Ill check them out in a bit, Ill order them tonight though so thanks.

Blampers,glad you got your stuff,and you Roy your stick,i agree the sticks are big and \\blampers, i agree about the ch control software,if you find help please post it |:).glad you like the pedals,im toying betweem saitek combat and the ch,using a thrustmaster hostas x throttle for thw rudder and stuff cus the x52 pro throttle dont have a rocker swith for rudder,do the pedlas centre themselves and if not how do you know your rudder is centred without looking in the dial in cockpit
thanks, and both of you enjoy:)

All rudder pedals centre themselfs if you dont put pressure on them.
Rudder pedals give you more controle then the rocker switch on the Saitek X45.

+1 on that. Got a Combat stick and Pro throttle about a week ago. I've calibrated the controllers using Control Manager and saved a profile - but it's hard to get a handle on the other features - and with the possibility of using modes and writing scripts things can get out of hand pretty quickly.

Unfortunately it's a little difficult to grasp some of the concepts from the provided help. Need to go back to the Dummies pdf again myself.

Should be very powerful and configurable once I've mastered it though!

After over 8 years with CH gear I have never figured out the control software for it. A classic example of software by programmers for programmers.

Fortunately every thing I need for the sim can be configured in the game itself.

Still the CH hardware is the best out there. Bullet proof.

The rudders center themselves when you dont put pressure on one of them, plus there is a type of 'slot' feel when they are centered. the thing i'm noticing is i'm always slightly hitting the toe brakes on them (the rocking part of the pedal), but that's probably due to how I'm sitting at my desk.

I've gotten as far as you have with calibrating the controllers and saving that profile, or map. My problem comes when I assign, say, F and V for flaps up and flaps down with IL2. Save the profile, download it to my controler(s) and launch the game, those commands don't work. The other thing that confuses me is the direct mode, mapped mode buttons in the software. After I download my profile to the devices I can't seem to go back and edit them further as the buttons are all greyed out. I have to log out of windows and back in to get the software to recognize my button presses on the controllers again. I'm normally a pretty tech/software savvy guy but this software has me down on my knees right now lmao.
We're not even going to get into scripting at this point, although I've seen some nice examples of how it can be implemented. Right now I just want to get basic functionality out of my HOTAS so I can get used to it all.

I'm loving the feel of the hardware, but like you said that software is something else! Hopefully I can figure out how to get all my basic commands mapped at some point, as I'm having fits with it right now (see above).

I too struggled with that programming system, contacted CH tech support and they sent me a profile that I use. Everyone has a certain way of using the system.

lets start a CH programming club:)

we should, because i'm on day 2 and I haven't made a single bit of progress lmao. wow. :(

I'm uninstalling and reinstalling the software now, I don't know why but maybe it'll help. I'm getting no action from controllers inside IL2 now even though everything "works" in ch control manager.

i've never felt so computer stupid in my life haha

Update: When configuring for IL2, don't join all the controllers to act as one. I now have controls and buttons working. Now for mapping. :D

yes i made that mistake too:)

I remember playing IL2 with a keyboard for about 2 years!!!!! Completed the Campaign no problem, but online was tricky/impossible!!! :grin:

Bought the Cyborg Evo with force feedback in 2005 and haven't looked back since...although I do have an issue with the twist rudder when I'm on a Bf-109's tail and keep 'ruddering' left/right when I'm trying to engage. :mad:

But hopefully I'll get another 6 years service out of it.

I just cant believe how precise this joystick is,miles ahead from my previous joystick.I was concerned with the size of the stick but it actually fits my hand perfectly.The button layout is well thought out, I can reach any button with ease.I like the long throw of it because it allows for fine adjustments.The tension is rather weak but I got used to it almost instantly.My only "complaint" so far is that the buttons dont go down too much when pressed,I thinks that design allows for durability but I would have liked a little more movement from them, specially the trigger.Downloaded the CH manager but apart from calibrating, I havent used it for anything else.I knew I was not going to be dissapointed by CH , so Im still waiting for my CH Pedals and Throttle Quadrant, should be here by monday.Judging by my first impressions on the Combatstick, I know Im going to love the rest of the gear.:grin:

That's great to hear! I'm of course still waiting for my fighterstick heh. Flying with the pro throttle + pedals has greatly improved my whole experience by leaps and bounds. I'm shooting down more fighters than I ever have.

