Do you have proof that these are the facts, or of anything you are saying, how do you know what Luthier said isn't the truth ie that this was dumped on them late in development, do you have someone on the inside letting you know these facts or do you just read the forums like the rest of us and make an educated guess, you seem to imply in your posts that you are somehow 'in the know' but I doubt you know anymore than the rest of us.

Fact - We never saw any 'in game footage' despite numerous requests.
Fact - Ubisoft have had the Epilepsy rule for over 3 years
Fact - 1c failed to meet the requirements of the rule, hence luthier having to apply the filter, this as caused FPS drop and effectively disabled SLI.

proof here from 2008, please read the forums Tiger, its all there.

http://spong.com/article/15691/Ubiso...s-for-Epilepsy

Nah, it's just Ubisoft worried about certain frequencies making people's ears explode, so they force 1C to use known "safe frequencies" for audio.

That, or they are just poorly made, but given recent events, which do you think is more likely?

Well Tree, never though I would be holding hands with you in the middle of a flame storm :) I guess you may have some extra flame suit in the wardrobe? Maybe some worn out that I can borrow?

No, No and No

I have read elsewhere that they dropped the epilepsy rule a year ago.

You have no idea, about the meetings between Ubi and 1c so STFU your full of assumptions that you have no means of verifying!!!

I just hope that:
- they manage to remove this epilepsy protection from RUS game version (if it will not be toggable for western region)
- there will be an option to have english language in RUS game version.

OR
- image quality will be the same with that protection or without it (can't imagine this one though).

We shall see.

next week i see how it run on my gig

Specs:
Gigabyte GA-58 Extreme
i920 -> 3,4GHz
6 gig ram
Ati 5970 crossfire, just bought some time ago because IL2 CODcoming :(
Win 7 64bit

if not running smoothly enough then there is something really broken in code.

Those Vaal bughunting videos, in my opinion it's looks good with FPS, lots of detail and so on. Of course there is no other planes.
Of course Developers diary 1 was wonderful, but it's trailer, not actually raw gameplay :(

Next week i see the truth

We are not seen any good videos yet, only those couple of bad videos.

Kankkis

i will do so now!!i was afraid that i would not be able to play the game smoothly with my rig.now im confident.sorry to the devs, but get another publisher!!!!:evil:

That's true, just 30 second clips from some naysayers. Would love to see a written report in english of what HW they're using, how does it run on different gfx settings on different situations (over the sea, cities, countryside, 10 planes, 100 planes etc).

Damn Ruskies just keep it to themselves and the only thing we get are small nuggets of poor framerates and slideshows without any context.

Frankly, and I mean no disrespect, I don't give a flying f*** about epileptics' video game problems. If you do have symptoms, don't play video games - you have many better things to do. If you don't have symptoms, but have epileptic cores in your brain - it's just a matter of time before you get it, video games or not.

So, to conclude:

1. The Ubisoft's insistence on this is pure "social responsibility" posturing, and making devs absorb the costs is evil. Epilepsy standards? Give me a break!

2. I'm cancelling my pre-order for now, and will get the game from Russia if and when they make the filter optional there.

3. I again emphasize that Oleg and Maddox Games would be much better off if they've published their product themselves online.

Has there been any reports of how it performs with this famous russion version without the protection?

Igomir and the leaked vids look quite ok to me given the HW that was used.

And secondly, we doesen't know even how much that epileptic system is lowered overall performance, it maybe be 2%, who knows.

Hold on horses friends, wait until it is released here in UK next week.


Kankkis

There are many here who post about Ubi with only assumptions & no knowledge of the meetings either, do they have to STFU too? Why don't you tell them so? why is it that only those who question Luthier's explanation would have to STFU?


1C did publish it, they don't need the anti epileptic filter since it's evil Ubi who insisted on it if we have to believe what is said; but strangely, it is present in 1C version. Why?

is it possible to have an english menu in the russian version??

The stuttering and laggy framerates are sure to induce an epileptic seizure more-so than a smooth running game. Watching some of the videos coming out is making me weezy. Hopefully this is fixed. I shouldn't have to invest in a crazy system just to get past what this filter ultimately does to inhibit smooth performance. ARGH!! Damn your legal policies!!

