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Glider 06-07-2012 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bongodriver (Post 432613)
should really be asking for evidence of it 'not' being in full use before may 1941.

I disagree. Crumpp has made a definate statement that 100 Octane was in full use in May 1941, all I want is his evidence that says it was May 1941.

Crumpp is very keen on us supporting anything we say and I want to know what his evidence is for May 1941.

NZtyphoon 06-07-2012 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Crumpp (Post 432696)
If just because it gets repeated means it was reality.

The Operationing Notes and consumption reports is much more definative that any post war magazine article written by an amatuer historian.

Consumption reports that say that 61,000 tons, 315 imp gallons per ton, 192,151,000 imp gallons of 100 Octane was consumed between June and end October 1940

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k3...mption-bob.jpg

So, where did 192,151,000 gallons of 100 Octane go if it was only consumed by a small number of RAF fighters and some Blenheims?

Interestingly stocks of 100 Octane had already become greater than "Other Grades" by June - NOT October, as Crumpp has surmised:

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k3...8revised-1.jpg

Crumpp obviously believes that he knows better than all those "amateur" aviation historians who have written about 100 Octane so how about Crumpp takes some time out to write a best seller on 100 Octane, based on his professional expertise, and leave all of us confounded by his brilliance? :cool:

Old-Banger 06-07-2012 10:19 AM

'So, where did 192,151,000 gallons of 100 Octane go if it was only consumed by a small number of RAF fighters and some Blenheims?'

Perhaps all the aircrew were putting it in their MG sports cars and BSA motorcycles? Thats one helluva lot of trips to the pub. ;)

Kurfürst 06-07-2012 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NZtyphoon (Post 432745)
So, where did 192,151,000 gallons of 100 Octane go if it was only consumed by a small number of RAF fighters and some Blenheims?

That's a question you, and not Crumpp need to answer, Jeff.

And since you can't aswer it, you offer us only petty personal remarks and hollow arrogance.

Glider 06-07-2012 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Kurfürst (Post 432755)
That's a question you, and not Crumpp need to answer, Jeff.

And since you can't aswer it, you offer us only petty personal remarks and hollow arrogance.

Our view is that it was used by FC and No 2 Group, that you know.

If you and Crumpp believe that the use of 100 Octane was restricted to the number of squadrons/bases that you believe then the onus is on you to say where it went.

GraveyardJimmy 06-07-2012 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Kurfürst (Post 432755)
That's a question you, and not Crumpp need to answer, Jeff.

And since you can't aswer it, you offer us only petty personal remarks and hollow arrogance.

I think you misunderstand. Crumpp asserts that a fraction of the force were using 100 octane, yet a lot of fuel was used. What used this fuel? Wither he is wrong in that only a small amount used it, or he has an explanation for the use of the fuel, though he hasn't come up with anything yet.

lane 06-07-2012 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NZtyphoon (Post 432745)
Interestingly stocks of 100 Octane had already become greater than "Other Grades" by June - NOT October, as Crumpp has surmised:

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k3...8revised-1.jpg

That's a good one NZtyphoon and shows that 100 octane was the predominant aviation fuel in stock in the UK throughout the Battle of Britain.

Osprey 06-07-2012 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurfürst (Post 432755)
That's a question you, and not Crumpp need to answer, Jeff.

Here's my answer. It was burned in Merlin engines on the front line providing the edge needed to knock down the Hun. Prove it wasn't.

fruitbat 06-07-2012 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurfürst (Post 432755)
That's a question you, and not Crumpp need to answer, Jeff.

And since you can't aswer it, you offer us only petty personal remarks and hollow arrogance.

No, That's a question you, and Crumpp need to answer, Kurfurst.

And since you can't aswer it, you offer us only petty personal remarks and hollow arrogance.

fruitbat 06-07-2012 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NZtyphoon (Post 432745)
Consumption reports that say that 61,000 tons, 315 imp gallons per ton, 192,151,000 imp gallons of 100 Octane was consumed between June and end October 1940

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k3...mption-bob.jpg

So, where did 192,151,000 gallons of 100 Octane go if it was only consumed by a small number of RAF fighters and some Blenheims?

Interestingly stocks of 100 Octane had already become greater than "Other Grades" by June - NOT October, as Crumpp has surmised:

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k3...8revised-1.jpg

Great post, thanks for sharing.

100 octane fuel the main fuel stocked during the BoB, slam dunk.


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