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Originally Posted by Oldschool61 (Post 450453)

Please post the link confirming your wild statements.

Isn't the fact that there was not enough support in the house/senate to extend the ban enough confirmation?

--Outlaw.

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Originally Posted by Outlaw (Post 450474)

An advanced stage bovine spongiform encephalopathy infected 108 year old suffering from alzheimer's has enough cognitive power to determine that the above is a truly asinine statement.

It would be interesting to know your definition of an idiot.

--Outlaw.

So, for you Outlaw. Lets recap; we have been invited to consider the personality traits of people with large collections of firearms. As I am lucky enough to live in a society where personal firearms have been largely removed I have affirmed that I do indeed believe these people to be "nutters". So far I have only received personal abuse for this affirmation.
I have then asked why my views are wrong but seem to have received no coherent answer. Wanna try? Remember, I live in a society that is unarmed but to help you one of my definitions of idiot would certainly be someone who owned three hundred firearms.:rolleyes:

This is what de moc ra cy looks like!!

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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II (Post 450402)

I still really do wonder what these anti-guns preachers are doing here in a military combat simulator where they fire with cannons and machineguns at other aircraft.. why you're not using Flight Simulator or X-Plane?

they are doing the same thing hitler, and mao have done....simply imposing their views and controlling others...after all dictators across the world and throughout history have also believed in disarming the public....thus leaving them defenseless....

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Originally Posted by tk471138 (Post 450500)

...after all dictators across the world and throughout history have also believed in disarming the public....thus leaving them defenseless....

Please give us an example of such a dictator.

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Originally Posted by kendo65 (Post 450411)

Given the vehemence of the arguments here on both sides, can I offer a hypothetical question...

There has been a lot of talk about the need for guns to defend oneself/family/freedom from a government gone wrong or bad, with the implication being that the U.S. may at some point in the future (if not already according to some people) be ruled by such a government.

In such a scenario those in favour of gun ownership see themselves as potential defenders of freedom.

Here's the hypothetical bit: supposing that after several more shooting incidents of the kind seen recently a big majority of the US population and both main parties switched to advocating stronger gun control. Supposing that a democratically elected government expressing the will of the majority of the people enacted to enforce these measures.

What do you do? Do you reluctantly admit to the democratic will of the people? In such circumstances you can hardly see yourselves as still upholding freedom and democracy?

(I suppose what I'm getting at is that in Europe there seems to be more of a distrust and fear of loose amalgams of people or organisations that may be armed to the teeth and possess certain political views than there is of democratically elected governments. The general mindset here is that we need good governments to protect the population from whatever rag-bag set of extremists with a grievance that may come along...and that consequently it is wise to limit the availability of guns so that such extremists can not challenge democratically controlled police and armed forces)

your "argument" is so flawed....the will of the majority, has NO bearing on my creator endowed rights....the founders did not like democracy for a reason....Franklin famously told a reporter that this was a republic....

the majority cant simply vote to nullify one of my basic creator endowed rights, and ANY atempt to do so is or will be null and void....and any attempt to enforce such a law aught to be resisted...that is if you have any dignity....

This really starts to be amusing

creator????

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Originally Posted by arthursmedley (Post 450502)

Please give us an example of such a dictator.

reading isnt one of your stronger skills is it....read the first half of that statment....

also in history many feudal societies have restricted the arms of the day from the peasant and lower classes...to keep them oppressed...

through out history we have restricted arms from black and native Americans, again in the name of racism of and oppression....\\

Chavez is a recent example...

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Originally Posted by F19_Klunk (Post 450505)

This really starts to be amusing

creator????

:grin:

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Originally Posted by F19_Klunk (Post 450505)

This really starts to be amusing

creator????

i guess you really dont understand anything about freedom....unless that is you dont have any or simply dont care....

see your freedom is INNATE...thats what the founders of the USA meant when they said creator...it could be god Allah, Jesus, Buddha, your parents, nature, who ever....

this is basic stuff....

by including this in the first LEGAL documents of this country, it essentially says that your freedom comes from an "authority" HIGHER than govt....

these are REAL legal principles...so go cry if you dont like them...but my freedom is more important than your false sense of security....