I am epileptic and I applaud of decision form UBI :rolleyes:

A very valid point that the money grabbing execs at UBI are too dim to understand.

I hope I will not get epilepsy because of UBI decision haha

and I agree, If we ever get epilepsy that would be from bad framerates before anything else...

Lol yes instead of a reduction in Color between frames we now have huge changes, this game is torture for people that suffer from epilepsy...

I'm keenly waiting for news on this as it seems, once-more, UBISOFT have gone out of there way to cripple another of their game releases and the Developer suffers!

I don't get why, after all the years of development, that 1C chose a Developer that most in the community saw as one that would or could make or break this product, with most thinking the 'break' would be more possible!

So-far I have not seen anything in the videos and release information that makes me think this has now been rush-released by Ubi and Russia (fortunately for us in the West) is getting to Beta test all the bugs before the 31st in Europe and by the time it reaches the US it should be running smoothly only if the statement by Oleg regarding patches depending on the success of the initial release isn't a forewarning that there may be little done after?

I hope that CoD gets it's success, those who are IL2 fans will, I am sure, be there for it, but it's like everything.....you need new blood to come into the market to make the sales figures work, and if the game is buggy, glitchy and problematic from the start, new buyers will be the ones writing poor reviews and killing future sales!

I applaud the epilepsy implementation, but to make it non-optional is ridiculous. It should be the users choice, but then again what can you say when an Historical Simulation has marketing decisions forced on it like the removal of the Historically accurate hakenkreuz!

I'm now cancelling my Steam order and waiting to see what it's like when it's released in the US, hopefully with a couple of patches in the Steam version implemented?

Cheers, MP

This thread truly is depressing...

How come I'm not amazed that this descended into making jokes about the 0.5-1% of the population that suffer from a very serious disease? What's next? How low can you go?

And no, I'm not cancelling any pre-order unless the devs continue blaming not passing the tests that most other games pass without resulting in a slide show - to cover up a non optimized release. I can take that the game is released in a non finished state and gets patched to work later (like the RoF release). But blaming the anti epilepsy screening tests and Ubisoft for that is not the way to sell games. I hope you understand that making statements like that hurts your sales - or what? Just look at this mess. Get some sleep and think twice before posting comments like that?

+1, 100% agree. This is not a joke, the epilepsy rule/law is there to protect people who have the misfortune to suffer from this terrible condition, Ubi should be praised for taking action in 2008 not rubbished. Its sad that it has blighted Cliffs of Dover, but it is an oversight from the Dev's not from Ubisoft. It hasn't affected any other game or developers that adhere to the same restrictions.

The only thing that doesn't fit this is that Ubi only got involved again late last year. (I know Tree has said otherwise but i want to see facts to back that up before buying another grand conspiracy theory)

Rush released by 1C, not by Ubi.

We cannot accuse Ubi of delaying the release to the 31st in Europe & April in the US, and accuse them of releasing it too early.

Information about how finished the game is/was lies in the studio in Russia & at 1C. 1C decided on the global release date (March 2011) as much as Ubi, if not more.

I have a friend who has epilepsy and hes playing IL2 and other sims no probs...

Well that is most probably true, unfortunatley Cliffs Of Dover failed to meet the required standards by Ubisoft.

cool then make it as an option so ppl who dont have epilepsy can turn it OFF.....is that fair enough?

roflmaostc!

well i agree with you whole heartedly, however we are assuming that this was required by Ubisoft, all other Ubisoft games have a warning on the box. So the dev's blaming Ubisoft makes it very suspicious and looks more and more like a smoke screen for a very badly running unfinished game.

So then all is fine? Should I let my five year old play computer games as he has not had a seizure in four years play this game then? The other solution here seems to be that I should tell him that no, you can't play computer games ever in your life even if all your friends do it all the time. That is not for you, go can go play on the yard outside instead...

None of this defeats the fact that this should be made optional. That is the main issue we're having right now. Yes epilepsy is serious, but why bring all of us down. Unless it is made optional or fixed to work like it should soon then the game will be off to a very bad start. Question is, will it be authorized to legally be made optional, or must we all suffer with this crap forever, or until it is effectively fixed? I shouldn't have to drop an extra lump sum of cash to be able to play this smoothly. Period.

