The unfortunate turtle?

Ok then. The same question again for you : what part of alpha patch do you not understand?

:grin::grin:

it is alpha version of beta patch - FAIL... what they will release next - next alpha patch to test again? when?

So far I have had one CTD no stutters, yes blurry textures in cockpit only all others look the same, clouds yes it's annoying when they pop in but I don't get a drop in fps...

It's an alpha bits are being optimised and are missing that's all.

the part I don't understand is why release a patch that is suppose to double the FPS when you know that it's going to stutter and effect FPS because the Grass/Clouds/Trees are not fixed? Especially when these things are supposed to be getting fixed within days. Bit silly to do that don't you think?

Proving once more that you don't understand that this is not meant to fix everything just help them fix the CTD.

It think it´s also safe to say that you must live in some mentally unhealthy denial to still find excuses for this mess. BETA or ALPHA, it doesn´t make any difference, it´s clear that once again we have been mislead (promises of major, I say again, MAJOR FPS increase and whatever). Labeling this previous release as beta-alpha-whatever just bought devs (again) some time on this forum filled with mindelss sheeps, that seem to clap their hands for any bit of disastrous code released by Luthier & co.

Improvements brought by these "patches" have never been real improvements. It is just like Tree said: 1 step forward 2 steps back. That´s the reality of CLOD if you judge it by the standards that make some sense in the real world.

I like flapjack....nom nom!

Maybe they wanted to isolate some issues and see if the version with some features turned off will be rid of them? That`s the way testing is done.

I`m not sure if they wrote it anywhere, but my understanding is that they`ve asked us to help. Those who are willing to help. You are obviosly not willing to do that. Why causing chaos to those who want to help?

You know what you can only try and explain so much to a child before you realise that the child is "special"!

"Don’t argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"

On that note, I will post a vid of a online flight but will not be "contributing" anymore to this "thread".

That is usually what happens... then maybe another one, then the Beta arrives, which requires further testing... get it?

Yeah, we don`t want them to have more time to fix this, do we?

I`m quite baffled by you listening to Tree_UK. He just proved he can`t even read.

QFT. I believe the purpose of this alpha patch is to try and nail down CTD bugs. If you don't want to help, or can't help, then its probably best not to install it, and just let the people who do want to help just get on with it.
For me this patch is not for playing CoD, but for testing CoD, and trying to fix the CTD's some are having.Not all, some, including me. If I can help in any way, by sending in crash files and logs I will.

Causing chaos to those who want to help? Are you serious? I am telling them that the FPS and stutters are still in the game and this is not helping them? Maybe I should tell them all is great then. Jezz It's not like I can send them a log of the stutters and FPS issues is it? I can only report it here. Just like I tried to help in another thread about people using a FPS limiter.

Have you posted your findings in the bug thread?
Put your system specs in your sig, so the devs can see the system you are running.

Yes, I expected its content. I found false information posted by some users, more of the same meaningless speculation with no grounds whatsoever. In my opinion 1C does not deserve any of this. As long as you post based on the truth then I can`t do nothing about it. It is your interpretation of the data and the event. It is wrong, not true and that is why I need to point it out. Tree_UK has switched the patch topic to a whole different vision which does not in any way reflect what 1C is doing. There are many users reading this stuff and draw wrong conclusions. This needs to be countered - not with speculation but rational interpretation of the data and events. You speak through rage. I speak through what I analised.

If you read that as an attack then it is not my fault. I asked you a question. Maybe you have relevant grounds to post what you post, but you certainly didn`t explain them so far. If all what you posted was he truth and not speculation through rage, I wouldn`t even make one post here.


If I put you and others on ignore, I couldn`t counter the misinforming you and others do.

did you put it in the Bug Thread?

I understand where you are coming from here Uther, but currently I am beta testing War thunder and they are not releasing it to the public yet because they want to nail down the netcode, bugs, features all at a steady rate.

About every 3-days (sometimes daily) Gaijin are updating their software to fix bug reports. Now that's service!

The thing is Cliffs of Dover is already out, people have paid money for it and now they are being asked to Alpha and beta test it.

We all now a Patch can bring it's own issues but the original release of Cliffs of Dover has never been stable (to release 'Gold' standard), there have always been crashes, features missing, in a nutshell it was not ready!

Now 14-months down the line, here's a release from 1C that they cross their fingers will do a job that should have been done before release....but here's the 'get out clause', they'll call it an Alpha/Beta and that way when the issues are still not resolved, well, it's not their fault as it was only a Alpha/Beta patch. not the full one we have waited for since release day?

I already stated, I'm 'on the hook', I will patch and I will buy the BoM in the hope I can actually have a working Simulation (and if they can get it stable...what a simulation!) but really, so long since it's release and we are still at 'sticking plaster' stage? It's not a really a good show is it?

