Originally Posted by Tiger27 (Post 308588)

Except that it doesnt happen that way, eyes are not cameras they have better anti shake sofware ;)

Originally Posted by CharveL (Post 308705)

I will almost always opt for the more "realistic" approach.

However, it's a matter of degree and practicality. It's funny how some will want absolute realism in an effect for one thing while being completely content with some other effect that is less realistic.

At some point we have to realize that we are perceiving the sim through crappy colour LCD monitors (most of us) in 2D representing 3D and some "Hollywood" effects that aren't over-the-top might actually be welcome in some effects.

As for the framerate of the human eye, it is far, far more than 60fps in some circumstances and difficult to quantify anyway since it has little to do with the eye itself and more to do with the way the brain processes the information using a sort of "fuzzy logic".

Anyway, let's try not to get too anal about it - tracers are far down the list right now imho - and go for something that's mostly realistic and partly just "good" looking for the sake of immersion whether it be narrower laser blaster shots or a bit of squiggle even.

Personally, I'd be happier with more immersive sounds (not necessarily super realistic engine samples) but things like those deep low frequency flak bursts like in BoB:WoV for example.

I'll let the armchair experts debate the ultra-realistic aspects.

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt (Post 308650)

Is your vision blurry when driving down the highway in an older car or a truck? Because there's all sorts of vibration in that one too ;)

The amount of tissue in your body and the reflex motions of your eyeballs can dampen these vibrations out to the point that they are non-perceivable until the vibration gets really severe.


As for the topic at hand, i agree with Heliocon that making them slightly thinner and using lighting instead of geometry to give the impression of glow would make them just right, but i disagree that viewing them 90 degrees off to their line of travel would give off dots (unless one was very far away). At least that's my perception from personally firing 20mm rheinmetal AA guns while i was serving my conscription term in the local air force, the whole gun was shaking when i was watching others fire but when i was firing myself i was on the gun and didn't feel a thing, tracers didn't squiggle at all, etc. All i would see is thin lines of light that turned into small dots as they got about a kilometer or so away from me. I could estimate range from knowing the shell's maximum flight time (it has a self destruct fuse) and the amount of time it flew before it turned into a dot, so it was easy to make a rough calculation, eg "it turns into a dot 1/3rd of the way before it explodes, i know it explodes at 2km, so it's about 600-700 meters".

As for extra effects, there are ricochets modeled in CoD. Best way to see it is to have a steady firing platform with a battery of rapid firing guns: just crash land a 110 and let it rest with its nose low, then start firing those mg17s and the rounds will start impacting a few hundred yards off your nose, you can easily see the ricochets.

Originally Posted by kalimba (Post 308775)

well, seems like those who saw real tracers and those who didn't agree that CODs tracers aren't right...:rolleyes:
So what would be the good compromise here so everyone feels that we get
realistic impression of what would be real tracers as seen by humans in a real plane flying at 250 mph ?....What would be a common ground as reference in that case ? The best thing would be to have something on film or video that would bring unanimous agreement as a basis to work from....

Am I dreaming ?;)

salute !

Originally Posted by Jatta Raso (Post 308751)

a tad thinner and just a little less glow? i find these ones pretty convincing (3:42)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CdXM...eature=related

Originally Posted by Purg (Post 308593)

I do love how the experts opinion (those who have seen tracers in combat) are disregarded for the internet experts opinion who's combat experience is fighting with their mother because their toasted cheese is burnt on one side.