Yeah - this is so much fun making jokes about people with diseases and handicaps... I'm also rolling on the floor. How could I ever stop laughing after humor like that?

Ummm well no, as its a 16+ game, Hes too young for it anyway. Im sorry your son has epilepsy, But to expect everyone else to have to put up with some draconian filter is out of order. If epilepsy affects him that badly then sadly He wont be able to play video games, The fact his brother and mates do is hard luck, but thats life.

Yes I agree Epilepsy is a bad condition and I know people do suffer greatly for it, BUT they are aware of the condition and its UP to THEM to take measures to stop themselves having an attack. OR if they are young like your son, then its upto the the Parents to take the action.

Stop expecting the rest of the world to have to make sacrifices on the off chance some person near us suffers from a medical condition. Im sick and tired of this damn nanny state that has grown up because of the bloody PC brigade.

This may sound harse, if it does Im sorry, and yes before you ask I have seen many many people suffer from epilepsy including some very close friends.

So the solution is to make a game unplayable for all customers because your 5 year old son couldn't play it? There are plenty of games he could (actually should) play instead of IL2 CoD i guess.

I have no problem at all with making it optional, and I think that is how it should be done too. But as this is to comply with laws and government recommendations there may be some problem there unfortunately. Somehow all other Ubisoft titles have managed to do it without losing FPS... How about Assasins Creed : Brotherhood - that game has passed the same tests and has an average user score of 9.1 over at Gamespot now (released March 2011). They sure had to do some compromises to make it pass as there are a lot of gameplay involving going from dark rooms to sun bathing desert there... Hear a lot of people whining about how bad it looks and how it stutters all the time? Do you hear the devs blaming Ubisoft for making the implement the features that will make the game more friendly to people with these serious problems?

What you have proved is that Ubi has been screening games for epilepsy since 2008 (google is your friend, well done), what you haven't proven is your following comments,
"this is not Ubisofts fault, the dev's have screwed up, either that, or its an excuse for such a poor running game. Given the fact that they refused to show us any 'in game' footage despite repeated request from myself and others then it would appear that its a cover up for a poor running game. IMHO."
As I said you have no more idea than any of us whether this is a cover up as you put it, or if UBI dumped this on Maddox Games at the last moment, it's fine to have an opinion but you are turning people away from the game on assumptions.

Why don't we wait until it's released in the West and see how it is instead of digging for faults and problems, you say you want this game to succeed while doing everything in your power to see that it doesn't...IMHO

See my answer above.

I agree wholeheartedly. Currently it looks like the publisher put the producer at a situation in which the game might get crippled. If the release version is indeed like that, then we`re talking about crippling the sales aswell. The end-user cannot be blamed for not buying a broken game. 1C should really take legal means of cancelling the agreement with Ubi for the sake of the sales. I don`t know how others will react to this, but I`m not buying the game until I see an option to turn off the filter (a confi.ini line would be sufficent).

Saying that just from the info given by Luthier, I can only say that such a decision by Ubi is unacceptable.

Even it is has to be optional, it has to be implemented and the soft work with you, admitidly with an impact on perf, which should below; so it is still a question of implementation by the dev team.

Guys, lets wait to see Luthiers response to my thread, it could all be good if we can see the game running before the filter was added.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=19450

There is no draconian filter. All other titles from Ubisoft and Sony pass these tests and have to make corrections to comply with them, and the thing is that my son does not have epilepsy now. He had those problems his first year and the doctors think that he is now fine and that i MAY have been low vitamine B12 causing it - but they do not know. So should I let him play computer games or not, for the rest of his life? A woman at work had never had any problems with epilepsy and then bang, one day after experiencing a lot of stress and strong light she got a seizure, and IF you push beyond the limit, the brain gets kind of a snowball effect. Now she is on medication, probably for the rest of her life. So this screening is presumably just as much for me and you, as we don't know if we could get a seizure tomorrow. I have been playing computer games since 1981, but tomorrow with a lot of other factors I cound get it...

Anyway, I am all for making it optional - but the drama here with "this is all Ubisofts fault" was naturally just expected...