I had hoped by now, not to be Beta testing software on a paid for release. I think if any of the patches had made the game as it should have been released AND THEN we were Alpha/Beta testing a new feature/update/effect that would be more than acceptable, it's just that currently the Software is still being fixed to bring it up to how it should have been released.

It's more a question of trust I think?

Do you trust them to part with more money when BoM comes out. Sadly (as I mentioned about the Hook) I think most players who hope for a sim will no-doubt spend their money (I already said I will), but this is just because I live in hope of the halcyon days of IL2. Whether BoM will fix CloD, I don't know, but for those who aren't willing to take that step, it really is sad that nearly a year-and-a-half since release, the software is still missing the dynamic weather (promised but now not coming until BoM) and the developer's are asking the community to Alpha/Beta test the software.

MP

What I post repeatedly are facts. Information. You are posting an interpretation of them which is obviously wrong.


How can I prove you wrong since you don`t have anything to support your claims?

So Gajin have the same budget and number of men working on the title as CloD? And who is saying that 1C has good service?


Please explain. I don`t understand what you mean. What clause? How? Do you think there won`t be any final patch? On what grounds? Speculation again?

err... alpha test the redesigned and rewritten engine ;)

reinstalling CFS3
 

I tell you Ilya, i'am done with all those fake promises, first there was the dinner at the french restaurant and all i've got was a milkshake at McDonald, which gave me terrible hiccups then the trip to Egypt to so called start on a "new basis" (during a revolution ilya !) of course i was moved, i received tear gas in the face, since then everything i see is blurry.
I want everything back, the cat, the tv set and the vacuum cleaner.
i'am gone for good, btw see you tomorrow.

:grin::grin:
Welcome to the turtle.

But ofcourse if you can provide a quote by Luthier/BlackSix/other 1C representative confimring that then I`ll delete my posts.

BTW to be more explaining.
My post #223 is information.
My post #232 is speculation/opinion. But I underlined this.

The most serious misinformation is to say that CLOD, in it´s current state (after 14 months of patching!) is a product that should be on the retailers self. I can´t even describe how it pisses me off when the usual suspects praise this game on different forums (Banana, Ubi, SimHQ) to people who are considering buying it and asking if it´s playable yet (some maybe even considering upgrading their rig just to play CLOD!!!!!)

It´s not, if you apply the real world standards (if you wonder what these might be, try looking e.g. DCS-series).

Yeayeayeayeayea, "some people can run it fluently", "some people don´t have problems", "it´s playable"

Get real!

This game has already enough alpha/beta testers. Most of them (myself included) would have never paid 50 € to be one.

More like "the unfortunate turd" IMO.

With regards to the patch, they are only calling it alpha, beta or whatever to stall. There won't be a stable version of this game until about a month before BoM releases, maybe, unlikely. Good luck with the "alpha, beta, gamma, omega or whatever they'll call it" testing. :D

Please note that opinions differ. Some say better never release it in this state, others say at least the title is out and 1C can continue working on it.
But yes, if somebody is saying that CloD is a full working product the it is the same type of misinformation.

What is so untrue in "some people can run it fluently"?

Did you try to get your refund?

I really don't care when they fix it, as long as it is fixed.

And you want me to take you seriously?

I just answered that question. Can`t you read either?

Then go ahead and report. If that is in fact an attack then I will get an infraction.

I just put you up against the wall. You started sqeaking failed notes. It is ok with me if you don`t want to continue. You are a phoney, furbs.

Good posts from lensman and Mysticpuma in this thread. I find a lot to agree with in both their positions.

Here’s where I’m at. The alpha patch has produced a performance increase for me (and others). There are obviously a lot of bugs and issues, but they've stated it's an alpha and I’m willing to take them at face value for now and reserve judgement until the beta / final releases of the patch.

There is a lot of wild speculation merging into full-blown conspiracy theory flying around once again. Personally, I’ve always found the ‘screw-up’ point of view more convincing than the conspiracy theories. That’s true for this patch as well.

The deciding moment will come once the patch hits beta and then full Steam release. If it isn’t solid and producing good results by then I would say that everyone is justified to complain and or even abandon the game. Like many, my own patience has been pushed very close to breaking over the last 6+ months. The devs know this patch HAS to cut it. I’m willing to wait until it is final before passing judgement.

As for the speculation about them fobbing us off with a stalling tactic, rip-off patch and then not seeing anything else until BOM – there’s no evidence for it. Believe it if you want - OR wait for a few weeks and see for yourself what happens. We’ll all find out soon enough.

For now though some of the talk is getting hysterical.

In trials of a leading hair growth tonic, 60% of balding men noticed new hair growth.

In trials of a leading anti-aging cream, 70% of people noticed an improvement.

I wasn't one of the lucky 50% of alpha patch testers but I'm sure my hairline has stopped receding and I have less wrinkles.