I'm going to have to jump into the control manager at some point, as after flying all today, I can see the need for multiple modes. Takeoff/landing, Combat, Cruising could all have their own settings on the same button = bliss.

If and when you jump into CH CM, I'd be interested to hear how you did. I'll probably mess with it over the weekend, but I'm almost certain it'll be like rocket science.

Ill try to fiddle with it tonight.Just in case you dont know , there is a lot of info on the official CH Forum, called the CH Hangar.Be sure to check it out if you need help.

Yeah, I've been slowly sifting through all of it. There is a LOT!

good you got your stick Roy,yes i agree quality sticks.

Do any of you know any other places to get IL2 maps for the ch hotas (fighterstick, pro throttle, pro pedals)? I've downloaded all the il2 maps from ch-hangar and am not impressed yet. Not to mention most of them are quite old now, and I haven't found any "IL-2 1946" maps

Main reason I'm looking for a "good" one is to have a nice template to teach myself how to create a fully featured/functional setup for my new controlers without having to completely blunder through it all :)

Edit: Finally found a decent command file that I made some minor alterations to. Working on my mapping now which might take a while. if anyone is interested in having a look just send me a PM...

Its now the 3rd working day after my online order of a full CH setup at simware.
The only action so far was a automatic reply after the order.
Then 2 working days nothing.
And the end of working day 2 i send i email asking if everything is ok with my order and what the status is of the stock.
The first half part of the 3rd working day is now over and still got no reply
:(

Thats odd.I ordered the rest of my gear from MarvGolden, one of the official CH Products dealers,and my order got shipped the day after purchase.

Here some pics for comparison.
http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/a...n/IMG_6315.jpg
http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/a...n/IMG_6317.jpg

And just the Combatstick
http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/a...n/IMG_6301.jpg
http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/a...n/IMG_6297.jpg

nice pics Roy

Ooh man its nice.
By the way why did you choose the combat stick and not the fighter stick?

I have to wait until probably next weekend until my CH gear arrives.
Its going to be a long long week.

The only difference between the two is more buttons/more functionality.The amount of buttons on the Combatstick is enough for me.Plus, I find it odd to have a hatswitch on the left side of the stick,where the thumb rests.The Combatstick has a big red button there ,which is great for firing cannons.My previous stick had a similar button there and it served the same function.So for me it looks better and cost less.Its a matter of opinion to be honest.By the way, thanks Snake.

I made a short video with both sticks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UgrKPETcuM

hows it going Roy?

I have only tested the stick with Wings of Prey,had a lot of fun though.I find myself forgetting about the dogfight and concentrating in just flying.Still waiting for the throttle quadrant and pedals.

lol i know what you mean re the just wanting to fly and get used to stick and some one comes and shoots you :).ive ordered the CH rudders now,out of stock early next week, throtlle next lol.let us know when you get your stuff.

Well I finally got my fighterstick today. Had originally ordered it on the 9th of feb, so it took waaay more time than I'm used to waiting.
I now have my full CH Hotas setup.

I only had an hour to mess around with the stick, but I'm happy with it so far. The movement is something that I'm going to have to get used to as far as the x/y axis being independent of each other compared to your "traditional" stick.
The other thing is it's huuuuge. My hand can't sit on the joystick hand rest at the bottom and my thumb reach to the top buttons without lifting my hand up slightly. Not TOO much of a problem considering what those keys are mapped to currently.

The response from the stick in IL2 compared to my old stick brings on a whole new level as far as flying goes. Where my old stick would make my plane bank/dive/climb at the slightest movement, this stick needs a bit more movement to get the same effect. After joy riding around getting a feel for the new stick, I completely smashed my landing gear and skidded to a halt on the runway when landing.

I guess I need more flight time with the new stick :-P

Dunno if this has been posted in this thread, but if still looking for more info on programmable HOTAS options:

http://www.simhq.com/_technology2/technology_094a.html

Nice to know that you like it.I got used to it right away,apart from the buttons movement,this stick is perfect for me.Just called UPS the rest of my gear should be here tomorrow.

Good read.

I still dont have my CH stuff.
I have to wait about 1 more week.
This friday it will be 2 full weeks ago that i ordered the CH setup. :(

Do you have at least a tracking number?

What tracking nr?
It has not even been send yet! hahahahaha

It took them 1 week to respond to my order.
If i did not call to chase them maybe longer.
Then it took them 3 days to figure out what the correct amount of payment should be.
And now one of the CH products is not on stock (or all the CH stuff i ordered? They did not give stock info at all) and is delaying the order to be send.