According to the article referred to by Tree, there IS NO legal requirement to implement such a filter. The only legal requirement in all this is:

"On the statutory safeguards, the General Product Safety Regulations 2005 make it compulsory for producers to place warnings and instructions on all consumer products, including video games."

Now this is for the UK, not sure what it will be for other countries. But we've all seen the warning label in the manual's of games, legally that is enough. Also remember that UBI VOLUNTARILY decided to implement "photosensitive epilepsy" screening policy according to that article.

I smell a rat.

I smell one too.

We're not talking about Assassins Creed. The fact of the matter is that this game IS experiencing issues with this filter. While it has good purpose, it isn't meshing well with the games code that was already set in place before this was ever implemented. Newer games that are implementing this feature build their code around it making it much more stable. This game has been in development for around 5-6 years and hasn't had the opportunity to do so. The only solutions I can think of are to patch the XXXX out of it and make it less of a handicap, or to make it completely optional. That is all I have to say about it. Not going to waste another keystroke about this today.

Look, buddy - I'm sorry for your son but I can't change it.
It's you job to teach him what he can or what he can't do.
Our society does actually care about disabled people, and does the best to make their life as comfortable as possible.

What you can't expect it the society to adapt to them.


Options: Nice to have.

Well said.

IL-2 CoD cannot be called a "combat flight simulator" anymore, it should be called "combat flight game" since they have now ripped the simulator part off, by ripping the realistic flashes etc. stuff that might cause epileptic shocks. Sorry epileptics, but guns make flashes, propellers whirl etc. Without them CoD isn't simulating reality, but a mystical world where these things don't exist.

Way to go Ubi. Let's put a knife in the eye of 99% of people to please the 1%. Some credit should also go to the crazy Ameerikan legal system for allowing ridiculous legal cases.

Will still buy the game, but NOT HAPPY about this. :evil:

-Untamo

Tree you do this stuff well, drop a few guesses disguised as legitimate info around and before you know it other people are quoting you as there source (sort of like wikki).

You all may be right about the conspiracy stuff but still, the game is not released yet in the West, wouldn't this be better if brought up when you know what you will get, all these comments are ensuring, is that a lot of people wont purchase this game, which will most likely see the end of any fixes we may have received, look at the state ROF was in when released, yet now it is a damn good flight sim, I just don't understand what anyone is hoping to achieve?

Obviously Tree, you would like someone from up high to tell you that you've been right all along, well that will be nice but at the end of the day all that will really be achieved is that we may never see another realistic WW2 FS again :mad:

Nice quote LOL

If this epilepsy filter causes slower frame rates for me when I get CoD and that makes me angry, and I end up hurting myself (e.g. by punching a wall) or someone else then I am absolutely going to SUE YOU UBI, thats right I am going to SUE YOU and BANKRUPT you UBI because of the harm your over the top anti-epilepsy filter does to my state of mind:evil:!!!

Actually I would much rather someone tell me Ive been wrong all along and have a great sim to fly. It would be no loss to me, im a man and can acceppt when i have got things wrong, i often do. Its not like i have to face you everyday is it?

Funny you brought it up, because the majority of Europe is nothing like the American legal system! I for ona am 90% sure that in my country a lawsuit in such case wouldn`t hold up. And Ubi is somehow assuming that it would lose every single case over a lack of such epilepsy filter.

Ok, after sleeping a bit I can take a more rational look into this.

My earlier comments still hold true: This type of blanket policy from Ubisoft is silly, there is virtually no chance of litigation anyway if the seizure risk is clearly announced in the product. Optional filter to reduce the thing would be laudable. There is also no way to safeguard against photosensitive epileptic seizures completely, so probably somewhere, at some time, will suffer a seizure anyway looking at the filtered game, so I don't know what protects Ubi from litigation there.

However, like some in this thread have pointed out, we have only heard the developer's version of the events so far. While I want to give them the benefit of doubt considering they are the ones with most intimate knowledge of their game, I would wait to hear back from Ubisoft as well on this issue.

