoration team cos every post seems to be a crack at them and how you wouldn't do it like they do, so this is clearly some inter-restoration team rivalry crap.

no no no, not with the restoration team, which is a fantastic bunch of skilled folks, I'm against the whole idea and the frontman (and the few hidden characters behind him).
I fly with and restore completely different things, never been a huge fan of jets, but I respect people that do their restoration and labour of love on them on their own means, using volunteers and trying to make it an educational experience for who wants to, not milking others.

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Now if you don't mind I've got some crying and being offended to do as I've just seen a Tu95 in UK airspace on a documentary that was aired today, shocking that a documentary would should that in this day and age, its just so savoir vivre.

Whats the difference if people pay the money willingly?

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there's enough material and info to make an airworthy one, especially with that kind of money. With 4 million quid you'd build back a whole Stirling and the maintenance costs would be a tenth (if not less!) of the Vulcan one.

Like I said....if it offends you that the Stirling is under represented then start your own charity to build a whole one.....you know.....just like a certain group of Vulcan enthusiasts.

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still need to meet a pilot who didn't think his ride was the best in the world

I guess you need to meet more pilots......I have met plenty that hated some of the aircraft they flew

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and for a good reason I think, there's nothing glorious about those years.

Who says it's all about glory, it mostly represents a time when the UK had the capability....you know.....like the same reason we have the HMS Victory, if it is in bad taste to represent something that has a shady past then I'd suggest taking a disk cutter to every Luftwaffe machine in existense.......non?

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I haven't said I don't like it, I think it's not necessary for it to fly if every season we have the same pathetic plea for money going on..

every aircraft flying in the world is being kept aloft by money........what option do they have?

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Taurine manure, you still need to plan for something like this in a sound way, it's not like your garage restoration of a Morris 8. They hired staff to do this job, it became a full time employment for people.

You obviously know little about the whole thing.. the "mysterious" donation of large chunks of money are a good way of avoiding taxes... do I really have to explain this?!

You mean like the £25,000 donation that your own linked Stirling restoration mentions? I clearly have a better grasp of things than you credit me

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I doubt it. I personally flew on the Lufthansa Ju52 in two occasions, they treat it like a plane of their fleet.

Interesting......it was a very different story for the Air Atlantique DC 3's and 6's, but I guess it's because they are not German, and just for your info I used to work for Air Atlantique.

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That's nonsense, I'm talking about keeping things feasible and not wasting so much money for the revenue and entertainment of a few folks. To them it's not a hobby, it's a business.

Bovine excrement......it's all a hobby, the entertainment is for the airshow public in the UK (who are the ones paying the money you resent).....Vulcan plc.....please!!!

Look, never mind, you just see the glamorous side of it, I unfortunately saw the not so fancy murky side, and I'm not enthused about it, simple as that.

As long as tax money isn't being used, why would anyone care what they're doing? They could be collecting money to build a Millennium Falcon for all I care.

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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II (Post 372239)

Look, never mind, you just see the glamorous side of it, I unfortunately saw the not so fancy murky side, and I'm not enthused about it, simple as that.

Yeah....of course you did.......what an ex Vulcan pilot stole your girlfriend?.....you were standing in the middle of Port Stanleys runway in 82?......some of the restoration crew mugged you and emptied your wallet?

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Originally Posted by IamNotDavid (Post 372240)

As long as tax money isn't being used, why would anyone care what they're doing? They could be collecting money to build a Millennium Falcon for all I care.

I'm pretty sure US tax money won't go near it....and certainly no UK tax money is being used....it's all charitable donation

lol, such a fuzz over a restauration project?

The british V bomber force was quite remarkeable in many ways. Maybe ultimately useless, but the pure looks of these aircraft make them icons and an important part of the cold war and the british aircraft industry. I'd not complain to see one flying in real.