Wow,bad deal then.I bought my stuff from Marvgolden from the US and they were a pleasure to deal with.I sent an email regarding the shipping method and 5 mins later one of their employees actually called me to explain how it would be shipped and to clarify some stuff for me.Great customer service.

hi Blampars,glad your enjoying your gear,can you explain about how the trottle moves as in CH Pro Throttle is the only throttle that slides in a horizontal plane instead of rotating about an axis. so does it push/slide forward rather than move in an arc like the x52? thanks

Yeah, it slides forward and backward and doesn't arc. It's flat.
It's got a nice medium-light resistance to it when you move it. I like it, it feels good to me. But I have never had a throttle before this one so I can't speak of the comparison between it and the x-52 throttle exactly.

If you're coming from x52, it might be quite odd sensation compared to an arcing throttle but besides personal preference I dont see it being an issue in usability/functionality.

-b

thanks Blampers, thanks for confirming,no it wont be a problem im sure infact im looking forward to this different movent which i feel i will prefer. thanks again

Just got the rest of my gear so Im pretty excited!Im gonna test them and then share my impressions.:grin:

saweeeet! have fun :)

The quadrant and pedals are working great I really like them,but,quite oddly the buttons on the joystick are not recognized in-game.So I cant map the trigger and the other buttons.I need some help, I need to shoot at some airplanes!!

Youtube gear movie update!
Youtube gear movie update!
Youtube gear movie update!
:grin:

Roy, create a new map with Control Manager, make sure all devices have a device number. Use the control wizard button if you want, just make sure you dont link all your devices together as 1 device like i did. You wan't them to be seperate devices. Set your axis too with the drop down below the dx device menu.
Combatstick tab, mode 1, dx device drop down menu, CM Device 1.
Pro Pedals tab, mode 1, dx device drop down menu, CM Device 2.
Throttle tab, Mode 1, dx device drop down menu, CM Device 3.

Make sure all your buttons are checked with DX Mode by clicking the button on the controller or clicking the button on the picture of your device.

Save the map as whatever you want. Maybe DX_Control.map
Click the little download map button (8 button from the left) to download your dx control map to your controllers.

All your controllers and buttons on them should be recognized by the game at this point.. You should be able to assign a function in game to a button on your controller.

Try it out and get back to us. If you need more help PM me or something and we'll go from there.

To actually MAP your buttons to specific functions and use the multiple modes available, you're going to need to make a command file for the game you're playing. We can get into that later (its not that hard once you know how).

LMAO

Lol is that for me??
Gonna try that, I didnt quite understand everything you said but Ill give it a shot.

Once you take a look at the program and try to follow what I said you should be able to figure it out.
kinda brief and what not but I wanted to post before I left for work so I had to make it somewhat quick.

Hopefully it works for ya, lemme know.

Thanks for the help.I just woke up so I need to get out of this zombie mode first.I ll let you know.

Yes it is :cool:

It worked you saved my life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5lxR-vy7Dg

good to hear :-)

http://a.imageshack.us/img718/20/spit.jpg
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/i...,272318.0.html
http://spitfiresite.com/2010/04/spit...ct-review.html

Sokol1

Thats just too much Sokol,would be great for the RAF fans out there though.

So Roy how is the setup?
Like it? Or like it ALOT?

Is the rudder pedals to small or just fine?

I have to wait at least 10 days more for my order..... :mad:
The agony of waiting

I love the whole gear a lot,but he pedals are quite narrow, they are fine for me though I have no problem using them, but I can imagine a bigger than average guy having trouble trying to use them.The resistance is more than enough for me.Theres like a center detent so you know where to stop moving,The quadrant levers are great, my only complaint is the buttons,same with the combatstick,the buttons barely move when you press them down.But all in all I am very happy with the whole gear, and Im using the rudder a lot more than I thought I could.

That's awesome setup right there! What simulator is on the screen? Looks far better than IL2..

Do you find you have any trouble applying just a tiny bit of rudder due to the center detent? Sometimes when I only need a little bit of rudder I get way too much, as I try to get it out of that detent. Maybe I need to adjust my sensitivity settings.

I like the fact that the buttons barely move. They have "short" movements which makes it seems like there's less to press to achieve your desired function. Probably crazy talk, but I actually like the feel of the buttons.