I'm not cancelling my order, at least not at this point. I'm fairly confident that at some point the game will run smoothly on a modern PC. What I am more concerned of is that the anti-epileptic measures will disfigure the realistic graphics - things like propeller effects and the like, which tend to be flickery in real life (making them nonflickery and "epileptic-safe" would make them look worse). Even then, simply an option to switch that off to achieve better looking results would be preferred option.



Oh and by the way, games and videos don't cause the sensitivity to epileptic seizures. They simply act as a trigger for people who have that sensitivity. Blaming them for causing seizures is foolish, much like blaming peanuts for peanut allergy.

In fact, instead of screening games and video for their tendency to cause epileptic seizures, it would be better to screen people for their tendency to suffer photosensitive epileptic seizures. What better way to find out than expose them to situations that can trigger it - in safe environment rather than wait until they get a car and drive along a road with trees on the side and the sun shining from the side, flickering on and off between the trees, causing them to get an absentia seizure and veering to the opposite side of the road or hitting pedestrians or whatever?

Or, as one of my friends pointed out, if they're walking on the street, see an ambulance with flashing blue lights, collapse on the street and get run down by a truck?

There are much more dangerous spots to find out you're susceptible to photosensitive epileptic seizures than while playing a video game. In that light, the fixation to video games and their risks seems disproportionate.

Oh and much like epileptic seizures, oversensitivity to something like peanuts can develop sort of silently, and then when a person is exposed to peanuts, they go into anaphylactic shock and can die seemingly out of nowhere.

That doesn't mean removing peanuts from all products is necessary. It is a good reason to keep track on where peanuts are used, and mark not only products that contain peanuts, but those manufactured on lines where peanuts are also used. This is a standard in food industry, and it's sufficient for them to put a small label in food products that might have traces of peanuts.

So, if Ubisoft's policy really is a blanket statement to refuse releasing any games that fail some arbitrary epilepsy screening, I find that utterly ridiculous.

Waiting to hear back from Ubi via Ms.Kleaneasy, and hoping that a sensible solution can be achieved despite how unlikely it's looking just now.

Afaik there are other triggers as well.
What about Strobos? Every Disco has them.

:confused:

That's why it's called 'voluntary'. Ubi's choice and given then 2008 lawsuit I can understand why (short review here). If you want to publish with them you have to do it their way. Not to mention the public health angle.

Same for me and I unless I can buy a Steam free and filter free version of IL-2: CoD somewhere I will skip this one as well...

To bad UBI continue to act like morons, it affect us flightsim fans as well as 1CMaddox!

:mad:

/KC

My guess is it is probably down to poor communication on both sides and a late understanding that CoD wasn't going to pass Ubi's QA. You can imagine the awful moment of realisation! This was probably there since 2008 but no one from Ubi thought to make sure 1C understood it - hardly a late policy change or anything like that I think.

I haven't cancelled my steam pre-order yet. I am hoping that we will see some decent vids emerge from Russia over the next couple of days showing settings tweaks (disable this, modify that) that remove the game-stopping problems in the short term. Then optimisation patches should cure it properly over the coming months.

Anyway, the Australia release is April 1 (yeah, you US guys aren't feeling so bad about the delay now, huh?) so enough time to wait and see.

That's your decision to make until he is old enough to make this decision for himself. That's what all the parents do. People (children included) have all sort of disabilities and live with them. This forum is not the right place to ask for parenting advice.
It makes me sad to hear that your child has problems, but bringing this up again and again is pathetic.

Pathetic? Thanks for that.

Even if they are cutting down on them for the same reasons (government recommendations etc) I have 10 years of testing until that problem comes into play ;)

You should be ashamed with that statement, really you should.

Just posting this here as i havent noticed any mention of it.
http://www.mcvuk.com/features/808/OP...etail-vs-Steam

Also hasnt it also been mentioned that the code changes to IL2 CloD were irreversable. This means that the dev team will have to work extremely hard wit the restrictions going forward. I know a bit about software development, and when a developer says its irreversable, they mean it. You cant just add an option, cant just add it back in, its gone forever because to reintroduce it may break all other existing code, and cause a complete re-write.

We can only hope that FPS will be worked on, and the title will be salvageable with optimisations somehow in the form of patches.