I re-installed the latest version from Steam yesterady (clean install) and got a CTD on startup, won't run at all. Updated to the Beta/Alpha, whatever you want to call it and got stuttering hell on medium to low settings. I'll come back later when it's fixed and the bickering has stopped. Wonder when that will be?

Glo

The unfortunate truth...

The devs are still working to resolve issues. Everyone was asking a patch. Generally, many mentioned they would be accepting of a beta patch knowing there would be issues.

Now we get threads like this, and we all know the patch was beta.

Yes, the devs are working on the COD. Yes, it is taking too long to suit many people.

This forums is not the whine and complaint venue.

Moderators are interested to keep a positive forum for the benefit of all our members.

We have all heard complaints and whines so many times no one in their right mind wants to keep reading that kind of verbal garbage.

Now the point is... Many of you that have posted your lousy continuous verbiage in this thread have reached the end of moderator patience.

The COD is what it is and it will be so until it is finalized. No one has any power over that except the developers.

Therefore... if you have put up a rant, whine or complaint in this thread you are on the proverbial hot seat. If you don't remove your trash talk postings you will get a ban, and some of you have that have continued to be contentious over the past year and you know who you are. You have exceeded the patience of moderators on this forums. Some of you may receive permanent (don't ever come back) bans, and others for several months.

This thread will be open for half of the day for edits and deletions of postings. If moderators have to edit any of your postings you will be considered non-compliant and you will receive ban. This thread will either be locked or possibly deleted thereafter.

Don't PM and ask moderators if your posting deserves "Special Attention". If you have put up a questionable post you should consider it a problem.

I don't want to jump the gun, so can I ask for a clarification? Does this mean that any negative posts at all will risk a ban?

I know you said "in this thread" but will this extend elsewhere as well?

Just want to be clear, is all.

The thing about it is, you are not a child, and you can get out of the car at any time.

And I know you paid $50, or euros, or pounds or whatever.

I agree with much of Mystic Puma's post: my confidence in the dev team to master this software is waning. Fast. But I haven't completely given up yet.

When I do, I will stop reading these forums. What's the point? I will certainly not stick around haranguing the development team and arguing with anyone who chooses to be optimistic.

Tic Toc Tic Toc..

Tidy it up fellas and take that warning seriously..stop yer whining whatever side of the fence your on..

In fact dont...it will make for better visits to this forum

Agreed, it is not a good show.

They have rewritten parts of the game, so that leaves them no choice but to test it as if the game was still in "development" stage. Why they did that... I do not know, but I suspect that some parts of the engine weren't looking pretty if they decided to go that way.

Yes they should have fixed it before it was released and by now it should be working on all computers, but they went for the "let's redo the foundation of the building with the building halfway done" approach (a bit exaggerated).

If what they are saying,
is true and they feel confident to start tracking down CTD errors, that's great.

It is terrible that after 14 months some people still cannot play the game, but hopefully that will change with the bug reports.

The unfortunate truth...

This thread hasnt been locked yet...

Cuz peeps have the chance to edit or delete their posts?

Lmao, whenever I visit these forums I am greeted by a tit tat between you, tree, David and carguy etc... So pull the other one furbs

Is constructive critisism not acceptable?
I thought that the whole point of a forum was allow people to voice their oppinions? Why are people continually persicuted for not saying that the sun shines out of CLOD's ass?
The only way this game will get fixed is if you listen to the people who have the issues and stop listening to the people who just want argue with any one with an oppinion different to their own.
I dont post my problems with this game because i see what happens to people that do.
Stop ignoring the people with problems and sort the issues and then there will be nothing for people to moan about. Simples

The problem there is that damn near all of the most vocal criticism is/has been more and more rant'y than anything else, and it hasn't been very constructive. Sure, the first two maybe three pages of a thread can have some constructiveness to it, the following pages will be filled with whining, counterwhining, namecalling and general muppetry. And that makes it very hard figuring out just what the problem is, which again makes the devs go "...meh, TL:DR". And I can't blame them for doing so.

Also take into consideration that it seems that if you take 10 people who all have issues with the game, those 10 people will have different issues. What works for me doesn't work for you, and what works perfectly for you doesn't match the experiences of others.

Besides, some people will ALWAYS moan, regardless. If their issues are fixed, they will moan about that it took too long, that others issues aren't being worked on, or, heaven forbid, they moan about having nothing more to moan about. Never underestimate the capacity for stupidity in your fellow human, my friend, because it is the one thing in the universe, known or unknown, that is truly limitless.

Tickl3

There are several sticky threads for making constructive responses about the the patch, and there is one to submit log files to developer.

That way you help developer, otherwise the developer will not see your posts in regular threads.

Please close this thread then. Or are you just keeping it open as bait?