He posted on the forum of Aces High.
So i assume its Aces high.
And no aces high does not look better then Il2

Aces high: http://www.hitechcreations.com/

hmm, must just be the screenshot then

so the throttle pulled towards you increases speed and away from you to decrease,lol when i 1st tried it thought it was faulty as ive always been used to push forward to increse,i know one can change it in game settings what do you guys prefer?
silly qoestion maybe but on the throttle cant fine buttons 13 16 17 and 18:)

You need to invert that axis.

13 and 16 are on the very bottom hat switch you use with your thumb
17 and 18 i dunno ;-)

thats weird Blampers,im getting 5 6 7 8 with that hat still cant find them :)

thanks Roy and i like the small movement of the buttons,i think youll get used to them.

i like the feel of the buttons too Blampars,re the rudder what were you using for rudder before and did you find you had more control with that?

have you made progress with the rudder yet.got mine coming so taking your lead :)

I hope to order the saitek combat pedals this week, first step in aquiring a warthog. Just got to think of an excuse for the wife, even then there is NO WAY im telling her the price, have started hiding a bit of cash each week already lol Im gonna need it :(

I was using the keyboard for rudder :P furiously slamming z,x or <,> depending on the situation haha

Look her dead in the eye, shrug and say, "it's my hobby babe"

Thats what I did when mine found out what i spent on my ch gear. And by god I think it actually worked! She was still pissed and all but oh well hehe.

The rudder pedals are very sensitive but Im not having any problems applying a small amount of force to make fine adjustments.Rudder pedals are very underrated in my humble opinion.

yes but if you tell her she might just not talk to you so you have more time to fly:):)

[QUOTE=blampars;228962]I was using the keyboard for rudder :P furiously slamming z,x or <,> depending on the situation haha



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well im sure youd rather not go back to the keyboard :)

good to hear Roy,am really looking forward to my 1st plug a pedals:)

in 1946 ver 4.09 cant get the trottle any lower than 10% but in the ultra pack installed version it has a syncronise setting for throttle and that lets me take it to 0%.any ideas how to get it to work in 4,09
thanks

the throttle buttons are nothing like on the website
 

http://206.170.119.13/novo/default.a...39&Lang=1&SID=

in windows control panel pressing the buttons they dont correspond at all to whats on the site,wth is going on? :)

dont use windows control panel, use ch control manager :)

I tried mapping the hotas controls to fly the helicopter in Bad Company 2 but got no luck.What should I do?

That heli is a PITA to fly, btw :P You got the vietnam expansion?

First thing you need to do is make a new profile in CH CM for bad company with the hotas gear you want to use. save it.

open up bad company, anything you need to fly it that requires the keyboard you need to assign it a keyboard command. write these down if you can't remember them.

In CH CM, create a new command file (CM Editor button) and start filling in those commands you wrote down. an example not related to heli's --
Flaps_UP f
Weapon_One enter

*** The only thing you should be actually typing is the command description, as in Weapon_One or Flaps_UP. After that tab over past that thin light grey line in the editor and right click -> record defenition
then perform your keyboard key presses for that command. It'll insert them next to your description for you.

once you've got all your commands in the command file go to the program settings tab on CH CM, look for the command file input box and assign your bad company command file to it

Now if you click Button 1 on your combat stick, which should be the fire button, do the following:
un-check DX Mode
input boxes appear
in the Press input box under "Normal Action", right click
Select Insert command
A new window comes up which reads from the command file you created earlier with all your bad company keyboard commands in it, you can now select a command to execute when you press your joystick button 1 (just double click it)

You can do this for all of your buttons, and even assign multiple modes and shift keys this way. Landing/Takeoff, Combat, Bombing -- you get the picture?

The things you'll want to leave in DX mode are most likely your joystick, pedals, throttle axis's as you wont want those assigned to keyboard commands so you get a full range of motion when flying.

Hope this helped some and is clear enough, took me quite a while to figure it all out hehe :)

EDIT: forgot to add that once you've got your profile just how you think you want it, save it. Once saved, you need to download it to your hotas using the download map button. Once it's downloaded everything *should* work in game.

thanks Blampars,thank goodness weve got you around;) I WAS UNSURE WETHER TO WAIT FOR THE PEDALS BEFORE LOADING THE CH MANAGER INCASE IT CONFUSED THINGS BUT SHOULD I GO AHEAD,THE PEDALS SHOULD BE HERE THIS WEEK BUT I GUESS IT WILL JUST ADD THEM? sorry just saw i had caps lock on,to ealy in morning to type it again:) your reply to Roy re BFbc2 is amazing,dont go anywhere please lol

You can go ahead and configure what you have now, and add another device later. That's what I did while I was waiting for my stick to come. There's a button that looks like a Joystick with a green plus sign, that's the add device button.