+1. And anyway, mazex is right on topic - have you even read the thread title, MicroWave?

http://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/s...onfus/c020.gif

http://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/s...boese/a015.gif


I think I should check the turn signals of my car, I'm afraid the the could flash to fast...

Reality check: failed.
He's right.

Thank you for providing a rational overview of the situation. I would also like to see a sensible solution for this latest barrier to the new game.

You're welcome.
If you need more parenting tips use the PM.

Who is right?

Why is that?

The oven.

When I grew up, having a disability had an impact on the affected person, however, they could expect the rest to show some consideration.

In 21st century it seems having a disability has an even stronger affects on the rest and limits their life.

Is there truly a need to descend on personal level in this discussion?

I think the facts of the matter are quite sufficient to render anyone miserable without mixing in any interpersonal arguments.

Well, for some weird reason I brought a real world example into a thread that is about anti-epilepsy protection. I think that is on topic? I can only guess that swiss and micro have no kids - or at least they have not been staying at a hospital for months not knowing if you kid has serious brain damage... And in this case the example fits perfectly as this is what it is all about. Every time my kid play a game I do feel a bit anxious about if it could cause some problem that has been "sleeping" for years to wake up. And I will continue to have that anxiety for the rest of my life I guess. So when Ubisoft and many other publishers are forced to listen to lobbyists and government recommendations and that is mocked here I do feel a bit concerned...

And then being called pathetic just makes me little tiny bit disappointed...

True.

I think I will just relax and wait for the benchmarks to drop in.


Could take a moment to cool down though, meltdown was close...;)

And being disabled I don't find your comments insulting in the slightest.

Much as I sympathize with you, I can't help but point out that there's almost no common denominator between congenital epilepsy of a newborn child and photosensitive epileptic seizures triggered by a video game.

I don't expect people with serious sensitivity to visually triggered seizures to be able to play many video games at all, regardless of what measures are taken to prevent the induction seizures by the game. If they do play a video game while aware of the associated health issues, it becomes their responsibility (or their parents', in case of minor person).

I'm not trying to say that an epileptic person shouldn't or can't enjoy a gaming experience, as every person's brain is different. What I am saying is that handicapping the game because of a limited gain to a very limited demographics is both logically and economically senseless.

The demographic that would most benefit of this kind of thing are the people who have a dormant sensitivity to seizures, being unaware of it. In that case, sure, introducing anti-epileptic measures might postpone the manifestation of the problem or, with good luck, prevent it - but the sensitivity will be there, known or unknown, and some factor could activate it at a much worse time than while playing a video game.

Know thyself, as the Pythagorans are reputed to have said.

After all is said and done, the video game is no more culpable of the seizure than the person who's having it. Blaming the video game is a symptom of profound misunderstanding of the problem - games and videos can't trigger a seizure if the exposed person doesn't already have the sensitivity for it (either genetic or acquired*), and conversely no filtering can prevent seizures in people who are heavily sensitive to such a thing.

Like said before, I'd be completely fine with anti-epileptic measures, if it weren't for the alleged loss of performance and visual quality.

As it stands, though, it seems like a big loss for limited or no gain, and like has been pointed out in the thread, the stuttering and low FPS in general could possibly be even worse for people with PES... and sure as hell detrimental to the enjoyment factor for everyone who plays the game.


But, I'm going to adapt a wait and see approach. 34.90 euros isn't that big a money, and assuming the game will be patched into playable condition, it'll eventually be worth it.

I doubt my computer could run it very well at this point anyway, so the problem isn't critical for me especially, but I bet people with brand new SLI/Crossfire setups are going to be bummed beyond belief.


*by acquired I mean changes to brain as a result of physical injury, illness, narcotics or other factors such as a proton beam through head. Sensory stimulation alone can hardly account for the neural changes that are associated with epileptic symptoms.

Just read 28 pages

only thing I can say is why did they published the simulation if they knew that there is a problem, you can not convince me that they did not know it.
We waited so many years for it we could waited a motnh or two more.

I will get it that is for sure, only question is when?

28 pages, 95% waaaahmbulance rating, how many posting have actually laid hands on the game? Or even on vids that had full context (hardware and graphics setting) with them? And to cap it all some are even taking the piss out of people with epilepsy, or showing the kind of disregard that would be welcome in an einzatzgruppen clearing out homes for the handicapped 70 years ago.

