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LoBiSoMeM 02-15-2011 04:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by robtek (Post 224436)
Just remember LoBiSoMeM, it takes a troll to know one.
As Blackdog said, namecalling doesn't help your cause.
If you believe that this cause is "mine", you really understand nothing...

People think small. People think that EVERYBODY is looking just for yourselves... That's not the way to see the HT question: the need to MORE OPTIONS than just TIR. It's will improve tha access to quality HT for much more consumers. As a MP player, I like to see a lot of players with good input devices.

The problem is that all us involved with these questions are tired of the same LIES of NP, the omission of game devs, closed topics, etc...

It's a shame that simms consumers don't get involved with these questions, really.

Robotic Pope 02-15-2011 04:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt (Post 224347)
Guys, i support the use of freetrack because i like having extra options for everybody. What i don't support is insults to further the cause.

The .dll is naturalpoint software, NP has the right to protect it and in that regard W-R is correct.
On the other hand, freetrack and other alternative headtracking interfaces would use their own API if the game developers provided a generic 6-axis interface for head tracking, this is where you are correct.

The way i see it neither of you is 100% right, you are both 50% correct and that's it. However, the more you resort to personal attacks and name calling, the more you weaken your position because you give the impression that it's either due to a certain obsession or an inability to present real arguments instead of hurling insults.

I support ALL head tracking methods, i want naturalpoint to stay in business (because if i have the money to spare i will buy one again, it's smoother and faster) and i want to see CoD work well with all of them.
That being said, the way some of the freetrack fans post in this thread is just as bad in trying to force an opinion on others as the trackIR fans they are supposed to be "fighting" against, lighten up already :rolleyes:
+1. Blackdog, Your posts are always so true and wise. :cool:

robtek 02-15-2011 05:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM (Post 224456)
If you believe that this cause is "mine", you really understand nothing...

People think small. People think that EVERYBODY is looking just for yourselves... That's not the way to see the HT question: the need to MORE OPTIONS than just TIR. It's will improve tha access to quality HT for much more consumers. As a MP player, I like to see a lot of players with good input devices.

The problem is that all us involved with these questions are tired of the same LIES of NP, the omission of game devs, closed topics, etc...

It's a shame that simms consumers don't get involved with these questions, really.
While i absolutely agree to the first part of this post, the second to last sentence is, afaik, still not proven except by hearsay.
The answer to the last sentence might be that not sooo many people share your view or just don't care at all.
I fully support Freetrack as long as it uses its own or other free interfaces to any game!

LoBiSoMeM 02-15-2011 06:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by robtek (Post 224506)
While i absolutely agree to the first part of this post, the second to last sentence is, afaik, still not proven except by hearsay.
The answer to the last sentence might be that not sooo many people share your view or just don't care at all.
I fully support Freetrack as long as it uses its own or other free interfaces to any game!
The second part of your sentence is so simple to be acomplished: when game devs USES Freetrack interface and not ONLY the encripted NP one, the world will be a nice place to live!

Think a minute about that, please. A lot of these discussions can't move further because people is blind to see where resides the "block" to generic full 6DOF HT interface...

As I said a lot: I',m not stupid. If I'm talking about this subject, is because anybody with a clear mind can see that the problem isn't "Freetrack uses NP interface", is the fact that game devs don't uses generic 6DOF interface.

I'll not enter in the circle of stupidity again, sorry. Maybe I'm rude, but I"m tired - really tired - of the same and old nonsense...

And you don't think it's "strange" that game devs usually don't came to these discussions?

Gimme a break, please...

robtek 02-15-2011 06:36 PM
What is strange is that NP gets all the bad PR for something the game-devs have, or better, haven't done.
The game-devs and their reasoning not to include a free interface, can't be reached or are unknown.
So the only known party, NP, must be guilty.

Sorry, that is the way it appears to me.

Please use the answer, that NP has influenced the game-devs of countless games, only with a proof.

Thank you

LoBiSoMeM 02-15-2011 06:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by robtek (Post 224523)
What is strange is that NP gets all the bad PR for something the game-devs have, or better, haven't done.
The game-devs and their reasoning not to include a free interface, can't be reached or are unknown.
So the only known party, NP, must be guilty.

Sorry, that is the way it appears to me.

Please use the answer, that NP has influenced the game-devs of countless games, only with a proof.

Thank you
Why Oleg Maddox can't came to this discussion and write a word about the subject?

Think a minute, please. I'm in these discussions about Freetrack for sometime, and I know devs READ these topics but CAN'T answer sometimes...

Why? Maybe Oleg can write something about... What I know is that IL-2:CoD FOR SURE will have suport for the encripted NP interface... Why Oleg can't tell us if it will have too full 6dof suport for other HT devices/softwares?

Two of the "know parts" don't even can put your faces in these topics: devs and NP, to talk about alternative HT devices. And can I speak the true for you? I'm glad that here the devs isn't answer yeat, because in some forums I saw some devs with the same old lie about "hacks" and nonsense talking... After BIS put Freetrack suport into ArmAII, all this talking is meaningless, but still in the agenda of the NP trolls.

That way I can have some respect by the great team of Oleg Maddox, by now.

MadBlaster 02-15-2011 07:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM (Post 224526)
Why Oleg Maddox can't came to this discussion and write a word about the subject?

Think a minute, please. I'm in these discussions about Freetrack for sometime, and I know devs READ these topics but CAN'T answer sometimes...

Why? Maybe Oleg can write something about... What I know is that IL-2:CoD FOR SURE will have suport for the encripted NP interface... Why Oleg can't tell us if it will have too full 6dof suport for other HT devices/softwares?

Two of the "know parts" don't even can put your faces in these topics: devs and NP, to talk about alternative HT devices. And can I speak the true for you? I'm glad that here the devs isn't answer yeat, because in some forums I saw some devs with the same old lie about "hacks" and nonsense talking...

That way I can have some respect by the great team of Oleg Maddox, by now.
Speculation:
I suspect OM can't answer because of the Non-Disclosure Agreement 1C may have with NatrualPoint regarding CoD. Something in that agreement is likely preventing it like (i.e.,threat of being sued/breach of contract). Since we are not privy to the NDA, we Freetrack users have no way of providing the ultimate proof to robtek. We can only use deductive reasoning based on a decade of history and what's out there on the internet.

santobr 02-15-2011 07:38 PM
I hope we will have all options like:
TrackIR (3, 4 & 5), TrackIR 1 & 2, FreeTrack, GlovePIE, NewView and so on.

If we were obligated to use only TrackIR, so I think this is some kind of monopoly.
People who have TrackIR 1 & 2 will suffer too.
So, please, give us some options to choose.;)



santobr.

Wolf_Rider 02-15-2011 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Vasilj_Mitu (Post 224356)
hm... I've just hopped to WolfRider's favorite source for "proving" FT's hacking of NP work... and the thing that amazes me that no one, so far, noticed that Freetrack works with it's own interface in IL2, according to that site. is it so hard to expect any less from COD, then?
Could you go into more detail on the "how it works", please?


*Edit

There is a method that quite a few games use and have been for a while now which could be hooked into, and that is Mouse Look (aka Freelook). It contains all the elements people are asking for... and all that is needed is a method of hooking the webcam into that :)

Vasilj_Mitu 02-16-2011 06:23 AM
sorry mate, I can't. just quoting "the source", that's all. personally I'm using the stuff for playing (IL2 1946 atm only), not for loosing sleep over the fact how it works.


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