Thanks for the kind words ;)

That seems a bit more complicated,Ill do it tomorrow.Yes I have the Vietnam expansion and thats what I play the most.

It's not so much complicated as it is time consuming. It all sounds complicated until you do it and then it's a relatively easy process. It just takes time to think out your keyboard commands, then enter them all into the command file, and then figure out how you want that mapped to your controllers.

Worth it though, in the end if it's a game you play a lot of.

You use steam Blampars?

I think you should be able to configure your combatstick in Battlefield bad company 2 menu.
Did not try but the previus battlefield title: Battlefield 2 , i did configure a joystick to controle airplanes and heli's.

Maybe because you have 3 (or more?) usb game controlers connected: Ch combatstick, pedals , throttle quad.
And Battlefield can only detect 1 or 2 at most , you have a problem that you cant config your combat stick straight from the menu?

It doesnt work like that,I've tried.

yes, I love steam!
I've requested you as a friend.

My CH gear for IL2 is configured with the in game interface.

It was easy, which the CH Contol Monitor certainly is not, and I don't have another program running in the background.

The only problem with configuring it in game is you effectively limit yourself to 1 mode for your buttons, not to mention shift buttons which I find even more useful than modes. Granted there are a lot of buttons to use, but it's nice to have modes IMO.

CH Control Manager doesn't have to run in the background. When you download your map to your devices, you can close CH CM. The map is on/in your devices at that point.

If you decide at some point that you wanna experiment more with modes/shift keys and CH CM, I can give you my command file so you don't have to set one up yourself.

cheers,
-b

If I could anyone can...
 

I highly recommend to give this a try:

http://www.ch-hangar.com/files/Docs/..._Guide_III.pdf
Edit, if you have some problems with acrobat...
http://simhq.net/downloads/technology/CM_D3.zip

It is like always, if nothing works read the manual and here you have a quite good manual. You might think that what you have is enough; still there are plenty of possibilities still to be discovered.

If I could anyone can.

Salutes Majo.

absolutely love the pedals,so smooth after using either stick or throttle for rudder,:)

I ordered my saitek combat rudders last night, hopefully get them this week if they have in stock. It says on the stores site that they do but i have been bitten to many times to bekieve them. Now to start some serious saving for a warthog to go with them.
After reading the reviews im more than ever aware now of the slack and difficulty aiming with my x52, even though i have various things, bits of cd, matchsticks ect, stuffed in to try and stiffen the tension.

Cheers

lol Sauf, i found that with the x52,hope you get your peds quickly

Could you please make a little "review" of them. I'm also thinking of buying them but there seem to be no reviews in the internet yet.
Thx in advance

Np mate, i found the same problem, will post thoughts when i get them.

this
turns the mini stick into basically a two way rotary. you need to set a decent sized dead band as the mini sticks are notoriously bad at centering but this is just as responsive as my old x45s rotaries. the other thing you need to do is unmap the ministick completely (dx axis = none) then go into the cms controls tab and set cms 1 and cms 2 as cm device1 axis', mine are set to U and V axis.

everyone always complains about the rotaries, well, the above gives you rotaries.

thanks for that but i dont understand where all that goes?

why do this when you can create one logical controller?

you can combine the stick, throttle, and pedals all into CM device 1. Doing this allows the mode functionality to really shine too as it triples your options.

I did it this way as combining all the devices as one controller didn't work for me for whatever reason.
Ill have to play around with that option a bit more. One question though, when using that feature would I still be able to be in mode 1 on throttle and mode 2 on stick if I choose? Or is it one mode for all devices since its using them all as one device?