This place disgusts me.

Get a frigging grip. If this is the biggest and most important thing in your life, then you'd be better off stepping under a train than waiting for it's release and patches.

We are all nerds and LOVIN' IT!:mrgreen:

Sure you can, just let it switched on by default.

That can't be the future that hardware demanding games have to struggle with such bullshit and that high end hardware (SLI, ...) even causes issues.
Laughable ...

P.S: Most people told ya that UBI sucks balls, but you go for it. Here's the cashback.

email sent to getgames asking for cancelling order.....it was meant to be a happy week....will see how the things will go......damn UBI...Oleg made a deal with the devil...

btw as I can see ppl are cancelling orders on mass....at least according to posts at UBI...and I think this time its not just pretending...I just hope UBI will not kill COD.....with their retarded decisions...

I cancelled my order, too.

No money from me to support this crap. Either get this XXXX optional or make it possible for people from other countries to get a version (1C?) which has this optional and has english language or no money from me and many others.

We will probably never know, but I can't keep wondering WHY was UBICrap chosen as a publisher, AGAIN?!

And more importantly - why did the development team agree on implementing this? We knew already that UBI is no good, but wasn't there a way out of this mess?

Provided that the first 2 could have not been different / better - why wasn't it delayed further?? This will only hurt sales and has a terrible chance to hurt the new series in the making.


Will post this in a separate thread.

That's gonna be sooo much fun for the stores who made their preorders based on customers preorders.

Too sad about the state of affairs to go back and check through the previous posts, but here it is again if so:

Kotaku reports on the issue.

http://kotaku.com/#!5785573/russian-...ummy-sturmovik

i havent order it yet.. but had planned to get it when released.. think i'll wait now. I can't say the graphics i've seen look that impressive, bit dissapointed.

Will await better feedback/reviews.

I edited the title of that thread after cooling off a little since last night. I want this to be fixed. I'm just frustrated and sad by it.

I have nothing against measures designed to help people, but this seems like mandating all dogs to be shaved bare because some people have allergies.

Or forcing only one person to ride an elevator at a time because some people are really overweight.

Or making all restaurants in the world never serve anything with peanuts because someone with a peanut allergy might order PEANUT SURPRISE by mistake.

Please please please make this an option that those of us who don't suffer from epilepsy aren't made to resent those who do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwOW8fnL5F0
It seems to be running smooth there, and it probably runs better when he's not recording.

It's not, he said it only looks fluent in the vid - in rl it somewhat hangs every 2 secs.

Maybe load the youtube video with a 56.6kbps modem and it will be more realistic? :P

WTF!

Make it clickable, so those of us willing to ride without a helmet can Dammit!!!

Put a dam warning label, and a splash screen in it, and get the thing released!

Manual will be provided in Braille only, too.
:evil:
Question: the russian version have this anti-epileptic feature optional, really? Can someone confirm this?

Actually this topic made me google "epileptisy test".

You'll get some funny results like this: WARNING NOT FOR EPILEPTICS

Not suited for drunks either... lol

How do I know if i'm epileptic?

What would happen watching this if I were?

You'd probably have to record yourself while watching it.
Ever heard of google?

It was more some kind of sick joke though. ;)

I wonder how many lawsuits have been filed against UBI in the decade since Il2 was first released?

Certainly the old 109 MK108 cannon flash [for those who remember the blinding wall of flame] would have triggered some poor soul to have a seizure... /jk

XXXX, better get cracking with a patch

Did you all notice that propellers are damn near INVISIBLE from inside the cockpit? When rpms change- they stay invisible- and that is completely irreversible due to epilepsy rules - quoting Ilya here.:(:-x

Biggest bummer. Those effects will never come back even with optimized framerate.

I am so p*ssed.

Nice vid, thanks for posting. PC spec please?

Read the thread. Or the YT comment.

In the UK if a TV programme or news report has flashing photography in it they give a verbal warning that it contains flash photography
Surely if they can broadcast live to millions all at once a sim/game is capable of issuing a warning so that anyone carrying on past the warning accepts responsibility of their own actions.