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Shame it's not possible to delete threads that are not of a constructive nature :(

as always, personal in-fighting gets in the way of constructive criticism... MP

With all due respect MP, i think this attitude right here is part of the problem.

We should all commit to boycott BoM until 1C gets CLOD into shape.

If they know we'll all just buy BoM anyways, then there's no incentive for them to get better. It's the reason EA and Activision get away with making the exact same Call of Duty every 2 years: fanboys buy it, regardless of anything.

There is no need to pledge to boycott BOM. They seem to be completely aware that they have to fix CoD.

You'll never get the rest of the community into it, truth to be told. Hell, if it receives favorable responses from reviews, both here and other places, I'll buy it. But not before I know more about how it is.

S!

CoD will get in shape the day the graphics/FM/DM are made top notch as the same are used in BoM + release SDK and nothing stops the community. My .02€

a turd with a speech impediment?

Posts removed, i take it ACE and Carguy will do them same.

just in case if i print some T-Shirts would you buy them ?
I'am also planning a tour London-Peking-Moscow, no worries i'll make you a discount for the dog.
we keep in touch here's my email -> Clod_LiberationFront@gmail.com "Limited places!"

In the interests of civility, as a precautionary gesture, I have removed
my posts as well.:cool:

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.

I don`t believe in boycott. First reason is - I didn`t see one person post that he will buy BoM since like the last final patch ( I know, Mysticpuma did, I don`t count that). It is not needed, because already there is minimal credibility to it.

Pretty much.

I would go so far as to suggest that buying BoM before (if at all) CloD is fixed could be a useful barometer for insanity.

My view of CloD has been up and down since the beginning.... sometimes I am happy-ish, sometimes in love with it, sometimes can't stand the sight of it....... it's been a roller coaster ride..... like one of those teenage love affairs that end badly and yet.... damn did you have some fun! Would you do it again? Heck no! (Unless you could keep the wild, if somewhat exhausting, moments and edit the rest out.)

BoM? Once bitten..... or as a certain President would try and say: Fool me...erm...twice...erm.....

It's all about hope and faith at the moment. Some have lost their faith entirely. Some never had much faith at all once they paid the cash and got stung. Some, like me, are losing faith rapidly but hoping it will be restored like an atheist desperate for a sign they may be wrong (Apart from the flaming eternal one at the end, hopefully. :grin:).

1C are going to have to pull one heck of a rabbit out of the top hat and, not trying to apply pressure here...... we are talking the king of rabbits before any sane person will slam their money down on the counter.

Here is to hope... however much or little there is.

Now I'm off to play 1946. :D

My problem, though, is that I see comments from the dev team saying things like "There are problems with the flight models above 6000m, and we won't fix this until the sequel".

Look! I found a picture of the original DVD cover for CloD!:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7232/7...bc0f960183.jpg

yep.:rolleyes:

you guys here must be having very sad life.. You are just addicted... To unconstructive criticism.

Some may think someting might be wrong with me, but when BOM comes i will deffinately get it.

Highly doubth will be released anywhere near the state CLOD got out in.
First of, their sim-countrymen would tear them apart if it did, and secondly i think it might be quite some national pride in making it as good as they can with what have atm.
It was in my very,very honest oppinion quite a incredibly act of determination, bravery and heroism by the whole russian nation pushin the nazis out. SPecialy with how it was going for them from start.... but won't get into history....

Will it be perfekt, and have all that i wish this new series have??? I guess not, but then if i remeber correktly, the original IL-2 was way different to it's sequel both in FM's, and much else.
Remeber how it felt back then, like having to learn and refly my favorite planes going from one to other...

I will too. Being a software developer I can sympathize with the devs, they must be feeling a lot of pain right now and I don't envy them one bit. I have been there. But from what I see they are trying their best to fix this. For non programmers it may be hard to understand how difficult this is.

But this is the "only" game in town for realistic WWII air war simulation so as long as 1C continues to make an honest effort at trying to deliver a good game I will continue to support them and hope they succeed.

This will mean a series of alpha/beta patches until all problems have been fixed but I will do what I can to help them get it fixed.

as a indian programmer would say "the trut iz in dee enzine"
from that stand point Cod/Bom is slowly getting out of the woods while others are entering in it.
The problem is not to just make money out of your games, but actually raise money for the next project.
777 is dangerously stuck in WWI niche, time is ticking
on the other side the modern combat sim niche is now smaller than a dinky car garage
DCS is scrambling to dev a full WWII game out a old modern combat engine
and as soon as Cod/BoM mammoth wakes up, the picture will be bleak
quality content is underway check http://simhq.com/_air14/air_523a.html
Vick vs Dundas is available, a fat 1940 campaign is being translated etc ...
cod is becoming the new platform so the seat is not that uncomfortable...
altogether we have crazy russians working on the engine and some crazy germans on the content, personally i wouldn't bet against those guys.