I'm no pro with ch cm... I was just posting what I found worked for me after hours of wtf moments heh.

control manager doesnt 'run in the background' per se. you use the control manager to literally program functions onto the stick.

as an example. ch managers uses 3 files. name.map, name.cmc, and name.cms

lets use cod as an example. when you click on the map wizard you then select your controls, combine all the controllers into one logical device, 8 axis/32 buttons, add script functionality, then click finish.

now you have a raw un programmed device with 8 axis and 32 buttons (more if you have the fighter stick i have the combat).

now on this raw map click on the program settings ta and on the lower right hand side where it says command file in that box type in il2cod or whatever.

now click on the CM editor at the top of the toolbar. click on the command file (cmc) tab. in here you can map any in game function you want. here, i'll use IL2 46 as an example. this is my cmc file from il2
now you'll notice on the left side the name of the in game function. on the right side is the default key map for that function.

all you need to do now is go to the control tab you, click the button you want to assign a function to, uncheck dx mode, and copy paste the function into the box.

example, i want to map the Weapon_1 function. i click combat stick, click the trigger (button 1), uncheck dx mode, and copy/paste Weapon_1 into the top "Press" box. You'll notice the sifted action box below which i could map anything to as well if i wanted. I use the pinky stick button as a global shift button which doubles every button in my logical device for any given mode.

once you have all your functions mapped you then click the download button on the toolbar and this programs your controller. so where the trigger defaults to DX button 1, once you program the stick trigger is now the enter key.

the cmc file also allows for basic macros. here is one from my ww2ol cmc file
what that does is first hits the secondary fire button 'b' then it hits the toggle weapon button to switch to the wing sc50 bombs 'BKSPC' and then hits the secondary fire button 4 more times. it does all that with a single key press.

I then copy/paste Stuka_Nuke into the "shifted action" thumb button on my combat stick and i have a single button macro to release all bombs on m stuka.

this may sound confusing but i promise you it is much easier to manage all your maps this way. as it makes mapping large complex configs much easier especially when you get into different mode states. again using ww2ol as an example i have mode one set for fighters and jabo. mode 2 for multi engine bombers, and mode 3 for tanks/ground etc. i can change entire function sets on the fly just by mode switching and if i want to change a function while i am in game for some reason i can just remap the function and redownload the map and it updates on the fly. no need to log out of game or back to the lobby.

www.ch-hangar.com is a great resource. lots of friendly folks in those forums. the mini stick rotary trim function i found there many moons ago and there are a ton of other great scripts already written.

when they're all combined the mode is global afaik. however, i'm not sure why you would want different mode states.

if you can detail why you like/want/prefer alternate mode states i may be able to figure out a better solution using the global modes. keep in mind you get 3 modes, and each mode can have unique shifted states per key via the pinky button.

a note on modes is mode 2 and 3 inherit mode 1's function unless otherwise stated.

lets use the trigger button one as an example.

if you have Weapon_1 in the "Press" normal action box and you want Weapon_1 also in mode 2 and 3 then you don't need to specify anything in mode 2 and 3.

however, if you want mode 2 to have some other function, but you want mode 3 to have Weapon_1 then you have to specify that in each mdoe box.

if you want mode 1 and 2 to have the same function, but mode 3 to ahve a different function then you only need to change mode 3 as mode 2 will inherit mode 1's function.

the same goes for the shifted state btw ;).

Its all down to personal preference but in my opinion leaving the devices separate is the way forward. Combining the devices limits you to what DirectX will support and thats 8 axis and 32 buttons. When separate you get three devices with all their axis and buttons at your disposal. You can take things even further should you want to and use a little CMS script as I did in one of my IL-2 profiles that swapped the X and Y axis from my stick to my yoke and back again at the touch of a button if I wanted to change and fly bombers instead of fighters without having to remap controls in IL-2 options or leave the sim to load a new profile.

Whatever mode you are in on the stick is the same mode the other devices will be in. The LED light will cycle when you press the mode button on the stick but will not cycle the lights on the throttle as they are not linked in any way. In fact even if you press the mode button on the stick the LED will still cycle as its hard wired to do so.

You're limited to 32 buttons and 8 axis for one Direct X device whatever CH Controller you have, its Direct X that limits that not the hardware or the Control Manager software. Thanks for the plug :) there are a number of existing IL-2 profiles and .cmc files available for download there as well as many other WWII sims.

thanks guys,thats a lot to think about and try shall get a good nights sleep 1st then see how it goes :)

lol, Q="Whats the first thing you will do in COD?"

A= "Spend 4 days trying to to set up my friggin hotas"

LOL Yeah it would be nice if developers could release a key chart just a week or so before release to give us time to prepare :)

LOL +10 on this one :)

Don't have a specific reason why I want that, I'm just trying to wrap my head around how it all works with the different options available in setting up the CH hotas :)

does it limit even if not using DX buttons? i have never had the fighter stick and the combo with combat stick is exactly 32 buttons.